Windows 10

That's the sad reality for all our connectedness we forget there is such a word "Offline" "Off the Grid"...I rather have my complete O/S with my laptop on the go and use whenever/wherever not having to be tied down to where is the next wifi so I can connect to use my O/S. That is about stone age thinking as stone age. Laptop was made to be portable not your movement restricted to where they want you to be to just be able to use your laptop. And I can choose when I want to connect to wifi or not and just work on my computer and their docs using my Office 2013 right on my laptop and not have to wait to connect to Office 365 to just use it or Google Docs when I can access and save on the go without worrying whom else online has access to my documents when I am disconnected from them. Remember this day and age your docs and online presence is their selling point...and tracking...but then again...this is me...

 

Yeah. No further comment...

 

More like Alpha to me.

I heard phrase @Windows as a Service@ from at least 2 speakers, including CEO herself. But if it will be Free forever then I totally like it.

 

Dont worry guys .. once will be 10 up it will show up in store .. and will auto prompt..
like 8.1 keeps madden with all the time .. .grr goin on my nerves.. (am on 8)

 

So...

1. Image current install, upgrade to 10 for free, image that. Restore previous image and wait for bugs to be worked out and drivers to show up. Restore 10, update, patch, etc.
2. ???
3. Profit?

 

I just hope, for the free offer, that I can clean install Windows 10 instead of having to do an in-place upgrade from 7/8.1.

 

As Octiceps pointed out, I wonder where that leaves us with a fresh install, which I tend to do every so often. Especially after replacing a hard drive or other 'upgrades'

Personally I always do a fresh install rather then taking the upgrade path.

Also curious where this leaves business users, or is the home edition free, and the professional a charge?

 

I doubt it. I'm sure you will have to pay to do a clean install, just upgrade is free.

 

Well that would be a first, as upgrade edition of previous versions of Windows allow clean install.

 

Actually, I wonder if the opposite is feasible: The setup of my main work machines involves a huge amount of work, so I am really interested in whether an in-place upgrade from Windows 7 will be feasible, saving me literally several days of work.

Frankly, I don't give much purchase to these ideas floating around on the superiority of "fresh" installs, certainly not for a working Windows system. At least I don't see any "rot" in any of my systems over time. But of course, upgrading such a system to a new version of the OS is a different matter entirely, and I remember one case where I tried to "upgrade" a Windows 7 system to Windows 8 that failed completely. So the idea of upgrading my main machine to Windows 10 may be nothing but a nice dream.

 

It depends on how smoothly the upgrade happens. If any software or configuration left over from the old install doesn't work very well in the new environment, such an issue would be extremely hard to troubleshot. With a clean new install at least you have a working base to play with, and incremental backups for going back if you need it.

 

Upgrade, get Win10 Key by ProduKey, revert back.

 

We won't know for sure until that day arrives. We thought we had to upgrade from within W8 to W8.1 and later someone posted a generic Windows 8.1 installation key. Hopefully MS will allow for the use of legit W7/8/8.1 keys to do a clean install.

 

No such keys exists....that will allow you to post generic Windows 8.1 Product Keys-if so expect to be a blacklist Product Key when it contacts Microsoft to be validated. As the second part that isn't going to happen and that is koolaid "Hopeful". Product Key belongs to that O/S and there is "no, if and, or but about it". Otherwise why would users and corporation buy Windows O/S so let's be realistic here. For all my disgust with Windows 8 Microsoft has to make money to create the Windows O/S for us to use and install. Actually HTWingNut is correct they will give free upgrade to Windows 8 to 8.1 because of their own debacle on it but not for Windows 10 you will most likely pay a upgrade free or full retail price for a full blown Windows 10 O/S. Of which I might get when it comes out and give it a full run down test using my Windows 7 drivers to test if Windows 10 will really be able to run Windows 7 drivers if this works then I will be happy to use Windows 10.

 

One of their slides in that part of their presentation showed a direct upgrade from Win7 to Win10 in the same manner that you can do a direct upgrade from Win 8.x to Win10.

 

We're not talking about the same key. :hi2:

The generic Windows 8.1 installation key is not for activation. It is merely used for the clean install setup of Windows 8.1 if you already own Windows 8.

Once installed you need to clear the key and activate with a legit PK.

 

Couple russian techsites wrote that MS confirmed no annual fee for Win10 and 1 year as a period of promo action Get Win10 for Free while you can.
No proof link were given though.

 

THAT actually will be paid then.. this update is like on phones so shouldn't be charged.. soon or later windows 11,12,13 etc will be completely free..
it is stupid pay for OS ...
but to be honest there is no any difference btw update and full DVD or whole windows..
you can do update in future and then u just restore /erase laptop in settings , general , ''remove everything and reinstall win.. and ull have nice fresh win 10 ..

 

Guys ..
There wont be any keys anymore.. bcos I heard that they gonna do it differently ..
I don't even remember when I used key last time..
Nowadays all info is in BIOS.. you can download any particular windows copy from everywhere (8,8.1,10) anywhere and install it and if your laptop comes with 8 or 8.1 microsoft will check it after you connect first time to internet and will activate win 8 or 8.1
Depends which win version your laptop came with..
Mine Aspire V7 comes with win 8 (not pro) so it will install only win 8 and do update for free win 8.1 or 10 but NOT pro ..
BUT mine Iconia tablet comes with Win 8 pro so it will allow me to update to 8.1 pro or 10 pro..

And I have JUST one copy of windows 8 and 8.1 in one USB 3.0 flash drive (UEFI) and that installer auto detects which version will install by checking BIOS ... it is actually clever.. no any keys anymore..

 

That's all good if you buy your system pre-made but there are many who still prefer to build their own PC gaming rigs myself included. So it'll be interesting to see how they handle those system builds.

And so far, how they will handle PK's or activation is all speculation.

 

That is for owners of the previous O/S will get a limited 1 year from RTM to update from Windows 7, 8, 8.1 to Windows 10 is what they are saying. Also your missing something as well people might have Retail Windows 8, 8.1 installed on a Windows 7 machine so your own conclusion has lots of holes in it right now. BIOS UEFI was only in pre-installed Windows 8, 8.1 machine so if you don't have those you won't have UEFI Product Key. And also your Product Key is for one O/S version you don't get to get a upgrade even if you install a Windows 8 Pro on a pre-installed Windows 8 Premium will not work because your Product Key is for Premium not Pro version of the O/S. So let's be clear here so others don't think you can install a different version of O/S and expect to upgrade with the same O/S of higher level O/S will not work. Those require two different Product Keys....ie Premium for Premium not Premium to Pro....not possible unless you pay to get that Pro Product Key.

Not sure where you been but W8 has a Product Key in the UEFI for premade laptop. So your no any keys anymore was just popped for pre-made Windows 8, 8.1 machines. And if you buy a Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 retail you get a Product Key with those so where are you getting your info that there is no more Product Key? Your doing some wishful thinking there.

 

it's a free upgrade in the first year of release so i hope they come out with compatible drivers

 

Considering the kernel is still NT6, you won't have to worry about drivers and app compatibility for the most part. Bet even Vista drivers and software will work LOL.

 

Well we are talking on notebook site ar we ;-)

 

If true that would be a heaven saver...since some laptop only had up to Vista drivers from those dinosaurs....lol... if true I be happy to get a full version of WinX or WinX Sp1... ackkk... that would be much easier to do my own custom install and not worry about having to install Windows 7 then install WinX over it and hopefully didn't incur any Windows wrath in the process of the upgrade or upgrade horror stories.

 

Man u just said again what I did in my prev. post...
Mate I must disagree..
I purchased laptop and I NEVER seen my product key.. It isnt even under laptops anymore didn't you realize?
In past sticker with key was under ..times changed man
unless
I force it with softwares..
Just simple you dont need any key anymore..
When u go to store and buy windows that is different story.. we NOT talking about retail right now!
And I STRONGLY disagree u gonna run in store to get windows haha

 

I think what Galaxy means:

The average consumer never buy the OS standalone. They buy the system that typically comes with an OS anyways.
If they want a new OS, they just buy a new system.

Also, who runs to a store and get Windows nowadays?
In the age of digital download and "free" shipping.

 

Me too and update all drivers from 2006 ect thats in Device manager.

Win 10 from what I have read will be released later in 2015 and free for Win 7 and 8 for 1 yr.

Cheers
3Fees

 

Based on? Yeah your assuming they have money every year to buy a new O/S...which is NOT. They upgrade because it gives a better performance and better integrates with their existing hardware. Put this way I installed Windows 7x64 Ult Sp1 on a Dell 1525 and it runs like new...so I don't fit your mold....maybe you have money to spend but I buy a new O/S knowing I can mixed it with my hardware and drivers and still work. Saving more money then what your doing.

You'll be surprised...they still do. I like to have a hard copy not digital downloads. So not sure where your getting your numbers but it's not all just digital downloads.

 

Couldn't disagree more....Product Key is in Windows 8 is in the UEFI .... you don't get Windows to work without Microsoft Product Key...FACT...retail or online...buy a Online WIndows 8, 8.1 you will get a Product Key...to go with it you don't get Windows for Free just case you bought it. If you haven't read Windows 8 Product Key is in the UEFI when you buy premade laptop or desktop. They aren't going to just give Windows because you bought it you buy their License agreement and that comes with a Product Key. Why do you think so many people wanting to Install Windows 7 on Win8 machine have to disable UEFI bios cause it will block you from installing because of the Product Key in the UEFI must be change to Legacy BIOS to install Windows 7 to work.

 

Simply bcos of money MAN .. microsoft DONT want to ppl use old windowses.. so they SIMPLY don't make support for old windowses ..
Just get it.. they stopped to support Win 7 couple days ago..
Am not saying there ISNT key .. there IS but in win 8/8.1 is all automated..
And I SAID that microsoft wants stop use key in future so maybe in Win 10 .. they want to do it differently ..
And I SAID yes if I force obtain key ill get it with software key checker.. but I dont need to do it why i would do it .. i have other MORE serious things to do man..
I NEVER purchased ANY OS in my life bcos am not stupid.. it normally comes with laptop JOB DONE .. no care ..
Do u go and buy OS for smartphone ? NO so .. just leave it.. Simple as that..
And stupid ppl can go and buy windows in stores for stupid money.. it is their problem.. bcos they have no idea they can have it for free ......

 

Huh...no. The extended support doesn't end until January of 2020. And it's not like they've been rolling out service packs for W7 left and right prior to the end of "mainstream" support anyway.

To quote from an Al Stewart song: "Nothing that's real is ever for free and you just have to pay for it sometime." One way or another.

 

There is a program which can read out the win 8 product key from the bios, than you will be able to use and activate your windows 10.

 

Strange thing is when I had win 10 installed technical preview.. downl. from official microsoft site there is key .. but when i installed it and connected to the internet win 10 was auto activated i just didn't use any key.. and it was clean install ISO.. weird

 

installed on win tablet and my backup machine

Tablet- too unpolished even compare to win8.1, I like some of the minor improvement but not worth it now. and seem to me all the store app are broke?

back up machine- Actually not bad, but since it is a backup machine, I wouldn't bother to set-up everything again.~

 

Exactly
No switching btw Intel HD 4400 and GT 750 when launched games.. even when selected in all kinds of possible settings..
I had to revert back .. to Win 8 .. even 8.1 is bad ..

 

That's technical preview, maybe that's why?L Try to do the same in 2016-th year, lets bet it won't be activated then?

OK, lets go back to actual theme of this topic and stop speculating about key-less OS which is nonsense to me. Lets talk about January Tech Preview Build.
I update it from 987X buid and have to say... THAT IT SUCKS!
No. IT SUCKS! I MEAN IT!

Some of you told me that being mad on a peace of software which is not even beta is stupid... Well now I believe Beta stage is out and it sucks twice more!

There is no Search panel in Start Panel (aka Start Screen)! I can disable Search icon/Search bar in Taskbar but I still don't have it in the Start Sreen! They gave us Start Menu back... AND THEN JUST TOOK IT AWAY... AGAIN! Now it is same METRO screen just minimized. 100% METRO from Windows 8!
I mean it. You wanted a good old Start Menu but now you have BOLD SQUARE half size of your screen! Really, I have FHD Monitor and it takes 1/3 of it! Imagine 900p monitors and less.
You thought you could click on All Programs in StartMenu and see your programs? Now if you clock there you will see your APPS GROUPED BY Alphabet order! Not joking! Grouped meaning there is a letter above all apps which start on this letter!

Windows 10 is doomed.
I obviously will get free key on in just in case but I predict that it is DOOMED.

P.S. I will add video soon.

 

Really? I saw youtube video of W10 start menu. There seems to be some kind of folder hiearchy when "all apps" is clicked. Looked to me just like W7 start menu with Metro tacked on the side...

The problem with W10 isn't the start menu, but what Metro is really good for. Maybe to get a live update on your inbox, but any other useful purpose beside that?

EDIT: Just saw a Youtube vid of Jan 2015 insider build. I thought Win 8.1 was bad, this new fangled start menu looked like it sucked even more... Really, alphabetical order. Now I get why MS is so keen on offering W10 free to 7/8 users...

 

P.S. I tried to delete half of every bad word in audio channel but still don't suggest kids to watch it.

 

^^^^^^^^

Getting "this video is unavailable" regardless of the browser I try to open the page in...am I doing something wrong or...?

 

Sorry, I had to mention it is uploading. Will be finished in 35 minutes.

 

Is your voice in it? Will you be speaking with a Russian accent?

 

1:36 here over an hour since you posted 35 minutes to upload but still not available?

 

thnx god i dind't try out .. ufff thnx for info..

EDIT : guys if u want great free programs for windows 8 /8.1 (maybe win 10 prev. too)

Try this page : https://ninite.com/

You will find there ''classic start menu'' (under utilities) for win 8 / 8.1 and guys who has win 10 installed on, try install that classic start menu too wanna see what happens

 

Well...

I've unistalled Windows 10 for 3rd time. I know it's a tech preview but it wouldn't work with my printer, the Intel drivers stopped working and it wouldn't detect the integrated card. Not to mention it didn't like working with my external Dell monitor nor would any games work on Steam.

And if that wasn't bad enough....don't get me started about that taskbar! What a mess.

 

My voice but I'm not russian, why would I have russian accent?

I blame Youtube. It uploaded in time but took much for processing.
P.S. I tried to delete half of every bad word in audio channel but still don't suggest kids to watch it.

Windows 10 JTP crashes my browser anytime I press Ctrl+F because of browser extention Findbar tweak. MS, REALLY?

 

Hmm, interesting. Can anyone confirm that Microsoft has once again managed to eff up the Start Menu even more?
- Transparency: The Brief had some screen shots that had transparency in both the Start Menu and the Task Bar. Is this really gone now?
- Customizable folder structure in the Start Menu: Is the inane alphabetic order that James shows in his video really all there is?
- Resizing: There were demonstrations on how the Start Menu used to be resizeable quite flexibly, potentially even getting rid of those tiles altogether. Is this not possible anymore?

 

Among others, transparency is one of the features they showed on the briefing not yet implemented in Windows 10.

It is said to be coming in future builds. As well as more additions to the start menu - it won´t stay in its current state for long: January build now available to the Windows Insider Program

 

Alright, thanks. Let's see what they come up with in the final previews/RCs.

 

Of course they say because they want to find out how many complaints they will get this time. That's how they work, they continue pushing us a little bit adding some sugar cubes one by one until there will be an "acceptable" amount of Win7 design lovers they can ignore.

Because they already gave us resizing and transparent taskbar and why would they take it away?

Among others here is funny bug about Windows defender. I unchecked the checkbox "Use Windows Defender". Now when I tried to launch it and enable again... it simply gives me notification that I disabled it and need to get a thirdparty Antivirus! What, we now can use it until disable it once and won't be able to turn it on? RLY?