Windows 10

I'd say search was/is, on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the best, as follows:
Vista: 5/10 - a decent start, but very basic with too many things unsearchable
7: 8/10 - much improved, nearly everything searchable but default result priorities sometimes oddly skewed
8: 4/10 - introduces the need to sort through 3 different results lists and type counter-intuitively without a prompt
8.1: 6/10 - unified result list, but many confusing duplicate results and still unintuitive typing without a prompt

Windows 10 promises to include internet search with machine search. Done properly, this could be useful for looking up info in a concise manner, which would count as an improvement. Done improperly, it could be as big a mess as search in Ubuntu, which seems at times to be half actual programs and half ads from Amazon.

 

Up to Windows 7 it seems all was done to make the best possible enterprise OS version and then variants were offered with feature sets to bring it to the private home user. This had worked well as a model for the consumer and the company. Starting with Windows 8 this model changed.

Now they have designed the UI to mimic that of a consumer device and are trying to spread this in the UI up to the enterprise level. As we have seen with Windows 8.0, and subsequent 8.1, this model is not working. IMHO this is the major reason Windows 10 may fail as well. To succeed as a PC UI they need to get back to the formula that works, design it at the top end for productivity and work, then make the more casual components available (and optional) to consumers. Amazingly this closely describes the Windows 8 beta, except the optional part.

 

Way to move the goalposts! I explicitly said I was buying a new machine for gaming and general purpose use in my household, and you said this would be useless for that.

But as long as you ask, the new four-way snap and task view strike me as big improvements for my particular industry. Every industry is different. And Win10 will offer support for many years after Win7, while still offering a KB&M-centric user experience, and that's going to be enough for a lot of enterprise going forward. The UI tweaks, as welcome as they'll be for some, are just gravy in comparison.

Besides being able to launch the software you need to use, everything an OS does is a "nice to have" instead of a "must have," if you want to look at it that way. Including the features you personally really like, such as jump lists and nested folders in the start menu.

Every reason I prefer Win7 over WinXP is also a "nice to have" instead of a "must have" (except for end-of-support). Setting aside the support issue, I could get through my workday with XP, and I could run a home PC on XP, even though I'd miss the start menu search, taskbar pins, snap, etc. So is Win7 completely useless and no better than WinXP by your reasoning? None of those things are "must haves." They're all "nice to haves."

You call this "flat out pathetic" because you're being overly dramatic. A similar overall experience to Win7 with some new features that other people like me want but that you don't want, isn't what I'd call "flat out pathetic."

I don't know what you need it for. I can tell you what I need it for. In my work, I routinely have a dozen or so images open (images of a car crash or property at issue in a particular case), and the names are often so similar that the names on the task bar tabs don't tell me much at all. Being able to pull up thumbnails of all open windows with a tap would help me more quickly navigate between documents in such circumstances. Anyone who has ever used Expose or Mission Control in OSX does something similar as their primary method of multi-window management, and it's been that way for about a decade. You personally may not like the system, but clearly, some people do.

Of course it's an incremental improvement! Anything that's not a complete paradigm shift is an incremental improvement. You were saying Win10 is useless, now you're admitting that it includes "incremental improvements." Congrats, that's what a new version of an OS is supposed to do.

 

Don't jump to conclusions based on pictures. Windows 7 looks a lot like Windows Vista. Windows 2000 looks a lot like Windows ME.

Besides, we haven't seen the final product yet.

 

Call it Windows 11, one better than OS X! Honestly, I'll just wait for a public preview and make my decision then. But then again, The start menu was on the Win 8 preview and it magically disappeared in the final product, so whatever.

 

I don't recall that. I know Aero glass was, but I think Start screen was there right at the start.

 

What things were unsearchable?

You're dropping context here. The announcement yesterday was hailed as specifically being for enterprise users. This was supposed to demonstrate the huge changes coming in Windows 10, allegedly necessitating the jump by two version numbers. This release was supposed to be "huge" for enterprise.

Fair enough. Then let's just say that the difference is, Windows 7 did have new features (of the taskbar, for example), whereas Windows 10 only offers slight tweaks of features we already had. So, Task View is really no different from Flip-3D, other than a different arrangement of the graphics.

Dropping context again. It was Microsoft who declared that this release was "huge". I'm just holding them to their word, and compared to that, this appears pathetic. Period.

So, what's the advantage over either Flip-3D, or, even more straightforward, the taskbar preview?

Ahh, but you left out I said that you can find incremental improvements if you put the best possible spin on things. Without the spin, there's nothing. And we still have the stuff that Microsoft had dropped from Windows 7.

In fairness, it's quite possible that there will be things that are worthwhile in Windows 10. My main point is, Microsoft has not shown any such features. So, once again, compared to the fanfare with which they have announced this "huge" release, the content of their presentation fell far, far short of what we should have expected.

 

I'm not, I just do not believe they have changed their ways. As I said they will have to prove it to me, their actions of the last two incremental changes (where they were listening then too) have proven otherwise.

So as to clarify, 8.0 was in beta and they refused to listen to the customer base. Then with 8.1 they were supposed to now be listening and look what we got, metro improvements!

 

As I recall, the preview versions still included the code for the Start Menu, and you could enable it with a registry tweak. I know for certain that this was the case for the first preview, but I'm pretty sure it was also the case for the second.

 

System settings, primarily. Since Vista, settings have been obscured, so it's much easier to type them into search then follow the multi-step graphic process to access them. This is possible in Windows 7, but not with Vista, for the settings I wanted to access.

 

Ah, got you now. Thanks.

 

I think old Start menu was one of the ugliest features of Windows. It always confused me. So did all those numerous cascading drop-out panels on Mac OS classic back in the day. I really like Windows 8.1 UI, it's great. Now, if Windows had decent console tools built-in like Linux, it would be perfect OS.

 

Cygwin + Classic Shell = I don't have to use Linux

Also for me, Windows 8(.1) has a much better file explorer and overall snappier performance than 7.

 

This hold me off from going back to 7 ~ either downgrading or upgrading due to a weird bug. Did enough annoyance fixing myself that it starts to bother me.

Windows 8.1 gradually slows down after hours. Speed returns normal if restart "explorer.exe".
windows 8.1 slows down over time

 

Great here we go again...snappier performance then 7...this is so subjective to beating a dead horse more...you will never notice the difference with the naked human eye..ok...same hardware with either O/S and performance is a dead heat...and Better is not always better.....

I think your confusing Metro with the Start Menu of previous Windows. Look like another minority again...trying to convince when the convincing is already falling behind Windows 7 adoption. I also note your signature doesn't indicate what O/S you run on your laptop how convenient do you think someone that touts Metro doesn't list it on their laptop what O/S they use. That to me signals some that talks but won't list it.

O/S????

 

The Technical preview is available for download NOW!

Windows Technical Preview - Microsoft Windows

Sign in with your MS account> agrree>download

 

Very tempting to try it out .
Question is, which will be the unlucky device to do so, my laptop or my tablet?

 

Downloading..... Let's se how the Lenovo Edge 13 NeoX2 can handle this

 

I don't like virtual machines. I might do a partition though. That's what I did back with Windows 8 previews.

 

Sounds like a reason to roll out a Hyper-V VM.

 

Lol, I just used UniversalUsbInstaller chose W8.. Installed and are Running w10 now..
W8.2?

 

Time to put my spare Samsung 840 120gb ssd to use.

 

I said I wanted a new desktop PC for my home, and I wanted this OS on it. You said Win10 was no better than Win7 for that usage. So I told you why I wanted Win10 over Win7 for that usage. That's what my list was about. Why I wanted this OS.

KB&M-oriented UI could be a "huge" departure from Windows 8 for people who feel that Win8 isn't KB&M-friendly.

"Huge" is no more of an objectively-quantifiable term than "pathetic" is. You keep stating that this is "pathetic," like that's objectively verifiable. It's not. It's all just fluff language, just like "huge" is. Opposite sides of the same coin.

Taskbar preview is one-program at a time, not all open windows. Flip 3D is a card stack, not everything laid out on a table. So unless the left margin of the window you want is distinctive, it's not as useful as Task View.

Microsoft didn't show the full list of features. They specifically said they've only shown about 10% of the new features. Yesterday was not to show all the new features, but to show how it's a KB&M-first, desktop-first experience, how the new start menu works, how continuum works, and how a few select new features work. I personally like the total look and feel from a KB&M perspective, and I thought the presentation did a good job of showing the total look and feel of Win10, even though it didn't attempt to list and demonstrate every new feature.

 

Will be the first comment updated when avaible for download? This topic has already to many comments and Im not sure what is going on.

 

It's already available to download. If you want to try it out go here and the rest you should be able to figure out.

 

I just finished the install on a spare SSD in my 3 year old GT780DX.

The install was exactly like Windows 8.1 including the appearance.They didn't change the installation screens and logo yet.

The desktop default wallpaper is different.

There's the normal preview type watermark in the lower right corner.

All my hardware had drivers installed by the OS except the Realtek card reader that i had to do manually.

I've updated the AC-7260 wireless card driver from the default 17.0.0.34 to the newest WHQL 17.12.0.4 and the NVIDIA graphics card from the default 340.52 to 344.11.

 

Jobine, cygwin uses emulation layer, while I would prefer to use direct windows paths. Sadly, utilities for win-bash are unlikely to be ever finished.

Indrek, sometimes I have to type 3x text in Windows console to do the same thing as in Linux, and I don't like it.

StormJumper, why don't you go back under the bridge where you belong? =) More to the point, I've corrected my post a bit. I confess I've never seen or used Windows 8 itself, only 8.1. My personal notebook is running Windows 7 only because it awaits an SSD upgrade anyway. I didn't use or try Windows 8.x because on all forums I saw numerous complaints about it... until last week I installed 8.1 on couple notebooks I serviced - and was amazed with how great it is to have annoying start menu replaced with this cool metro thing, whatever you call it. =)

 

Updates:

KB3002675

x86: http://download.windowsupdate.com/c..._3a85159919366971b3643a33abb56dccaac8de31.msu
x64: http://download.windowsupdate.com/c..._428b5e5dae7f689ee86fdea06f34a03829ae43fd.msu

KB3001512

x86: http://download.windowsupdate.com/c..._e7e38f037f89a1df77251f9bc093cbca6c7df1dd.msu
x64: http://download.windowsupdate.com/c..._78a6eec858555f58df585fdbb5c3e62866dd9917.msu


KB2693643 (Remote Server Administration Tools for Windows 10 Technical Preview)

x86: http://download.microsoft.com/downl...B95F-89DF4CE291D3/WindowsTH-KB2693643-x86.msu
x64: http://download.microsoft.com/downl...B95F-89DF4CE291D3/WindowsTH-KB2693643-x64.msu

 

The start screen is useful until there is a 100 or more applications built to the tree. I will agree it need replacing for every day use. I use rocketdock for my every day stuff but to find an app I have not used in a year the start menu tree can be handy. Search I rarely use so no issue there.

I am rarely at the command prompt. As of late though for fastboot I had been. Hopefully with CM11 M10 now on both the tablet and phone I am at that end.

Linux has, to my memory, always had a better console. So no arguments here on that. The one argument though is general consumers, and even some of us techies, avoid the console at almost all costs. In this regard while Linux is way ahead of Windows it makes little to no difference to consumers.

 

Still not liking the flat everything, the lack of aeroglass, and a cluttered start menu. Why can't they just give us windows 7 style with a windows 8 kernel.

 

Messed with it for 15 mins.

The Task View is redundant since they allow Alt Tab View preview across all desktop.
There isn't a shortcut key to cycle them anyways. Arrow Keys pretty limited and it doesn't work well on multiple monitors. (Needs a Mouse)

Opening new instances in different desktop is a pain if it already running one in one of your desktop
because they allow Taskbar Viewing on all desktop. No option to move them to specific virtual desktop.

Search is how Win 7 works. Also, seems to be redundant with menu search.
They got rid of the category search 8 keyboard shortcuts.

Improved Snap is okay ...

<strike>Start Menu Key shortcut only works on the main display.</strike>

 

How to Make the Windows 10 Start Menu Look More Like Windows 7

For faster Restart and /or Shutdown

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\St illImage\ServerSettings

ShutdownIfUnusedDelay

Base = Hexadecimal

Value date = 2

for 2 seconds

 

Has anyone managed to turn OneDrive off? if i ever buy a windows phone it may be useful to me, not now..
Just have to stay out of the OD folder.. But it is kind of pointless it being online when i]m not using it.. Also kinda makes me uncomfortable that my files suddenly would apear online..

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2111442/how-to-disable-windows-8s-deep-cloud-integration-piece-by-piece.html

Dosent work....

 

dunno about Windows 10 but in Windows 8 you can easily turn it off via the Group Policy Editor / Administrative Templates / One Drive = Prevent the usage of OneDrive for storage

Apply then reboot

 

Please make Windows 10 come without any, News, sport, travel e.g. Apps! I want the experience going to the store and trying out what i would find useful, not having the feeling it is pushed in my face! I belive that would make people not want to go to the store, because they would know thats where those annoying apps come from!?

 

Not sure what the problem is. Cygwin provides binaries for just about any of the standard Unix utilities (including all of the shells, such as bash, csh, tcsh, zsh, etc.) you would want, which you are free to use from the standard Windows command line, or in any other way you would use any other Windows Console executable. Of course, Cygwin doesn't magically turn a Windows system into a Unix system, but from the user perspective that should be of no concern.

 

Everything feel so border-less with the default gigantic shadow. turned it off~

Anyone know how to customize the task pane? (left column of explorer)

 

It has no gestures... Also, Metro IE is gone and everything opens in desktop view. Going back to 8.1!
Anyone knows where can I get ordinary (non-Pro) Windows 8.1 iso?

 

YAY! Good start.

 

That's a Technical Preview aka Alpha. Don't expect too much from it .

 

What is cluttered? You can remove everything and start from scratch.

 

Start-menu customization is lacking, no small icon, missing the pin to start menu context button...

probably can reg edit some of these but come on..

 

I don't want tiles in my start menu, I just want a proper folder structure.

 

There are some small fix here and there, i.e. for chinese quick input. In 8.1 it used to that the desktop mode do not show suggested phase, only the metro touch keyboard does.

8.2 ftw~

 

We are not supposed to ask for those here as M$ does not allow them. It has been said before though it would be nice if they did offer them.

 

We are not supposed to list ISO download sources here. What I can tell you is the subscriptions downloads of MSDN lists all the hashes for the ISOs, so you can check against those if you do mange to Google out the ISO.

 

In fact, i think the new Metro is better also.. I only tried w8 not 1, has it changed from 8.1? easier settings.

 

OK... so I tried it.

It's ok so far.

I like it better than 8 or even 8.1 feel-wise. The start menu is slightly different, but enough familiar so that I am not spending time tracking down anything or making unnecessary shortcuts.

I don't like the look, but I haven't looked into just how much I can customize yet. Nothing deal-breaking... I tried to see if it would grow on me... it still feels overly "Fisher Price" for me. This may be just me trying to remove anything "metro"-ish.

In Windows 10's favor... one of the older education software packages that NEVER ran on 8 or 8.1 does indeed work in 10. (no special settings required either...) I do not know if this is a happy mistake or intentional at this point. I did not expect this to work, so I am positively surprised.

One of the local database programs (designed for 7, never worked right in 8 or 8.1) still doesn't work. Again, no special settings tried yet. No need to panic yet as this may just be early release issues or security or VM-related.

Haven't tried connecting to Cisco anything yet...

The thing is... I still don't see any reason why I would want to upgrade from 7 unless there were features I really wanted or noticeable performance increases that I am not seeing yet. Granted Cortana isn't here yet... (I don't care about IE12 or frankly any version of IE as its just the "standby until you get a real browser")

On a more positive note... if I bought a computer, I probably wouldn't be as interested in downgrading a Windows 10 computer to 7.

 

This isn't even the final product, when you install you get a warning that features can change drastically after updates. MS is doing much more than eliminating bugs right now.

 

It's possible it's now fixed when MS did away with the Start Page. I had several older games that wouldn't run because it recognized the Start Page as another desktop.

Did MS apply transparency to the windows as well as the taskbar? :hi2: