Windows 10

No, I saw it. The partial quote was intentional.


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My guess regarding how Microsoft takes feedback is as a multi-tiered system. First, there are the people that initially read the complaints. Their job is to sort them into categories for the higher ups. At that point, the bug reports (____ doesn't work) go to the compatability team, which tries to restore functionality. Everything else is sent as categories to the managers of the different sub systems, each of whom decides which are important enough to implement and make those recommendations to senior management. Then senior management takes the recommendations of division managers and decide how they fit into the corporate vision for the product and dictate the actual changes or adjustments to be made.

Under such a system, the only people who see the actual feedback are essentially the folks aggregating and categorizing it at the beginning. So no one's individual suggestions are being viewed by the people who make decisions. And the changes that do get made are a result of millions of feedback items that were categorized and filtered through different priorities (is this popular/unpopular enough? How long would it take to change? Does it fit into our company goals? Etc.)

So in one sense, it can be said that the company isn't listening because they aren't making decisions based directly on individual feedback items. But feedback is like voting, and if enough people continue to vote a certain way, they will find a voice for their perspective. That voice may not effect immediate changes (Microsoft is a corporation, not a democracy), but it will be heard by the decision makers.

If it is indeed true that greater numbers of enthusiasts believe if Microsoft listened to them (individually), then Windows would be something everyone would like, I believe that shows such enthusiasts to be overly self-absorbed rather than highlighting problems in the product. It seems to me that only massive complaints from average customers, such as what happened with Windows 8 & Vista, highlight universal problems that absolutely have to be fixed from the corporate perspective.

 

Way off, the reason they say we are listening a second time to make a better OS and UI, is they realize the failures of their listening procedures with Windows 8.0 and 8.1. Either that or it was just to placate the testers. This is the reason I abandoned early is as I felt I was just being placated, and now I see, at least so far, I was. If not they would have since day one said they were getting out of the OS business to become a provider and were looking to make the PC just another internet device.

Thing is if they said that to the PC enthusiasts they would probably not have gotten many takers for the preview. I know I would have never loaded it up. I am also sure there are quite a few users here who would not have either.

 

To me, after trying the new Office 13, and I wasted all that effort to get it going just to find out I had to pay to do a print screen copy. I flipped out. Msft is not Google. I don't like either of them controlling my privacy and then breaching trust that they gave me any choice to ultimately: but Msft can't handle data like Google, and that is going to be a cluster if it ever did take off. Google built their business up on freebies, and Msft is building their business up on old monopolies and in the head of the richest man in the world who want's everything he cannot have (despite his scoliosis needs, he is worried about the wrong thing.)

At least good companies are using Google's engine for good software products. And well, Msft has Win 7 pro and office 2010. Anyone who tries ANY OS by Msft before 3 years is bold and/or are doing it for professional opportunities (to exploit it, like all Msft's Indian and Chinese minimum wage programmers )

Msft is slowly going the way of Lotus, Word Perfect, and IE (lol.) How many years does Msft have left as a market leader, when will Bill kick the bucket, and who will be next market OS leader are the only questions left. What I can see from this board is people are fed up with Vista, w8, w8.1, and from all indications, w10 before it is ever launched (wasn't that supposed to be yesterday? Or maybe it's on Monday for a stock hype to give Bill a couple more billion dollars he'll immediately sell off before Win10 starts stinking?)

Necessity make dictate we all learn Linux, but it's better than the alternative.

 

Pay to do print screen? What does that mean?

Launch date is 29th July, not June. One month left! I'm personally looking forward to it.

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Office 13 would not let me print directly to my own printer: I had to run everything through their cloud system. I will NEVER do that wasteful and invasive scenario, whether it's Msft or Apple: forget it!

I thought it was 6-26 or 6-29. Me too, I wish it was started. It will be a good time to short at the highs and ride the 5th wave down. Of course everything will go down along with Msft, since it is the top of the food chain: it goes up first, and it comes down first too. Conveniently timed I'd say for a conniving billionaire break dancing in limited range of motions!

It's almost like Pete Rose betting on his own baseball games. Bill will have the most to gain by the failure of his operating systems by shorting his unknown private stock ceo's and cob's have. Vista and Win 8, and Win 8.1 added billions to his booty I'm sure.

 

Should I get Windows 10 now?

 

DO IT! NOW!

 

Windows 10 build 10158 available for those on Fast Ring

I'm updating from 10147 now.

ISO Links:
Windows 10 Build 10158 linksAvailable Language EN RU PL FR

x86
Windows10 Core EN
https://openload.io/f/JwVpvLfGKTA/
Windows10 Pro RU
https://openload.io/f/MZjaoZm5ZPU/
Windows10 Pro EN
https://openload.io/f/0ALpa95Tidg/
Windows10 Pro EN
https://openload.io/f/ybjs3G5dViw/
Windows10 Ent EN
https://openload.io/f/MxpPB6GQ52E/



x64

Windows10 Core EN
https://openload.io/f/3XZGmgtQZbY/Windows

Windows10 Pro PL
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B03...WjQ/view?pli=1
Windows10 Pro RU
https://openload.io/f/6ZZ0vN7W1Ws/
Windows10 Pro EN
https://mega.nz/#!w4QWQKxb!9tlRgJtiuMRKyU3Gb7PgmXmkGxx9Za6rLI5Kt2ZgdyY
userscloud.com/ft92gty0bht4
Windows10 Pro EN
http://pastebin.com/q2NuHQbs
Windows10 Ent FR
https://mega.nz/#!MpJU1Y4a!4ONBIEN0n..._PDaNKF-PEO704
https://mega.nz/#!YwBFxTaR!jeoiF5lzy...CTr-S8dRU6gj6c
https://mega.nz/#!48pUwQhS!00zkyulHY...3csd0bF8M0rf2o
https://mega.nz/#!wog2jApR!4inMcLkPY...ACsSGM_C6-_VUU
https://mega.nz/#!1sQRTBDb!kzLpCYg3X...jw8okjHlRqYdMY
https://mega.nz/#!sxBzgLZL!Z-TeKDM2m...Q3yCBC3AiaxMo4
Windows10 Ent RU
https://openload.io/f/rmmuxk959lE/
Windows10 Ent FR
https://openload.io/f/fzwUmH4x7wM/
Windows10 Ent EN
https://openload.io/f/Y_YhQYorb_E/

 

WOW!

Quickest update from previous build ever?

Windows Insider Preview build 10159 now rolling out to Fast Ring

http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/06/30/whoa-another-pc-build/

 

Makes me wonder how Windows 10 will turn out? Surely by now in other versions of Windows, RTM would be out by now, and yet, less then 4 weeks from D-Day they are still rolling out Betas. I might actually hold off for just a little bit before I taking the plunge.

 

Wait until the end of this decade perhaps? Join the Club!

But seriously, without any previews or updates so far, you can bet it is going to be supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!

 

You know...I'm not ashamed to admit that I actually spell-checked you on that nostalgic, faux-word . You Sir (or Madame) have done Mary Poppins justice. Let's see if Micro$haft can do same with Win 10 (See what I did there?) Again I'll give it a go at the end of the "free-year" but so far I'm not enthused with certain changes (ex. WU). Definitely in no rush...just enjoy the show as it unravels.

 

I was going to try and download the "Windows10 Pro EN" from the pastebin link and it downloaded some 256k exe file named windows10x64 etc.. and wanted me to run that. lol nice try.

 

My 10159 download sat at 0% for a long time.

I went into C:Windows/Software Distribution/Downloads and deleted everything in the folder.

After a reboot I was able to download 10159 very quickly

Now doing the files installation

Hope this helps anyone else with the same issue

 

Best strategy: Wait for windows 12 service pack 3 and Micro$oft to pay each of us $100 to upgrade as a "thank you" for doing them the favor of using their newest OS instead of something else.

 

hoping that the nvidia problem for me is fixed

 

"If" you are planning on getting the professional version where you can actually control what they install on "your" machine ... Otherwise I wouldn't touch that with a 10ft pole

 

You know, there is a nice joke which fits this situation, let me tell you.

Spoiler: PG-13, please

One blond girl tells to another one who is her friend a story which happened yesterday:
Okay, - so she says, I'm walking along the street at night and then what I see! I see a $100 banknote right on the asphalt! I decided that I found $100 and bent over to get it... but nope! Soon I felt that I was actually earning them.

So don't jump on (bent over) a 100$ deal that easily. Read what is written with small letters.

 

Will Windows 10 (Home Premium) forcibly install it's own GPU drivers then (NVidia)? I ask because I have a non-standard GPU, so need a modded inf, therefore I don't think Windows 10 would be able to forcibly install an NVidia driver even if it wanted to. Does it also forcibly install drivers for other 3rd party components in the system - perhaps overriding drivers that you might want to install from the manufacturers website directly?

 

Actually it does override your driver installations no matter what you do. The problem with non-standard GPUs will most probably be W10 will keep trying to force its updates and failing each time giving you errors, crashes, restarts maybe bricking the machine completely on boot. You will need to check with someone who is running the OS on non-standard GPU.

 

That is the number one reason I am not trying Windows 10 again until they have fixed this issue. Turing off driver updates from Windows updates from the device manager has no effect. Even if you install all the latest / approved drivers that YOU want. Run Windows updates and bam, it will override every driver by its own.

A good example is, I have my Realtek Audio drivers installed which have the Dolby Digital app for enhanced audio, the moment I run the Windows updates, it automatically chooses the driver IT wants and thus I lose the Dolby Digital functionality, yes it's there but has no effect on sound since the driver is a different version.

Micro$haft in control and we have no control over what we want to do with our system.

@Mr. Fox

 

Well, that does suck! I might be able to live with it though, because I'm not too fussy about the other drivers on my PC apart from the GPU drivers which it won't be able to enforce anyway due to it needing a modified inf. I use a USB soundcard for my sound, and I doubt Windows will want to replace the driver for that. The other drivers I don't particularly want it messing with (but don't mind too much if it does) are the wifi drivers, Intel Rapid Storage Technology driver. Any thoughts on whether it will want to mess with any of these drivers?

 

I cannot live with this. If I do a clean install of an OS, it is because I am OCD about having the latest OEM drivers installed in the right order. The way Windows updates work is it installs them all in one shot like a McDonald's Big Mac Combo (Burger + Fries + Coke) all in one shot

It will install any driver update be it internal or connected via USB IF it finds a driver for it.

Another example. I have a 2TB External WD 10th Anniversary Edition HDD, it works best with the ancient drivers that WD provide (WD SES Driver), but if I use the Windows updates version of the driver, I can see in the event log many disk errors on that HDD in the background. Again, same scenario, since there are drivers for that device through Windows updates, it ignores my setting which I specified to never search for info or drivers in Windows updates and silently installs everything along with the normal Windows updates.

Heck from my experience also, it is never a good idea to install all Windows updates at once, it is best to install the .NET Framework 3, 4, or 4.5 separately then reboot then install the other Windows updates remaining. If I don't do this on Windows 7 for example, sometimes stuff like gpedit.msc or event log viewer get broken forcing me to do a format. I learned this the hard way. Now we have no control, everything will be installed in a single reboot who knows what it would break.


At the moment, Windows 10 is a grandma OS, set it and forget it. Not for us performance enthusiasts who like to do things our way! now it is Micro$haft way. All your b4$3 are belong to Micro4haft

 

As ML6 above mentioned as long as it requires a driver windows will mess with it EXT or INT ... I thought about paying the additional 99$ to get the pro pack ... But then I thought why the hell would I have to pay 100 bucks to be able to "postpone" updates (Yes you can never cancel updates you can only postpone or defer them even on pro edition) ... This is insane like what they did with W8 and Media Center

 

My guess is that won't matter. Windows Update will still make the attempt, and the installation will fail... leaving you with exactly the same circumstances as trying to install a driver without modding the INF first.

 

As long as all it does is throw up a warning that the new driver can't be installed, rather than uninstalling my previous NVidia driver in the process then I wouldn't mind - assuming it would only do this whenever I chose to run Windows Update, as opposed to every time I logged onto the internet or something. (Even if it threw up an error once a day then I could live with it, as long as it was a quick click of the close or OK button.)

 

I am still of the ilk to wait and see but I have to say that from what I am reading here it does not look all that good for the OS.

 

Windows 10 Insider Preview - Build 10162

Now officially available from Microsoft (not a leak)

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-iso

 

From what I've read in this thread, it seems that the issue that is causing concern with Windows 10 is mainly the automatic updates. Given that automatic updates are actually useful for the vast majority of users (many of whom never update anything), this doesn't seem like an issue that is likely to bother non-enthusiasts. A point could be argued that Microsoft is forcing enthusiasts to upgrade to the pro version to retain basic features, but that was also true in Windows 8, so it's not exactly new. From my perspective, the big question for most people is going to be "is it better than Windows 8/8.1?" and I think most people will conclude that it is.

So while I and others in this thread will not be immediately upgrading to Windows 10 (my reason is Lenovo's Power Manager does not work on Windows 8, 8.1, or 10 and I view that as an essential program), I believe that many, and perhaps most, people will and will be happy with it.

 

They should have done that with the last two releases. Now with high speed internet and their installation tool, you can make one yourself.

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Whaaat? Brilliant marketing and customer relations. It's not all the feedback, it's the major ones that a large majority were pretty upset about. 99% of people want start menu back, not just some random shmuck that asked for it. That's only one easy example of dozens.

" does not fit the overall design direction MS is going" - that's the issue. The design MS is going, not what people want but what MS wants. It's like they design everything the way they want it not how the users want it.

Please provide evidence of these "many usability issues" being addressed.

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It's the choice, they're taking away. And "most" users probably wouldn't notice if they weren't automatically updated. Fine if they want to make it the default, but just offer us that check box "don't automatically install updates". Done. Not hard. I hate to spend the extra cash on Win 10 pro but if it does allow me to configure my own drivers, I'm afraid I'm forced to pony up just to have that one check box.

 

i have a question. I heard that Microsoft allows windows users (both legal and illegal) upgrade to windows 10 for free. I plan to buy a new laptop but it doesn't come with OS. Can I download windows 10 and install it on the new laptop? I could get a free copy of windows 8 or at discount price through my school but since I'm transferring to a new university, I'm actually not an active student until late August.

 

There are a few issues but yes the auto updates is a HUGE one as of late.

 

Same here. Even if I liked W8.x much better than I did, I would have a very difficult time saying goodbye to a very useful application that I've been using for the past 13 years, going back to the days when it was called "IBM Battery Maximizer"...

People, maybe. Numerous corporations - unless MS fixes the compatibility issues with some older/proprietary software that have arisen in the transition from W7 to W8.x - not in the least.

 

Latest build 10162 claimed to give the same performance as RTM. Try it and decide now.

 

Major issue. One that most probably will get cracked by someone. It's my computer, my laptop, my watever that's allowing Ms to run on it since I paid for it. So NO they don't have the right to install whatever, whenever they want

On a side not, with Win 10, I can overclock my 7970's to 1000/1350mhz. Never been able to do that with Win 7 or Win 8

 

That "Automatic Updates on home / Postpone updates on Pro" I think the regedit method should work...Only time will uncover.
But this whole Win10 situation is shady, I feel It's not a worthy upgrade over win7 in any point (no user control over OS the ultimate dealbreaker, pointless).
Too bad things are turning sour..

Spoiler: Check how the features are being stripped off..

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/03/mi...tures-windows-10-home-and-pro-users-dont-get/

 

From reading that article (right at the end), it says that Home users will be able to disable Windows Update by stopping the Windows Update Service, but that's not much consolation because you still can't select which updates to install. Might be a useful way to run for example a different graphics driver without being nagged to upgrade to later or different one for instance, then you could just re-enable Windows Update Service on the days of the month that Microsoft release their security patches, then disable the Windows Update Service again.

 

Looking at that list, it looks like most of the differences in features were already present between 7 Home and 7 Pro as well as 8 basic and 8 Pro. The update situation is something else entirely, but for the rest, it looks pretty standard to me.

 

Man that is a lot of work. Keeping a repository of preferred drivers. Being vulnerable to exploits untill you configure to update. Manually configuring the services to update, run the updates, manually configure the new registry for disabling the service, getting the drivers all back in. Think I'll skip that party.

Edit; Oh yeah, once M$ puts its finger in that dam, then hoping for a new way to do all of this.

 

I'm assuming you can just disable Windows Update Service by accessing the "Services" Window, and then you would just click on "Disable" for the Windows Update Service, I don't see why you'd need to modify the registry directly? But yes, you'd be vulnerable to security exploits in between the time of a security patch being released and the next time you manually re-enabled the Windows Update Service to download it. I'd rather not have to go to these extremes though, I hope that it will turn out that on the Windows Home version they won't configure only for automatic updates with no control - I'd like to be able to opt out of updates of my choosing (just like in Windows 7).

 

latest build in optimus mode won't even recognise my 980M

 

Maybe you just need to reinstall the NVidia GPU drivers? You can see the GPU in Device Manager right?

 

No, just intel

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That's disturbing! If there's not something else wrong with your system, and if Microsoft don't fix Windows 10, then you're not gonna be able to get DX12 on your non-standard 980M A17 system. You might need to run the GPU in dedicated mode for it to work.

 

Windows 8.1 works fine with the non standard 980m.

EDIT: it stopped detecting after I installed all the video drivers.

 

I asked you before if you might need to reinstall the drivers (maybe the intel ones too - intel 1st I imagine, then NVidia). That's seems pretty relevant now that you mention it only stopped detecting the GPU after you previously installed the drivers. If that doesn't work, then you could try dedicated mode if you wanted. Can't think of anything else to suggest beyond that.

 

Will see if I can wipe the sad cos I wanted to see if running in optimus mode will avoid the black screen on boot that was getting before.

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OK, looks like it's detecting the GPU in optimus mode now though it's not detecting some of my internal HDDs

going to see if it'll switch.

 

Is it confirmed that Remote Desktop will not be available in the Home version of W10?