Windows 10

They can always after a year say " We are grateful for those who spent so much time making Win10 better so we finally tie Win10 to your account and machine till the end of its life!"...NOT! That wouldn't be Microsoft then.

 

There are so many misinterpretations of everything MS does or say. For instance, how many times have we seen people thinking that their free W10 upgrade will only work for one year, and then they have to pay? Or maybe even get a subscription, just because someone realized that Windows 365 had become a registered trademark?

MS isn't perfect, and it never will be, but the amount of FUD out there is just hilarious.

 

Will still give Windows 10 at release a shot but just in case I have just started to setup Linux Mint KDE as well.

 

Maybe something like this ( http://www.solidsmack.com/cad/frame...r-apps-yes-including-solidworks-in-the-cloud/) would let more people move to *nix and run Windows-specific software in the browser...

 

So... This is why auto forced updates are bad...

I'm on fast ring... There was a synaptic update in there... Broke my TouchPad and froze the system... Screen went black... Pressed the power like I was going to hold it til it turned off... Came back on... No keys or TouchPad response... Rebooted and got a disk check... Forced, no less, but it seems to have recovered just fine... I left a Facebook message for all my friends who get Windows 10 that my number is in my profile when their home versions of 10 break their computer

 

On the other hand... Microsoft is making such a good move... share their profits with local service centers

 

Wow Microsoft is suspiciously given free upgrades to anyone who has a copy of Windows 7/8/8.1 OEM or retail and people are still making a fuss about whether or not Preview testers get a free license?

Talk about greedy, sure most Windows 7/8/8.1 users who are upgrading to Windows 10 for free are going to get the Home Edition which cannot defer from automatically receiving new Windows updates, driver updates and maybe even optional from software being silently installed in the background but that's not the point.

The point is did you see Microsoft ever offer Windows 7/8/8.1 beta testers in the past (albeit some being leaked) a free key to the final version of those Windows for testing out bug, the answer is no and is should be no for Windows 10 also.

A free upgrade to Windows 10 with major privacy concerns for everyone and still people are complaining.

 

Excuse me but how owners of Windows 7/8 getting free Upgrade are to do with Beta testers of Preview Builds? First do nothing, others spend time on the buggiest and worst peace of OS Microsoft made for last 2 decades and they started doing this just because they want to help. But after I saw I have to deal with... free license on Win10 Pro is what I deserve I believe.
I hate to disappoint you but Free Upgrade has nothing to do with charity. So yeah, separate that from Beta testers' situation and never merge judging.

 

The big problem here is 95%, or better, of the systems used were original Windows OEM installs. By having Windows 10 preview on them the original key is just not there making a new upgrade from the preview tough. So I do feel for those testers that do want to upgrade.

 

Alright I take back some of my comments, I never knew being a beta tester you had to give up your original key to upgrade to the Preview builds of Windows 10.

If true then yeah I feel for the Preview testers but at the same time tough luck really, beta testing in Windows 8/8.1 never required your original key from my past experience and recollection.

 

Not that you gave up the key but if you have the preview as the primary OS on the system then the original installed OEM activation key is gone. Forcing the others then to reinstall their original OS and accordingly regain their activation status etc..

 

I installed Preview build without using OEM key. Those who did though will get Win10 for Free... on paper words at least.

One bit of speculation though... What if I upgrade from legit Windows 7 to Win10 Pro instead of clean install... will I be able to keep Win10 Pro? MS Blog only told that if you installed TP on legit OS then it will remain activated. Interesting...

 

I started this thread some months back.

If someone finds the new OS as being for their use then they should update(not upgrade) to the new OS.

Nothing is ever truly free.

If the price seems to good to be true....

I've been using the previews since the beginning and have yet to see the need for me.

I don't use MS browser or search and don't install many of their updates.

Windows 8.1 is my daily driver and it will probably stay that way.

Just new lamps for old?

 

I just went back to 8.1 while waiting for the rtm as the preview builds had several bug that was annoying me~
but now i realize 8.1 have its own set of issue for me. sign...


preview build driver update problem can use this
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...ver-from/bff07224-4ce2-4b42-ab29-68c3a305d730

 

That's a good point, I don't think that many people 'need' to update to Windows 10 at all, I mean how many new features does it offer over Windows 7 that are necessary to the majority of users. I'm gonna give the upgrade a go though for only 2 reasons: firstly the only way to get DX12 for games, secondly to make sure I get extended support beyond the EOL of Windows 7, but the second point is not a biggie because I'll be getting a new laptop before 2020 EOL anyway! (But does give me the option to keep my laptop for a LONG time, and then replace it with a desktop, just keeping the laptop for convenient web surfing or simple applications)

 

well to me, it is not a new windows, more like win8.1 sp1 or something..

 

Well that's nothing new, you can say similar things about XP and W7, because they resemble W2000 and Vista a lot, respectively.

 

There could be one point to mass user... its increased security and safety... Although I would trust this if Microsoft hadn't told the same about every previous OS they made.

 

I honestly don't understand why every one's complaining.
I'm happy that i have the opportunity to upgrade to windows 10 (for free!) if I want to. Nobody forces me to.
And Microsofts product always served me well, i liked my Windows 7, 8.1 and I'm sure I'll like 10 aswell. If someone doesn't care about 10, then just move on.

Of course, people can discuss and everthing, but I almost only see moaning and complaining. It's like you ended up buing a car you don't like, and the car company offers you a free upgrade to a newer, better version and you cry anyways because you dont like the new steering wheel. C'mon..

no pun intended tho

 

IMHO you need to be a bit more direct and address the issue(s). Telling people not to complain and just get on with life is not the answer. Address their concern(s) in a constructive manor to win them over.

 

This kind of attitude is exactly what got us here. The "Don't complain just use it and move on" is why we have such disasters........Win 8.1 and now worse.... Win 10

Micro$haft promised to listen to its customers via the tech preview / send feedback tool.......I don't see how they listened....

1) control panel items are now even more split between the real control panel and the metro settings

2) The start menu is a joke, it's like someone chewed up Metro + the classic start menu and threw them up on the screen. Result = Windows 10 start menu. Enjoy

3) Users asked to be in control, what did Micro$haft do? remove every bit of control you can have. No control over what Windows updates you choose, automatically installing generic drivers that break OEM functionality, searching in the start menu now searches on bing.com! (words cannot describe how shocked I am by this)

4) DPI scaling completely broken rather than improving on the already bad DPI scaling

5) I could go on forever but I just don't see the point as that won't change the fact of how bad Windows 10 is

Then people like you come and say, if you don't like it just move on MS is giving it for free! I don't care about free! I'd rather pay for a proper OS that can substitute Windows 7 for good than have a free pile of garbage that doesn't suit my needs.

 

You have a car from Toyota but company decided to stop doing it and give you free 3-weeled scooter. Scooter's fans tell you that Toyota continue supporting warranty but won't create spare part for selling. Go use scooter, stop complaining!

I don't like built-in Linux Cinnamon's onscreen Keyboard (same as Win10's but more awful) then I just download from repository another one and it has ALL settings I may IMAGINE!
Really, I just think " hey, it would be cool if I could do this... but nobody would give this option because it's rare", then BANG! I notice the exact option I wanted there! That's what Magic Feedback does when developer actually listens to you.

If there is anyone who needs feature which makes no harm to put it then it will be put there. Just find where to place a checkbox.

 

LOL,

There's only ONE OS Intel invested in to support Raid 0 ssd technology: ONE, Win 7 Pro. NOT Win xp, NOT Win 8.0, NOT Win 8.1, NOT even Win server (any of them), and who is going to hold their breath that they will support an even numbered Win OS 10? Intel can darn sure count: they will accommodate all, but invest in only what runs the world and business. The verdict is out. Msft minimum wage reps at Best Buys spilled the beans.

Msft is flirting with disaster unless they come out with Win 7.1, lol. 2 failure OS in a row will destroy what only business they have left. Did all you cheerleaders like Vista, and win 8. (any) too? Since EVERYONE for all intensive purposes, anyone who remotely knows anything about anything uses Win 7, only dullards use others (except for Win server which I'm glad I never learned after seeing that Intel did not invest time into supporting it either.) ymmv

(I know this will draw a reaction from the clever crass 13 year old with the 1960 picture of the man holding his forehead, but he may the intellectual fuel for Msft these days.)

 

you have a point there, i accept that.
maybe i expressed myself wrong (well, i'm pretty sure i did). i was actually referring to this free upgrade stuff. people were complaining if its free or not, only free in certain circumstances etc. everyone wants everything for free. ask me, i'm german. germans always want everything cheap and for free.

what youre doing is discussing the OS per se. i'm completely with you on that. so lets hope MS will include features and options asked for by customers and testers.

 

The issue is not free for everyone, with a prior Windows OS, this appears to be the case but it then becomes the pain to go through for that. Essentially if you are a tester with the preview installed you will be forced to retrograde that PC to the prior OS install to now upgrade to Windows 10. Now if M$ preluded to this fact ahead of time testers could be prepared but on the other side of the coin this may have prevented quite a few testers from even loading Windows 10.

 

Thanks for understanding.

 

No one told these testers to wipe their legit install to test the new version.

Any sensible person would install the preview on a separate drive and keep their working install around, especially since it's beta software and buggy. So, not all that much hassle to replace the drive and upgrade.


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Huh?

Yep, that's a reaction alright. I guess.

 

And no one told them not too either. No where was it suggested this should be done as a dual boot. About the only thing I remember is a suggestion to use this on a non critical system and not as the daily driver so to say. Neither were suggestions about later installations but about day to day usage as a mission critical system. Not to say that this has not been an issue with just about every Windows OS preview and not just this one. So I am not saying lessons should not have been learned from prior history but by now you would think it would have been addressed by the company as a recurring issue.

 

You'd just need to take an image of your legit previous installation before trying out Windows 10, and then spend 15mins re-imaging the drive back to your Windows 7 or 8 before upgrading to the official Windows 10 right? That's not too much extra work really to get a free Windows 10 OS.

 

I'd rather just not see the same 5 complaints re-hashed from the same people over and over and over...

I'm not saying the complaints aren't valid, but come on.

And no one's forcing anyone to try it. Since this has been an 'issue' (I don't think it's an issue) with all the previews, why is anyone still surprised or upset? Storage is cheap and plentiful nowadays - the enthusiast types that test beta OS's are very likely to have a spare disk around somewhere they could use.

All the complaining about this screams of laziness to me.

 

If people posts concerns, it is because they want the public to know, and a lot of times what one sees as a show stopper, like the DPI scaling problem for me for example, maybe someone knows a registry trick or some trick to help solve it. So it's not the negativity we should take, but rather, the problem itself, if it has a solution or not. If not, then it is definitely worth mentioning as Microsoft did not until this point listen to its customers via the feedback tool or enhance the OS we've all been waiting for.

 

Are you referring to the feedback inside Windows 10? How does anyone know if they're listening or not? It's not possible to know just by looking at the latest build.
Just because nothing happens when it comes to a certain issue, it doesn't mean that they're not listening. Why? Because things aren't moving that fast over at MS (I think everyone can agree on that.). If I would give new feedback today which in turn gets a lot of votes, I wouldn't expect to see any results this year, at least.

Now I'm not defending MS, I'm just saying that they're even slower than you think. It's still possible that they're not listening, but please stop posting such things unless you know something for sure that we don't, because discouraging people from giving feedback won't help anyone.

I just don't like idea of tellling others that MS doesn't listen to the feedback, and at the same time encourage posting here about complaints. Why not do both?
If you already set up W10 in a VHD or VM you've already done the hard work, giving feedback is the easy part.

 

My point was that these complaints have been listed several times already in this 100+ page thread. Repeating them constantly does no one any good, and only makes the thread longer, with no perceptible upside.

 

The upside is at least two fold.
1.) It lets users know they are not alone. If they were a lone voice either requesting a different feature, or upset with a new one, they would know one lonely request is the reason they are not listening.

2.) Not being alone lets them know they are justified in their anger that yet again the company is apparently not listening as promised.

Now that said I will still be trying it out.

 

(Why does this remind me of a Michael Jackson song!) (Not having a go at you TANWare, just trying to be funny!)


EDIT: And more news on Windows 10, looks like it could be available on USB flash drive, I know some of you guys are gonna be wanting that stick with the logo on - Mr. Fox?!?! (see following link):
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Windows-10-could-arrive-on-USB-flash-drives.145503.0.html

 

I hope they're not read only. Windows 8.1 ISOs got updated after 6 months, and then again 7 months after that.

 

Bring back Aero is Feedback#1 and I'm pretty sure MS doesn't listen. Perhaps they bring it in RTM but people asked since last year.

I forgot in what century last time installed OS from optical drive.

 

Well, since Windows RT is gone, just like the old ARM chips it came with, there's nothing stopping MS from putting it back. Even though I don't care for Aero, I think it was a strange move to ditch it just like that just because of RT.

 

I think it is a waste of time to argue over whether Microsoft listens.... they. do. not.
Never on any build of any product. Ever.

They start with a concept of how they want the finished product operation and UI to end up and everything flows from there.

Most of this testing stuff is to find bugs amongst the many different types of machines.

It is what it is.

 

In 2007 they presented awful fat ribbon interface which took 1/3rd of vertical space on HD laptop. Everybody hated it. Only 3 years later they brought a little arrow to hide that interface when you don't need it. They. Listen. NOT.

 

And the Alt hot keys still don't work properly.

You want change from them... perhaps start a huge boycott. They might listen.. a little bit.

 

They can´t listen to all feedback. If you listen to all the feedback, the product will end up a convoluted mess.

Aero does not fit to the overall design direction MS is going, and also not the current design trend, and it won´t be restored because of this.

The did listen to the people who want Aero back, by bringing back Transparency.

You do realize that back then, Ballmer was in power, and even more, Steven Sinofsky, the man responsible for the Ribbons and Windows 8.0 was in power back then? They did not listen back then, yes. But that changed since Sinofsky was fired after Windows 8.0 right in this moment - the first result was Windows 8.1, which did adress many usability issues of Windows 8.0. Since Ballmer is out they are listening even more.

You could say, their new mantra is "feedback - feedback - feedback" (instead of "developers - developers - developers"). So, yes, they do listen, and they have done so not only when it comes to Windows (also XBox One, for example).

 

Insider Preview is getting old and stale.

10154 maybe soon

 

You have to be kidding...
They don't listen to developers either

Quite frankly as a business owner I wouldn't listen to a bunch of squealers either, but I also wouldn't start making huge UI changes until I sent out a bunch of different prototype styles and got some voting feedback on them. I also wouldn't take features and usability away.

How would you know if they are listening to anything... other than beta testers promoting the product because even negatives get some positives as everyone is still "hoping" it is just at least useable crap because they must have the latest. Sheeple. Marketing. Ploy.

You we us are just pawns in this game. They could fix it if they wanted too. They don't.

 

ok, my understanding of "listening" means not just reading/listening someone's words but also make right conclusions based on arguments and quantity of voters. For now either they want to pretend such so at RTM everyone would be surprised that they really listened or they are listening to something wrong and they are the Microsoft everyone knows.

Why I am disappointed is because I believe that if they listened to me, Windows would become something everyone would like. Such thought is not unique and most time is not accurate. But the problem is that nowadays most of all enthusiasts believe the same which happens only when final product is really that bad.

P.S. OKay, lets wait till RTM while now go back to a concrete problems instead of generalizing it. I will create another video today about Win10 and why I believe MS is listening and doing it wrong.

 

I find it interesting with KDE that they now have transparent borders available. The reason I say this is it looks as if those people are listening more than Microsoft.

 

And if it's the same user(s) posting the same complaints over and over? No upside.

I'm all for more people chiming in, and the more opinions the better, but I have seen the same list of complaints posted by the same user over and over and over and over. This adds nothing.

...wow

 

I do not see each time where it appears where a new complaint is being made or the same one as a duplicate. I do see where there is a lot of reiteration of old complaints made along with the new ones being posted. I can see where this appears monotonous but this is because the complaint list from each individual poster is just growing. it is where they have half a dozen new complaints when listing the first one each time it seems they have then posted about it 6 times as where other have as well.

And I hole heartedly agree, do not listen to me but please listen to US! I would in a heartbeat rather stick with Windows as a future OS. In that same vein of thought I will in a heartbeat give up the OS and seek an alternative for the users of PC's that I help out on a daily basis.

 

Yep. But you missed part of the post.