Windows 10

Pitch as much a fit as you want, M$ will make whatever changes it feels are in your best interest. You now have Windows 10 and are in their control, it no longer is in your hands.

 

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There are a few articles out now on this, here is one URL in my response here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10.762434/page-295#post-10304019

 

Does anybody tested if the Anniversary Update cripples the performance in bench? Eg Processor tests ala Wprime 1024/Cinebench R11.5 or similar?

 

I'm worried about the strict driver signature enforcement in 1607 and how it affects DSE, INF mods.

 

Updated to Anniversary Update build 1607 last night - only minor changes from previous version from a usage perspective, had to reinstall the NVidia GPU drivers because they are unsigned (modified) and I guess obviously Windows couldn't install unsigned drivers itself automatically during the upgrade. Had to reinstall Synaptics touchpad drivers using Have Disk Method, but this I had to do on previous upgrades as my touchpad is not officially supported - working fine though. Will do some benchmarks later to test to see if performance is the same (will update post later).

EDIT: Here's the update to the benchmark results I promised. I lost 1-3% performance (depending on benchmark) in the Physics tests of 3DMark11, Firestrike, & Sky Diver. GPU scores & combined scores are the same though. Tested game benchmarks and they're all the same: F1 2012, F1 2015, Shadow of Mordor, Batman Arkham Knight. One reason for the reduced Physics scores could be that I now have Killer Wireless program installed which used a constant 0.3-1.0% CPU, so I guess we can say that Physics scores have just decreased by 0-2% (instead of the 1-3% I quoted earlier).

 

I'm not sure how these scores look because I don't really run these programs but I ran them anyway. OpenGL is shot because I don't have it on max performance. Keep in mind that I'm only running DDR3-1600 @ CAS 9 9-9-9-24 2T. I know that can affect these tests.

 

I mean they are ok. But bench before and after the upgrade is a better way to see changes.
http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_4790k/

 

Well I'm not far off this guy who has much better RAM.

http://hwbot.org/submission/2719430_blackphenix_wprime___1024m_core_i7_4790k_2min_46sec_113ms

My score is 2m46s465ms

 

As I said. Looking good. Yeah, Faster Ram can make a difference.

 

Actually I could probably ratchet up my memory to his timings... I have Ripjaws X as well... I just don't mess with it. Just like my CPU can run much higher but I prefer the low temps and low voltage of 4.4GHz. I've gotten it stable at 4.8GHz and it boots to Windows at 4.9GHz but my H100i can't keep up with it at those clocks so I just set my voltage to 1.2v and my cores to 44x and leave it alone.

I just went through all of my 3DM11 results from 8.1 but unfortunately they were all at 4.7GHz so I can't compare them.

 

Toasts my laptop for sure;

 

@Papusan how's this?



And yes, 3DM11 took a hit from 8.1 to 10. These are both running 4.7GHz

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/11464546/3dm11/9882214#

Interestingly, I was able to get 4.7GHz stable using much lower voltage than before... 1.275v because I gave it a 25mv buffer after Windows came up... but 4.8GHz doesn't want to work at all lol.

 

hmm...the new update keeps failing to install.

clean install time!

 

Hey guys, good news... now you can get your Android notifications pushed to your PC running Windows 10.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016...n-windows-10-microsoft-does-the-bare-minimum/

All you have to do is install the Cortana virus on your smartphone!

 

Here's the update to the benchmark results I promised for performance before & after the Windows 10 Anniversary Update. I lost 1-3% performance in the Physics tests (depending on benchmark) of 3DMark11, Firestrike, & Sky Diver. GPU scores & combined scores are the same though. Tested game benchmarks and they're all the same: F1 2012, F1 2015, Shadow of Mordor, Batman Arkham Knight. One reason for the reduced Physics scores could be that I now have Killer Wireless program installed which used a constant 0.3-1.0% CPU, so I guess we can say that Physics scores have just decreased by 0-2% (instead of the 1-3% I quoted earlier).

EDIT: If I compare Windows 7 3DMark11 Physics Score vs Windows 10 Anniversary Update I've lost a total of 6% performance (CPU performance initially decreased with the first transfer to Windows 10, and now Anniversary Update has reduced it by another 1% or so).

 

Oh you did an upgrade, So that strict enforcement of Kernel mode drivers doesn't make an issue there, the msdn blog says () but these changes are confusing more, I think that secure boot ON switch needs to be enabled to make this mandatory in all fresh 1607 installs, Still this is very confusing and I don't want to be a guinea pig, Just deleted the FEB 2016 ISO...waiting for the LTSB 1607.

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/...drivers-must-be-digitally-signed-by-microsoft
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/wi...r-signing-changes-in-windows-10-version-1607/

 

Guys, did anyone notice 3DMark11/ Firestrike score being lower with Windows 8 compared to 10?
Lost 400 points in GPU score. Same setup/clocks/driver....No throttling at all @ 1326/3005 Mhz.
CPU @ 4.3 same score.

 

This looks good . With better ram would your bench score been in the top on HWBOT. Too bad you did not do thise bench tests with earlier build of Win X.

Have you processor tests from earlier Win Crap X build(Not from Futuremark)? I want to see if the Redmond Morons cripple processor power with the new build. I don't want to be a beta tester for all the Crap from M$!!! I wait and see if there is unwanted bug with the new build before I will download and use the Crap from M$ I have a crippled download speed!!

And remember latest 3DM suite have bugs. I'm in touch with Jarlo KOKKO Futuremark in mail. He know about the bugs in 3DM suite now, because I have debugged for him(physics score problem in Fire Strike). Fix will come this week or next.

@Mr. Fox Later we need a co processor(An extra one) for handling unwanted processes in WinCrap X if you want to run bench

 

Yeah, you've got all the right info there, you know what the exceptions are, my laptop falls within them & so does yours I think.

I just have the Physics Tests from Futuremark to compare Windows 7 vs Windows 10 vs Windows 10 Anniversary build. I would have been able to show you wprime1024 results but unfortunately Windows 10 broke my XTU/Throttlestop tweak that allows for constant 56W load, now i only get about 2mins above 45W. Although, there is a point of comparison I can make: Windows 7 took 300sec to complete wprime1024, and Windows 10 Anniversary build takes 150sec to complete 50% of the test (which is within the period of time where I get max clocks and can hold over 45W) - so if you extrapolate that then it would take 300sec to complete under Win 10 too. I would say that it seems to be just Physics performance that has been decreased by Windows 10 rather than just raw CPU power - why it's like that I don't know.

 

Nice. you should exercise extreme caution when upgrading to the just-released Windows 10 Anniversary Update. Yeah... Also if you run Win Crap X it self Never be the Guinea Pig. I will wait!!
Read more at http://hothardware.com/news/linux-u...heir-dual-boot-partitions#edc7QQVPGtcqCBDI.99

 

Now, this here... That doesn't surprise me one bit. The Redmond Nazis have been trying to position things to block Linux (and now even their own EOL products) for a long time. The UEFI and Secure Boot crap is all part of their evil plans to eliminate the use of anything not sold by, or still making money for, Micro$lop Corporation. Their lies about security concerns and the digital boogie man are just a facade to cover up extortion, LOL... they are the digital boogie man... in geek's clothing.

 

So after all things considered, is the Anniversary Update a go or no go?

 

If you have W10 then the update is a go eventually whether you want it or not.

 

Well I know eventually it will be forced upon us just like how they force users to upgrade to 10, but I'll hold out as long as possible if it's a no go.

So far the bad things I've heard are some drivers breaking and forced enabled Cortana. Things that make me want to go over is basically the native bash (I know i can dual boot Linux, but I'll welcome any convenience)

 

i downloaded the ISO via the media creation tool and did a full clean install cos there's something in the software that's causing the update to fail from 10586 so definitely not a hardware issue.

 

Opened a new Thread to track this problem RE: Steam

Steam Problems after Windows 10 Anniversary Update
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/steam-problems-after-windows-10-anniversary-update.794574/

It seems to be causing lots of trouble beyond the announced changes.

MSI Gaming Center is broken by the Anniversary update:

Windows Anniversary Update killed Dragon Gaming Center
https://www.reddit.com/r/msilaptops/comments/4w2yjc/_/

And Steam problems (wow, it's happening already...)

Civilization 5. It says "preparing to install 1%" then says "The Steam Servers Are Too Busy To Handle Your Request. Error Code (2)" (I already have the data files, it's already downloaded/installed". I've reinstalled game/steam multiple times, verified game cache, googled it and cant find a fix ;~;
https://www.reddit.com/r/steam/comments/4w2hl2/_/

Dr_Injection 4 points 10 hours ago*
"Having the exact same issue. It seems to be affecting any game I tried to download after the Win10 anniversary update. Changing the DL server had no effect (the filed DLed fine the error occurs when you try 1st launch of game).

Edit: So Civ V and XCOM EW didn't work but Shadowrun Dragonfall did. I suspect it is because SR doesn't actually use Steam DRM."

 

Can you find the link where some reputable person told everyone that microsoft is going to bring bugs to Steam in Win10?
Found one! http://www.pcgamer.com/tim-sweeney-...gressively-worse-with-windows-10-patches/#nnn
You could send that link to reddit users.

 

Some have already mentioned that in the reddit thread

We have a thread about that here too:

Microsoft's UWP framework - Why it's bad for gaming
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/microsofts-uwp-framework-why-its-bad-for-gaming.794291/

 

If you haven't found it already:

Windows 10 Anniversary Update MegaThread - on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/4vrr27/windows_10_anniversary_update_megathread/

 

Another reddit thread tracking Game issues coincidental to Windows 10 Anniversary Update:

Windows 10 AU broke my games
https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows10/comments/4w3ao9/windows_10_au_broke_my_games/

 

"Now fixed

Edit: it seems the broken games may be a steamworks issue affecting all versions of Windows and happening at the same time as AU roll-out may be a coincidence. Valve hopes to have a fix out today."

RESOLVED: Steam Error 2 - Windows 10 Anniversary Update
https://steamcommunity.com/app/8930/discussions/0/360671352684764658/?ctp=2#c360671352685113103

 

This is why I got the ISO before the anniversary edition, which merged fully the search with Cortana so you cannot have one without the other, then gutted the component for Windows update so my custom build has no server healing not Windows update. I also got rid of Windows firewall (I use a third party program) and defender, resource monitor, all of the remote access (except one that can interfere with connecting to the internet if removed, depending on gateway, router, and ISP)...

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So perhaps I was wrong claiming microsoft's fault... this time. Perhaps.

 

Update from https://www.reddit.com/r/steam/comments/4w2hl2/_/

Aurelleah
"Bout to rip my hair out. Nothing like spending all ****ing day at a ****ing soul-sucking call centre to come home and deal with steam's bullcrap. All I wanna do is play civ5 in my happy place .-.

Edit: Looks like this is a legitimate steam issue not just affecting me. Wish steam support was better; better let them know it's an issue

Edit2: VALVE FIXED IT!! WOOOO!!!"

MehraMilo 17 points 7 hours ago

Update! Valve is aware of the issue and working on a fix.

Aurelleah[ S] 3 points 6 hours ago

• They fixed it for me for Civ5!!
  
  MehraMilo 2 points 5 hours ago
  • Yup, confirmed, it's fixed for me with Spec Ops!
    
    Laupwolf 3 points 6 hours ago
    • Thanks! With that I can stop trying to fix it in every possible way that I know. Now I can just wait
      
      Laupwolf 2 points 5 hours ago
      • It is fixed now! http://steamcommunity.com/app/8930/discussions/0/360671352684764658/?ctp=2

 

Seeing as how it required a Steam fix, it's unclear what broke it

We are going to be on a hair trigger going forward...waiting for the other MS shenanigans "shoe"(s) to drop

 

went to download gears of war on pc and finally it lets me decide where to save it to.

 

Two major updates to Windows 10 scheduled to happen in 2017:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Windows-10-to-get-two-major-updates-in-2017.171098.0.html

First one at the start of 2017, and second one sometime in Summer or Fall. I guess people might be concerned what might be introduced or potentially broken, we were talking about the fear of disabling driver signing being removed - I've had a conversation over on laptopvideo2go on this topic and one user over there suggested that I could back up bcdedit.exe which would allow me to disable driver signing if Microsoft were to remove this feature in the future (apparently they removed the feature briefly in one of the insider preview builds and he was able to get round it by manually running bcdedit from a copy he had saved):
http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/31579-driver-signing-changes-in-windows-10-version-1607/

 

ref removed Group Policy options from Windows 10 PRO
from mdl posts:

lol+++

 

Gave up on W10, back to W7 on the main system.

 

It's nice having a machine that goes to sleep when I press the sleep button instead of about 20 seconds later with 10 and also stays asleep rather than my fans roaring to life in the middle of the night like 10 did occasionally. Actually rather enjoying being back on 7 and haven't had a single issue.

 

Big thing is it is easy to get rid now of excess files and I can open files right away in the proper apps. Privacy again is worth while as well. M$ will not even acknowledge issues it truly needs to fix let alone its constant purposeful invasive restrictions with W10. Anyone spending money to have that POS in my opinion is just insane. A year after release and all there is are constant issues.

 

Each Windows OS is POS until SP1. Buuuut there is no Service Packs planned for Win10. Instead of finally polishing dremeling and carving one RTM build to a bearable shape they constantly building new and new builds with new features before fixing all in the previous build.

I read another forum where there are so many different shades of bugs that you wouldn't even imagine with Win10 Ann.Update. For example touchpad's gestures stop working on some Chrome's tabs. Only on some! Just one thing of many others.

 

I wouldn't call it new Os builds. More like new beta versions. Because this new modern pastel colored Crap isn't fully working at all And if you get lucky and the Os working for you and your hardware, the Redmond Morons will force you to install next beta. And what next? You start all over again with updates that shall fix the trouble you get after the new upgrade. Maybe most working in the end right before new trash will be pushed out, and everything starts all over again

 

Yeah, Windows 10 does feel like it's still in beta.
Windows 7 was superb even before SP tho.

 

It feels like the point of the OS isn't the OS... that's how bad it is. It's not even Alpha, there is no plan, there is no Interface Guideline.

MS is just Freeballing it.

 

Exactly. Every 6 months or so MS goes and changes thing.
Just look at Start Menu, they still can't settle on the design...

 

And they are successful in playing this b$ game because all people just jumped over the " Latest is greatest bandwagon" and realize later that the updates are borking shizz up but what can they do, M$ nasty POS & noob consumers.

Do you know that Nvidia drivers suck with the LTSB TH1 10240 version ? Even Power users are forced to use every new update that M$ filth spewing machine is doing. I'm happy with 8.1, Absolutely no need to use that retarded OS, If I'm forced to buy new HW, I'll just grab a Clevo that can do Win7, Skylake would be the limit for Win7 I guess even with custom sBIOS machines, the way things are progressing...

 

I fixed it for you bro

 

Windows 7 was just a new build of Vista with tweaks and different base settings. Sp1 was just improving on that. Win 8 has had that done for 8.1 (supposed to be the win 7 to its original Vista) and now 10, which is all based on 8 it seems, but constantly in flux. What they like by pushing out build is a lot of people are flooding their feedback channel, give them faster bug fix turn around as it is discovered faster. But, the drawback is they break something new in every ****ing build instead of trying to coherently fix them all before public release. This is why I got the last build before their anniversary bs, stripped any way of them back dooring, and am going to do manual downloads and updates from here on (removed Windows update). Either way, I'm just going to tweak that build for awhile until a great build may arise in the future. Anymore, Windows builds are like nvidia drivers, completely ****ed so stick with a decent one until a better one comes along...

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Windows 2000, XP, Vista (if you had the hardware), and 7, were all solid from the start. Just a few driver issues with Vista, but overall I felt very comfortable with it. So, the argument about a OS being crap until a service pack is released, is an untrue statement.