Windows 10

I kind of fail to see the problem with this?

The only place I could think of that could benefit from this exploit are the older surface rt and the windows phone.

Everywhere else is meaningless as most of us sign our own or outright disable it.

 

Maybe you don't remember Superfish exploit loaded on Lenovo computers through driver healing and signature enforcement with secure boot helps with that. Think bigger!

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Wasn't that abusing a certain anti theft technology.
It doesn't deal with secure boot, as it was beyond that point already

Secure boot basically only determines that only allow signed boot-loader to run.

 

You can actually start the boot process on a secure boot system, it doesn't fail until it starts loading drivers in the kernel. That's plenty of time to figure out a way to slip something nasty through the bootloader itself. If you don't believe me, stick a Windows 7 USB key in a secure boot enabled system, it won't fail until as soon as the Windows logo comes up. Linux doesn't fail until GRUB starts loading the kernel. GRUB or Clover could potentially be modified to inject code into EFI causing it to crash or worse and Clover already emulates EFI in order to fool OS X into thinking it is running on a Mac so it isn't too far fetched to think it could be engineered with a malicious payload that passes Microsoft's keys to the system EFI and thus permits running any code.

 

This is awesome. I'm so happy. I hope it means my employer will cancel their Windoze 10 roll-out plans. That will cost them a loss on the sale of at least 35,000 licenses right there, ha ha! Sweet! It would serve these filthy dishonest bastards right for trying to make it to where modern PCs won't boot anything except a Secure Boot version of Windows. They truly deserve to die for that kind of Nazi nonsense.

 

^^ Legitimate Concern.

I'm little confused.

Isn't the Windows boot manager in Windows 7 signed and supports secureboot ? Just the Windows 7 itself doesn't
GRUB is a second stage bootloader like the Windows boot manager, supports secureboot.

I wonder who have the last laugh really . It still 35,000 licenses of an Windows OS anyways, just happens not to be Windows 10.
Basically paying the same price whether it's XP, Vista, 7, or 8 on a corporate enterprise license.

 

Actually they already possess those licenses! They are paid already, meaning no new revenue coming in. Even if delaying deployment for a single quarter or half of a fiscal year, it costs Microsoft recognized revenue. If many companies push deployment, it effects what is released in their quarterly reports. This can cause force on the executives and board to change course b/c they are not providing enough shareholder value. If it takes more than a year to convince the shift, especially with later trying to move to a service model that will cost the companies more in the long run, you could see pushed off adoption with the further collapse of usability on the anniversary edition, the leaked keys, etc...

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Wait ... there are large companies that buys their licenses fixed in one shot?

 

And, for those that thought free was a very good price... beware of geeks bearing gifs.

Microsoft Confirms Windows 10 New Monthly Charge | Forbes

 

Once subscription based licensing starts at the consumer level, it will all crumble, like a stale cracker. I for one will never pay for a subscription to use Windows, and that in turn would, I think, part the red sea for a mass exodus to Linux. Especially for such a massive "floating Babyruth", as Windows 10.

 

Lmfao!!! BabyRuth!!!

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Hilarious. +5 Rep

 

Was trying to come up with an synonym for Feces, and that came to mind......

 

Gifs or gifts?


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Considering you can hide viruses and Trojan horses in gifs, it fits!

Edit: speaking of old image exploits that have been closed, or mostly...

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Not "Greeks bearing gifts" but "geeks bearing gifs."

 

So they're gonna start charging per month for the Enterprise Editions, I guess the somewhat good news is that the author thinks it's unlikely that they'll start charging monthly subscriptions for systems that have already been updated to Windows 10. Monthly subscriptions do suck though, I'd rather pay a one off cost when buying an OS.

 

The majority of people and companies prefer a one off! I think this article was also to fear monger on less informed people as to when support ends, allowing m$ to get a last minute boost...

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Yeah, I think that really sucks, too. You'd think these dullards would have more common sense than that. Only an idiot would pay to rent Windows 10 on a monthly basis.

Of course... that's their modus operandi. Instead of making an OS that everyone thinks is to die for, they have to resort to scare tactics to get people to install this piece of crap.

 

It's so convenient, you can enter in your CC number into any Windows 10 computer *one* time (for any purchase, anywhere) and from now on Windows 10 will automatically charge you month after month, as long as your CC has $, and keep your cloud account active wherever you go.

As a convenience, should your CC not allow a charge, the MS cloud will lock you out of your account, and in 15 days irretrievably erase everything, to protect your privacy.

 

Haha!

 

These are funny things to clown around about. Unfortunately, the situation could not be much worse. They deserve everything bad that comes their way, and the really sad thing is these imbeciles are the masters of their own pain. They keep doing progressively more stupid things and then act surprised when there is customer backlash or they get sued. All I can say is I hope the litigation spirals out of control and truly bankrupts them this time around. I hope they find themselves having to divert all of their financial resources to legal defense and have no resources left to waste screwing up Windows more than they already have. Could not happen to a more deserving company than Micro$loth.

 

Funny, that feature alone would make it the best and most trusted service of all the other file storage sites.
This would be feasible if they enforce full hardware encryption.

Oddly, I'm one of few that don't mind the subscription if and only if they allow a normal consumer access that a enterprise account have is on demand technical support and hotfixes in a 2 week window.

I feel that is what they want. They want to set a precedent in all courts for such 'features' to control their old and new competitors.
MS learned a lesson with the law used against them, might as well use it on everyone else.
If MS is not allowed to do it, then no one can.

 

I hope that not very many people agree with you. I'm not paying Micro$loth for a Windows subscription. They can bite me. I'll use hacks and older/unsupported versions of Windows forever or until Linux becomes good enough (or unavoidable) if they do that.

 

Wow that almost sounds like a scam

 

There, bro... fixed that typo for you. That's called extortion. Paid protection rackets are very common in organized crime rings. Micro$loth is just late to the party.

 

There was not a damn thing wrong with the way they were doing it before. Volume licensing, retail licensing, server, and workstation products. Why fix something that's not broken? Greed? The fact that they are a monopoly, and think they can do whatever the **** they want? I hate the business practices they have been employing lately, and would hope that they get the hint soon. I dont hope for bankruptcy, but rather, have a serious financial crisis to knock them down a few pegs.

 

They already have in recent years. The stock, although still having lots of value, has had issues due to releasing **** products at overpriced rates and lackluster adoption. Windows 10 was heralded as the new Windows 7, profit wise. With less upgrade adoption than expected, they have relied on the lagging computer industry to force the transition like with Windows 8. Companies see this as an opportunity to skip 8 and 8.1, which is why they have been considering the jump, while others are waiting for Windows 7 EOL to make the change, weighing the strong arm decision published in Forbes that if you purchase soon, you can escape the service fee for awhile.

They are focused on the little, everyday user quirks that people complain about instead of fixing underlying performance issues (form over function), some of which are caused by the underlying performance issues.

They are not the only ones setting retracted numbers. Mac OS is also seeing people leave, just not in the quantity that M$ is seeing. People try it out and stick with it due to trendy perceptions, but the appeal of the Mac and iphone has run its course. Linux now has 2.33% marketshare as of June 2016, the first time the OS has ever crossed the 2.0% Mark, on the eve of Windows 10 year anniversary. Coincidence? The growth is before official launches of steam OS (I'll dual boot if driver support is there and less overhead while leaving Windows solely as a work platform). Here's hoping the trend continues!!!
https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

Take the numbers with a grain of salt as I do not believe Windows 10 truly has 21% market share, higher than Windows 7, which I had from the beta on...

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I agree! I think those adoption numbers are artificially inflated due to the original push last year. I don't think those numbers show actual rollbacks, or complete installations of other OS's. Microsoft pushing propaganda, as well as their partners. Linux numbers are IMO, a direct correlation with the feces MS has been rolling out as of late, and I love it! I hope its a big FAIL, just as Windows 8.x was/is.
I just installed 10 on a VM, and it was not 5 minutes, and I was already trying to figure out how to stop it from updating. By the time I opened the update panel, it was already at 12%, with no way of stopping it. So I powered off the VM, and deleted the install from my HD. Just reminded myself how much the pastel, flat colored garbage it was, and kicked myself for even taking the time to use it again.. Total of maybe 11 more minutes, for a total of around 45 minutes of time I will never get back.

 

The "funny" is the inevitability with which, on it's current path, Microsoft could find itself yoking with us.

 

In case it was lost in the funny, the real point was that MS could delete all your files just because you can't afford to keep up the payments to store them.

Giving you 15 days to raise the money - 2 months of subscription at this point - all while you are locked out of access to the files and services you use to make a living.

It's not too far of a stretch to imagine finding yourself in a position to watch your life take a slow 15 day march to oblivion.

Of course, you could take advantage of the Microsoft Bank Easy Loan Program, meant to act as a bridge in such an eventuality; just click on the option before your 15 day grace period expires, to save your account - files - and internet persona.

A minimum loan of $50k, with small monthly payouts spread out over the rest of your life, so as to allow you to always meet your Microsoft service payment obligations.

With convenient non-principal payments, interest, and monthly service charges automatically added to and deducted from your monthly loan withdrawals.

Microsoft, your Partner for life *

*Refer to your original Loan agreement, EOL loan balance payments covered by perpetual lineal indemnification.

 

This is why I do not use cloud storage and always maintain a local area backup of all online shared documents! Good practice for all!!!

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Microsoft admits to distributing Windows printing bugs in KB 3177725 and KB 3176493

Gotta love the first response from an MS employee on their Answers forum.

 

Microsoft Warns Windows 10 Has A Serious Problem
AUG 15, 2016 @ 03:00 PM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonk...versary-update-crashes-problems/#3dcea1a27745

"The good news is that while a fix is not ready, Microsoft does offer a workaround.

The company tells affected users to open the Recovery Console and rollback to a previous Windows 10 build or even Windows 7 or Windows 8 if their entitlement still exists. Given the problem stops many users’ PCs from booting correctly, Microsoft offers a solution to do this from Safe Mode:

1. Restart your PC. When you get to the sign-in screen, hold the Shift key down while you select Power > Restart.
2. After your PC restarts to the Choose an option screen, select Troubleshoot > Advanced options > Startup Settings > Restart.
3. After your PC restarts, you’ll see a list of options. Select 4 or F4 to start your PC in Safe Mode.
4. Open the Settings app.
5. Select Update & security and then the Recovery tab.
6. Under “Go back to an earlier build”, click the Get started button and follow the instructions."

 

Go ahead and rollback to Windows 7, and install GWX control panel........problem solved..

 

Well, GWX control panel shouldn't be needed any longer, now that the "Get Windows X" debacle is over.

And, don't forget Aegis scripts, Destroy Windows Spying, and our own Post #1 list of patches to avoid.

And, I haven't needed it yet, but the Simplex installer(?) is to be checked out too for Windows 7 installs - has all the good patches and none of the bad ones.

Then turn off updates, as the monolithic patches from MS start in September(?), which can't(?) be pulled apart to avoid bad patches in the batches.

When you do a new Windows 7 install, please let us know how it works out

 

I use Simplex for integrating updates, and it has a command line option to integrate the latest release into your install.wim. So, I now have a completely update, (through July) Windows 7 Sp1 Iso. As many times as I reinstall, this will be a fantastic relief not having to sit through a couple hours of updates. I also still use GWX, as it still catches Windows 10 files, when I have that occasional brain fart and open something I shouldn't.

 

Can you elaborate on the GWX "as it catches Windows 10 files"? I thought MS wasn't carpet bombing Windows 10 upgrades anymore through the Windows update mechanism??

 

Oh, I opened media creation tool, thinking it was something different. It creates Windows 10 download folders. So I just keep it running, because I have an occasional brain fart.

 

Electronic Frontier Foundation put out an excellent article today:

With Windows 10, Microsoft Blatantly Disregards User Choice and Privacy: A Deep Dive

 

Binge and Sludge dismayal user numbers... incapable of producing a good search engine or a good browser (or a good OS for that matter), lets instead give rewards for using subquality tools. Where has the once great Microsoft gone.

"Years back, Microsoft began paying people to use its Bing search service via a program called Bing Rewards. Now, Microsoft will do the same with its Edge browser and other products"

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3109...t-will-pay-you-to-use-edge-bing-and-more.html

 

That was an excellent read! Too bad the "sheep" will never read it, and continue to praise windows 10.

TBH, they can keep their money, I wont use any of that garbage.

 

Can we use our Bing Rewards to purchase Windows 7/8.1 Pro to replace Windows 10?

 

Some 'sad' numbers. Ref. W mobile: 0,6 %. So 99,4 % of the mobile world (many billions of people) rejects the ugly tile-disneyland.
What's sad is that w10 is at 20% would have been nice to see 0,6 % there too Thus maybe forcing MS to stop trying to disfigure pc's into mobile phone mutants.

"the bottom has fallen completely out of Windows Phone"
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3109...apse-as-microsoft-ravages-nokia-remnants.html

"Windows Phone --- headed for extinction"
http://www.zdnet.com/article/window...ing-the-smartphone-market-to-android-and-ios/

MS should look, think and learn. They effectively hara-kiri'ed their mobile dept., still time to save the pc dept.

 

If there were functional equivalents in the OS market, MS would already be dead. .6% would seem like a jump up.

MS needs to go back to Windows 7 interface wise, and re-innovate forward again - without stepping in the Tiled interface mess.

Tiled, side-by-side Windows, was rejected long ago for overlapping multiple active windows.

When that Windows Tiled Metro Interface crap first came out, all UI designers knew it was a dead end step back. How MS thought it would be considered innovation was as much a mystery then as it is now.

The real opportunity here is for the US / World Government's to step in and halt MS's UI development disaster, and preserve Windows as a world cultural necessity.

MS needs to be stopped from killing the OS that runs the world's business enterprises, and the world's communication end points, before we loose it completely due to MS's incompetent care and management.

 

Once again they have failed to see what they had in front of them. All they should have done is polish and refine what was working. Windows 7 was/is working, and windows mobile 6.5 was great, and should have been improved upon. Give the people what they want, not what you think they want. All of those high paid executives cant get this through their heads!

 

Exactly, Microsoft had the Rolls-Royce of OS's, captured the market, and instead of keeping it real, Microsoft took their good thing and turn it into an Edsel.

It's not too late, MS can take the Windows 7 UI and Windows 8 under-pinnings - and form Windows 11.

MS needs to forget the SpySoft ridden Windows 10 - it would take too long to pull out the nark woven throughout from the midst of the good stuff - changing the Build code to Nark=False isn't enough.

 

Should they write UI design rules as the next constitution amendment? How about the UN Charter?

 

I thought that already happened #nsabackdoors

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Yeah, gonna take more than a minute to work out the details, but you left out quoting the most important part, the reason it's time to save Windows from Microsoft:

"The real opportunity here is for the US / World Government's to step in and halt MS's UI development disaster, and preserve Windows as a world cultural necessity.

MS needs to be stopped from killing the OS that runs the world's business enterprises, and the world's communication end points, before we loose it completely due to MS's incompetent care and management."