Windows 10

Like what? Macs? If you think OS X is a flawless move from Windows, haha. Linux? Even more haha.

It's not even so much that MS has some sort of monopoly, it's that the alternatives to even simple things on other platforms are either lacking or non-existent. 10 years ago I would have accepted "well [activity] isn't in [non-Windows] because MS pays people to not do it" but really its 2014 and MS lost any kind of clout to do that years ago. When Vista was released, and the vocal minority came out of the woodworks to berate it, what did the other platforms do? Nothing. There was no great migration to something else. Linux gaming didn't take off even with Steam. People were storming the Redmond campus with flaming pitchforks and screaming for blood but *nobody* could budge the percentages in any meaningful way. Through THREE YEARS of Vista, Linux did nothing. OS X did.. a little. Really?

Windows isn't the problem anymore. It's that nobody else seems capable of doing anything to even catch up. Apple isn't interested in markets Windows is entrenched in, like enterprise business and gaming (there are no "gaming Macs"). Linux is too fragmented and laden with infighting on every little component to make any headway. MS, for all it's "blunders", continues to deliver a product that a very wide range of users can sit in front and complain about, but their games and apps work. So they spend money.

 

Sad but a true statement stoned into Rock....

 

The thing about business producing products that's not easily swappable (like a software platform) is the first establishment wins, forever. To get them out of business, you don't make a equally good product, you make a very different product that makes the old one obsolete with a new workflow, which, for a general purpose operation system targeted at prosumers and gamers, involves a several decades long circle.

The market slot for prosumer and gaming PC operation system is already taken. As much as vocal Internet groups talk, the people who actually make decisions know that trying to take MS head-on makes no sense, and won't serve them any good. At least till a few years ago, not much development effort in the other campus was targeted at "storming the Redmond campus with flaming pitchforks and screaming for blood". Sometimes P​R departments make funny jokes about each other when they feel like so, but the developers won't waste time on this.

The recent rise of purely vendor-dependent application distribution (AKA the mighty app store) and a general trend to move things onto the web/cloud has made Macs (or even iOS/Android slates/tablets, to a degree) more likely to become Windows PC replacements, so you do see Mac adoption on the rise and more marketing effort is spend on this. But we are still far from a real paradigm shift. For Linux, nobody who actually get money from doing the heavy lifting gives a d​a​m​n about replacing Windows PCs. They have their own problems to worry about.

 

I would say that Android is likely the biggest OS threat to Windows currently. As stated, the threat isn't so much that people will stop using Windows on their computers. It's that people will transition more of their everyday tasks to phones & tablets.

 

Another wishful thinking again....if one reads the tech news lately...it has leveled off....and if one forgets...tell me what platform was used to write all those Androids and tablets O/S and Apps you download and use everyday. The good and trusted old Desktop/Tower/MainFrame PC Windows Desktop top the very same used to develop and test PC games and console games. So this statement in itself is very disingenuous about the fact of PC in general. Android isn't going to be a threat to O/S Windows even if the Windows Phone doesn't take off Android has a high bar to pass before doing that.

 

This is what I meant.

 

Many people already have. Smartphones and tablets are near saturated in the market. And now people are figuring out what they can't do. There's signs the PC market may be getting ready to recover, as people discover they actually do need the desktop version of Excel, and iPads suck at mining bitcoins. Or something. Microsoft's Surface Pro is a tablet with an i7 (optional) in it, it's a serious tool if not a bit overpriced.

 

Hello everyone,

I'm home for the holidays and itching to use the win 10 preview I downloaded. I'll probably dual boot it, with win 7. My only real question would be is anyone gaming with it? Will I have to do anything special to get my Steam library up and running, and drivers I need?

Thanks in advance

 

Nothing technical stops the mobile version of Excel from getting better. The mobile platforms already have more than enough computing power to replicate whatever software function the desktop version has, the remaining problem is the interface. With wireless external displays or something the market decides to throw at us, the mobile version can easily have both simple touch-based and more feature complete big-screen mode in parallel. Sit down, tap the NFC tag of your TV with your phone, and the spreadsheet you tried to edit on the metro but failed is now on the TV, rendered within whatever UI that suits this device. You're free to continue working with keyboard/mouse/touch/gesture/whatever you decided to equip your TV with. Non of those is technically difficult right now, whether it's commercially worth it to push for such a solution as a replacement is a totally different matter.

For most people, if their Windows desktops already work well for editing that spreadsheet, there's no reason for them to switch now. It's not like we can't get the phone to work if we do want to switch for whatever reason, but making it work alone probably won't cut it.

 

Advise don't.....you should wait for a public RC before doing so even though they talk about how good DX12 I would wait til it gets a Release before trying so.

 

After each time black side of my butt tells me to try something new from Microsoft I feel sorry for that pretty soon. That sorry that I want to catch everyone's neck who claims "Windows 8-10 are so good and smart just you are stupid" and literally put his face into an ocean of my problems I start dealing with for multiple hours.

Trust me people. those who create OS in MS they are absolutely out of this World. ABSOFLICKINGLUTELY! Their logic seems alien's one and I feel they never, I repeat NEVER, do smth as usual as we, normal people, do in Windows!

At first I got a bug on installing it. I tried this on laptop's HDD. I tried to delete 100MB system partition but.. the first time ever seen this... Windows installer declined my request!!! It deleted something in that partition (free space increased) but said that it can't format or delete! Then USB flash copied files and installed them, then reboot and... FAILED TO BOOT. Error code 0xc0000001. After auto startup repair it deleted that system partition and C drive (why not to do this when I asked??!) and then I had to install it again. And it worked.

After that I found couple stupid things in MS and decided to tell about them in MS Feedback App. But guess what! While doing this I faced with more and more bugs/illogical things! Like a snake which eats its own tail!
Example: for leaving feedback I tried to enter MS account instead of local one. It asked me to enter some approval code which should be confirmed just once on a machine and never again. I applied it, accepted One Drive and then... ERROR CODE 0xd0000072!
I tried multiple times and guess what? IT ALWAYS SENT ANOTHER CONFIRMATION CODE! What a hell?
You know what was funny? That finally I decided to tell them "screw you!" and clicked "can't approve your fricken code now" and "bite your OneDrive yourself, I don't need it" and then... it worked like a charm Except I never wanted my First and Second names be viewable totally everywhere exchanging my nickname of local profile. But MicroShaft doesn't let you such simple option.

After this I got another hour with a half trying to feedback all those problems I faced one by one by trying to... feedback problems even though wanted to report about just one at the very beginning.
This is a screenshot of partial feedback I sent or planned to send.

 

Wow you're really mad at code that's months from completion.

 

I have to agree here this is not even a true customer preview but a beta in its truest sense. You have to expect bugs by default.

 

You call it a code month from completion. I call it a code at least 1 year AFTER a completion. I believe Windows 8.1 is the starting point when they should have already fixed all they broke since Windows 8, don't you agree?

I mean... it takes me just one look at something in Windows 10 to understand that it's wrong... and 10-30 minutes to send a feedback by that app... Why don't designers understand it even faster because they are "professionals"?

The problem is that less time it comes to final release, less chance that Microsoft will listen to feedback. And it is already Customer Preview leaked... so time is almost gone while there are so any troubles left.

I better be mad right now than when I buy next laptop and face all that later when already not just being able to change anything in Windows 10 but also not being able to even downgrade an OS.

 

Maybe I am missing something here, but who the hell cares when there are no DX12 games out there?

 

Did you not read some outside reviews that says it helps in system performance when doing other graphics that wasn't all game related...I read in computer magainze that is helps system performs to run better...so your information is lacking ..so one should get more info from other respected magazines that does do good testing of Windows.

 

Dx12 should give nothing to his current Steam library which was original question, or am I wrong?

 

You are missing something. The games come after DX12 comes.

Not sure if you keep track of stuff like this, but we had DX[#] before we had games that supported DX[#]

It's a trend.

 

@ Indrek and S.SubZero. You are lost in the time or lost track of post in the line o time. Let me remind you... for the 2nd time ahead:

I will also quote my previous post again so it would be clearly seen.

Indrek, what deal "others, who wait for Dx12 games" do they have to the current situation?

 

Correct, they were both completely missing my point.

 

Are there any actual interesting features of DX12?

 

Yes, it's incrementally one digit higher than DX11.

 

Yup, the rest should be the same. Just like with DX11, newer DX12 games won't run on old hardware...

 

The question/comment I was replying to was in fact quoted in my post, including the reference to DX12.

 

Windows 8.x market share dropped as well. Since the issue with the way data is collected with netapplications it is hard to use the metric for month to month comparisons. My guess here is now Windows 10 will eventually eat into Windows 8.x market share, more so than Windows 7 that is.

 

Thank you for the link. Very cool, I always enjoy further work on parallelism. My guess is that most of this stuff has already been done by game developers with their own libraries for parallelism. as that's driven a lot of the modern work on that, but, still, nice.

 

So I installed Windows 10. Dual booting with Xubuntu, using GRUB2 as the bootloader, and have an issue: any time I restart or shutdown from Windows it spends a really long time at the splash screen, whereas if I do the same with Xubuntu everything loads just fine. Splash screen lasts as long as expected. Anyone else experiencing this? Is it driver issues and Windows 10 being new and buggy, an incompatibility with legacy boot (T61 with Middleton BIOS), or perhaps an incompatibility with the GRUB bootloader and Windows?

I think I recall that it would hang for a bit on the splash screen even before partitioning and setting up the dual boot. I didn't read the entire thread, though I tried searching the thread for "slow", "uefi", and "boot", but no dice. So I figured I'd ask.

 

Does anyone know when exactly Windows 10 will be preloaded on computers at stores like Best Buy or Office Depot? Also will any computers made less than a year work using Windows 10? Or will I need to get a new computer when Windows 10 is out and preloaded on the system?

 

Did you disable Hybridd Shutdown? Somewhere in power options, Show settings currently hidden and uncheck that.

 

Thank you, I am pretty sure that is the issue. However, I find there are only two available settings that show up when I look in the Power Settings: Lock and Sleep. The Hybrid Shutdown and other option are not even there. I've tried forcing a Full Shutdown using the command prompt to no avail; reboot still takes long at the splash screen.

I think users of the Windows 10 Preview are cripled in more than just the "cannot change Automatic Update" settings in Windows Update. For instance, ESET Smart Security complains that I do not have permissions to enable the automatic starting of Real-time File System Protection. I've enabled the Administrator account to fix that and the Hybrid Shutdown issue, but nothing works.

I did find a way to change my Windows Update settings using the group policy editor, but I can't find any way to get more power options or give my account more permissions. Oh well, I am quite content with my installation of Xubuntu. I'll go back to the Windows 10 Preview to check up on updates and play around every now and then. It is a really nice OS for desktop users.

 

How to disable or enable Fast Startup in Windows 8.1 | Winaero

 

These are the only options I have:



The Turn off Fast Boot option doesn't even appear for me after I click Change Settings that are currently unavailable. I might have to mess around a bit with Power Management drivers.

 

They mentioned somewhere in mid 2015 - that comes from Maximum PC when they did the review on Technical Preview of Windows 10.

Here's part of their quote:

So safe to say programs can can run in Win7 should be able to work with Win10.

 

google for "windows insider program Windows 10"

 

I believe this year... end of year.
You can install Win 10 test version now onto your current laptop..

 

If you have too good mood you believe.
Constant shop crashes, Apps work from iGPU and Cut the rope stutters on Intel HD4000, iGPU doesn't boost even on latest drivers, Intel's separate driver upgrading sheetgram believes that 13.01.2013 dated drivers are the latest for iGPU, I can't UNINSTALL APPS THROUGH CONTROL PANEL! Nor through app's details page. Start button feels like cheap thirdparty peace of cr@p due to it's unstable responsivness while classic one was rock solid.

Win10 childishly deletes Classicshell installer BY NAME while if you rename installer it will work.

That's what happens if I load Win10 after 3 weeks of Windows 7 usage.

P.S. Tomorrow we get January Tech Preview.

 

yeah ...
i uninstalled it couple months ago ... bcos had problem with nvidia optimus switching .. started playing games and it stayed on hd4400 ..
went back win 8 .. best..

win10 needs time to sort everything out..

 

Apologies if this has been discussed already. Will this be a free upgrade from windows 8.1?

 

Windows 10 will be completely free for all 7, 8 & 8.1 users (for the first year after its initial release)

BBC News - Windows 10 upgrade to be 'free' for one year

 

The question is: Dos it mean that customers should pay for using Windows 10 each year for a year licence? Or it means that Windows 10 DEMO is free for Windows 7/8.1 but then it either reverts back to 7/8.1 or you pay full/half the price? Or does it mean that you have a 1 year window to jump on Windows 10 and have free of charge for ever?
What a heck does it mean?

 

I think people will have one year to upgrade full of charge. Sort of how MS had that codec/MC/whatever thing.

 

Free upgrade like from 8 to 8.1. The question I have is M$ updating all the windows drivers that are in Win 8 ?,,some are like 2006, almost 9 years old. Anyone hear about this instead of all the star dust or confetti being thrown around ?

So far Win 10 is a lot like win 8, trying to sell a beached whale-Windows Phone. I guess the good news is M$ is regressing making Win 10 more mouse friendly instead of touch friendly.

M$ and Apple need to fear,,US Government and State Governments adopt Linux free, windows and apple will disappear overnight. COBOL was joint Government/Computer Manufacturer made programming language and free for all forever, when manufacturing was done here in these United States more than outsourcing and employment was much better. BASIC Computer Language is free as well.

Cheers
3Fees

 

The last one

Sent from my Nexus 5

 

It be mostly free like how they gave away the Media Center for the early Win 8 Adopters. Even though back then they didn't have the period to redeem until people abused it.

You be given an upgrade key that you have to redeem and activate before this date.
Once activated, the key can be reused if you reinstall on the same system..

 

I think nobody knows for sure at this point. There was a lot of talk of "Windows as a Service" at the Windows 10 Briefing today, which may mean that they'll go to a subscription-type model, eventually. When, and how, is unclear as far as I know. There are strong indications from the presentations today that the current model of infrequent major upgrades will be abandoned in favor of quasi-continuous updates (monthly, perhaps) similar to what Adobe does with its Creative Cloud system.

 

I'm fine with subscription as long as they also offer a non subscription version of Windows with security updates and updates for a set period of time (what is usually the norm between new versions of Windows). Kinda like what they did with Office 2013, but with better stand alone "terms".

Also, some people need permanently offline. I know some places where they have computers perpetually offline and where no USB stick ever goes into those computers. They're still gonna need that.

In other words: go subscription all you like, but offer people the choice of the old model and the new model, don't force the new down people's throat.

 

I just saw that there was a statement in the briefing that said: "Once a Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it current for the supported lifetime of the device – at no additional charge." To me that means, at least if you upgrade in the first year, Windows 10 will be free forever. It also sounds like automatic updates may not be optional anymore.

 

But if you change hardware on that device, making it no longer considered the same, and you need to re-install, you'll have to pay?

 

Who would have thought that beta software would feel so much like...beta software?

 

Yeah I too am wondering how the free Windows 10 upgrade is gonna work as far as licensing goes. Like will they send you a W10 key or do you use your existing W7/8/8.1 key for an in-place upgrade.