Windows 11

Windows 11's new gaming features can't save it from the new gaming performance penalties, at least not yet IMO. I'll wait for games with DirectStorage to come out on PC and whatever kinks to get fixed before upgrading my laptop

 

It will be interesting to see what kinks actually get fixed and what new and more serious flaws are introduced to replace them. It never really gets better and stays better, except by freak accident. But, it's new, and new is always better newer.

 

Not the first time I have seen this I remember when Miicrosoft banned the Dell Alienwares from getting Win 10 feature updates...

Fix: Windows 10 April Update install fails on Alienware laptops

Dell laptops boot to a black screen in Creators Update [FIX]

And here we are again a few years later...

Don’t upgrade to Windows 11 on Dell or HP laptops! You can brick your device windowsreport.com | Oct 6, 2021



Pretty expensive for a free upgrade, don’t you agree?

• Be really careful when upgrading to Windows 11, especially when doing it on Dell or HP devices.
• Users are sharing disconcerting news across social media platforms that you should really hear.
• Apparently, laptops from these two companies can be seriously affected by the OS transition.
• Supposedly, the free upgrade is bricking many devices out there, costing people a lot of money.

This is recent information, and although not confirmed by a major news outlet or company, social media has been absolutely buzzing.

Many users that tried upgrading to Windows 11 on Hp and Dell devices ended up having to buy new hardware after the transition went horribly wrong.

 

How to upgrade.....for me.

 

AMD Processors Lose 15% Gaming Performance with Windows 11, L3 Cache Latency Tripled

These idiots cannot even check this ? People at MDL already knew this since August. What a ****ing disaster, I'm not going to touch this POS junk trash until 2025. I never touched Windows 10 since 6 years from it's first RTM. I'm not going to touch this junk either. How can their talent make such atrocities, it got leaked and then it got massive TPM issues and tons of spyware nonsense from Secure Filth Boot and TPM enforcement add this too.

Pathetic clowns running the show, BS features like Icons are childish crap, News propaganda widget, Xbox Trashpass, Teams spyware crap, more insane downgrades like Taskbar Win32shell, Explorer.exe memory leaks, overall increase in CPU utilization for all processes, Virtualization Backed Security gimping on top for reduced performance on older hardware and other insane junk like kiddo crap explorer, no more context menu, need a set of Winaero fixes out of the box to make it proper. Even Windows 10 start is superior to this junk on this centric made for dumb idiotic brainwashed smartphone social media addicted useful fodder normies. No wonder the people who are working for M$ are equally dead as their masters who do not care about anything except $.


Windows 11 will hobble gaming performance by default on some prebuilt PCs

LMAO check that out, power consumption decreases WTF ? Like @Papusan remember that earth saving cores on ADL ? This is even worse, OS itself is doing that job. And UL is going to update their benchmark suite on top, what the actual F is going on guys ?


A handy list of big red flags that I found so far..and we didn't even start yet.

Taskbar downgrades (Win32Shell integrated with UWP, so it breaks & blocks so many tweaks)
Explorer downgrades
Ugly tablet-centric UI / UX
Bloatware packages - Teams, Widgets, new M$ Store for centralizing repo of Win32 and UWP.
TPM requirements
Secure Boot requirement
VBS performance impact, for gaming and older HW
AMD Cache issues
Old HW not supported


What is this junk and how are people reporting it's all fine and dandy, maybe they all need a lobotomy and consoom this garbage. Remember the days how Win8 was a gigantic disaster ? Well we reached new peaks, it's opposite on top 11 is horribly broken trash. I run 8.1 Enterprise and it's rock solid since day 1 of it's Install.

 

In case anyone missed it, I showed that issue in this thread before the media started making a big deal about it. I agree that it is a big deal, but I am not sure why it wasn't a big deal before now. Maybe those silly boys and girls were dumb enough to think it would get fixed before it went RTM, but they don't fix things like this. They don't care and leave them broken forever.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-11.836230/page-65#post-11120271

That is a good list of defects and undesirable changes that Windoze 11 brings. I suspect we are only scratching the surface identifying all of the reasons that it sucks. It is incredibly sad how things that actually matter never get identified by "professionals" until the 11th hour, or not at all. They miss them because they are incompetent or not thorough enough in their evaluation, or they are part of the pathetic fanboy machine that sweeps all of the issues under a rug in hope that nobody else finds them right away. Any time tree-hugger influence comes into play, you know everything about it is going to suck. A lobotomy won't help them. There is nothing worth trying to salvage because their brain damage is too severe.

 

Windows 11 bug reverts users back to the Windows 10 taskbar bleepingcomputer.com

Windows 11 users report a strange upgrade experience where the operating system continues to show the Windows 10 taskbar, while everything else uses the new Windows 11 user interface.

With numerous features missing from the Windows 11 taskbar, such as the right-click context menu and the ability to ungroup windows, one user saw this bug as a good thing

 

Yes, I would call that a good thing as well. If you're going to install this POS OS then pray for that bug and hope it NEVER gets fixed.

 

So I tried doing it all over again but the performance was so horrible, that after installing it slowed to an almost screeching halt. I can't imagine seeing this running natively on one of my systems, but maybe that's my next test...

 

Was that in VirtualBox? I had the same issue in Windows 10 (Windows 10 host - Windows 10 guest). Took me a while to get it sorted.

 

Did you disable disable VBS / HVCI in Windows 11 ?
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ixes-index-post-1.836254/page-6#post-11122100

 

Windows 10 guest on Windows 10 host was just fine. And yes it's VirtualBox.

I couldn't get that far.

 

Thats their target customer base, people that dont know much about computers and just use it for social media. Who would of thought that Windows 11 is a downgrade to Windows 10. Like i said before there isnt any changes from Windows 10 so how can anyone call this a upgrade?. As expected this didnt end well and karma strikes again!.

I feel sorry for HP and Dell users that bricked their machines for downgrading to Windows 11.

 

It is truly problematic and says something extremely horrible about HP and Dell products (and any other brand) that allow Windows to have write access to the UEFI. This is an unacceptable way of doing things, and it has great potential to end badly. Drive-by BIOS updates have already caused problems in the past. The Redmond Reprobates can't even get their own updates right. They break their own things all of the time, so expecting them to properly maintain some other company's piece of trash is both unrealistic and foolish. It reflects stupidity and an unhealthy obsession with end-user control on the part of everyone involved in that kind of process. But, this is what happens when you allow idiots to hold a position of power. Treating a computer the same as a smartphone is a bad plan, orchestrated by bad people.

 

Windows 11 looks/feels like a tremendously sloppy, half-assed copy of MacOS. At least the MacOS pre-school environment is refined. Windows 11 gives us the worst of both worlds it seems, unfortunately. I really miss Windows 7 days.

 

Well said. And, it feels that way because that is exactly what it is. I wouldn't jump to Mac hardware on account of it, but it is no less inexcusable. If they were not such blithering idiots they would understand that people that want to use a Mac will have one. Making Windoze more like MacOS is a very stupid idea that ignores the reason people that want to use Windoze use it instead. Apple is incapable of replacing a Windows PC and Microsoft is incapable of replacing an Apple computer. The sooner they pull their head out and figure that out, the better things will be for everyone. But, I am not sure they are smart enough to figure that out. Their behavior suggests that they are not.

My Windows 7 days are not over. I have it installed and still use it on two of my three computers. It was the last good version of Windows. LTSC is a close second, but still inferior. Having the newest OS almost always means you are using the most undesirable option, which is very unfortunate. The opposite should be true, but it seems that applies to many things now. Newer is frequently, and more often than not, inferior to the item it is intended to replace. Status quo.

 

Yea its very dumb and especially for OEMs for allowing Windows having write access to the UEFI

They already tried removing user control from Windows 10 so its not a surprise that Windows 11 is just a more locked down version of Windows 10 with barely any changes and with more issues, Its half-assed and rushed as hell. Noone asked to make Windows like a smartphone...

 

Microsoft can't even offer own Win patches without screwing up. Let them push out bios/firmware from the OEMs will really screw up for people with machines out of warranty. Yep damn disgusting! Bios updates via Windows update servers may help boost sales of new machines Big win both for the OEM and Microsoft.


http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-owners-lounge.826831/page-1103#post-10911536

 

It is a creative way to sell more new turdbooks. Get help from the Redmond Mafia with remote destruction via Micro$lop Updates.

Their new motto is, " If we break it they will come."

When the pathetic filth you build isn't good enough based on its own merits, compelling sales through sabotage is the only option left.

 

3 things we love in Windows 11 (and 3 things we hate)

 

Anyone have a fix for taskbar corner icons disappearing when showing two or more? In the attached screenshot, PIA, G Hub and Edge should be appearing in the taskbar, but as you can see only the first two are there. If I set Edge to Off, the PIA icon disappears.

 

Don't they go together, Edge and PIA?

 

That taskbar overflow nonsense is one of the crappy new "features" that doesn't work right. I always want all taskbar icons displayed and none hidden in that collapsible menu crap. You can change the overflow settings until you are blue in the face and they keep getting hidden. The most effective partial fix I could find is to grab the hidden icons and drag them down into the space with the few that are visible. That works for a while, then the fault eventually resurfaces.

I finally got fed up with all of the broken things and the aesthetic atrocities that accompany them and restored my Windows 10 OS images. I don't have Windoze 10 SP2 (aka Windows 11) running on anything anymore.

 

I ended up playing with W11 for about five hours yesterday and came to the conclusion that it is the worst Microsoft operating system since Millennium Edition. I had fewer problems with Windows Vista and the first edition of 98.

 

Was just about to say this. @Mr. Fox just when you think Windows 10 is disgusting, there comes this pile of garbage with the most horrific UI in the history of operating systems and by far the worst Start Menu ever! Sheesh like how could they make the start menu so bad after already destroying it with Windows 10?

Funny how Windows 8/10 users wanted the old Windows 7 start menu and now Windows 11 users are trying to find a tweak to go back to the Windows 10 start menu!

You cannot do basic OS functions anymore; setting a web browser as the default for all browser extensions takes at least 10 steps, didn't try installing a media player yet God knows how long I need to set every audio/video extension as the default for that media player!

Ladies and gentlemen, Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC has officially been awarded the Windows 7 badge now!

 

A well written review.
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Microsoft, you shouldn't need Windows Insiders to tell you that they don't want to sacrifice functionality for the sake of simplicity.

All in all, the problem with Windows 11 right now is that with the absence of a standout feature like Android apps support, it just feels like a re-skin of Windows 10 and nothing more. The re-skin is nice but is it something that you should upgrade to as soon as possible? Not at all.

Unfortunately, Windows 11 is just another entry in Microsoft's book of "ship first, fix later"
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https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-11-review-aesthetics-over-functionality/

 

The problem is we give them credit for possessing common sense when they're about as dumb as a box of rocks. I don't want to paint all Microsoft Insiders with the same brush, but the same must be true of the vast majority of them because if all of them had common sense the hate for broken and ugly trash like Windows 8, 9, 10 and 11 would burn the place to the ground. Not only are they stupid, but they possess no ability to listen to or care about the people that use their pathetic products. They finally achieved success in making me mad just looking at pictures of their discussing new desktop environment. My contempt for their lack of intelligence is now rivaled only by Apple.

 

I know you're not a fan of Apple but man when you look at MacOS through its history, with each OS update, there are no radical design changes, everything works as intended. You turn on the laptop, choose not to be tracked/share diagnostics whilst entering your Apple ID and that's it, you can start using the computer, not spend hours on tweaks to fix a broken OS from its ground. Yes I know Linux but as a consumer, MacOS is simply more user friendly, as in, you see an app, double click on its DMG installer and off you go. I tried Linux but it was not for me it was too tedious to do simple things like installing Wine for example or finding a decent app that converts letters into full statements which I heavily use for work (ie. international shipping=baam, full paragraph on how our international shipping and taxes work), for that I use PhaseExpress which is available for Windows and Mac.

Another important thing, when I turn on my Mac, I start using it, not having to worry about updates that will require a reboot. I mean that happens like once in a blue moon when there is a major OS update but with Windows it's a never ending thing, updates, then preview updates, then hot fixes... reboot, interrupt your workflow...yada yada....broken drivers...broken apps.... this never happens with Mac.

Not trying to make this an OS war thread but I am just astonished on how much worse they could've made Windows 10 and believe it or not every customer we get, the first question they ask is I want my laptop to be preinstalled with Windows 11! Everyone thinks it is the latest and greatest now.

 

should have mentioned this a few days ago but better late than never:

From Thurrott.com - Windows 11 Review: Fresh, Familiar, Incomplete

 

Nice. I always put my attentions/hover over to the cons

Cons

• Feels like it was rushed to market
• Too many functional regressions compared to Windows 10
• The Widgets news feed is of low quality and pushes Microsoft apps and services
• Too few in-box apps were updated in a meaningful way
• Visual inconsistencies abound
• The new Default Apps interface is anti-competitive
• Windows 10 Home requires a Wi-Fi connection and an MSA to set up
• You can’t easily remove default icons on the Taskbar

From the community: The first reactions to Windows 11 are cautious computerbase.com

 

Agree. Say what you will about Mac OS, or Linux for that matter, their desktop environments have consistency. And they usually make small step by step changes in their design (with the exception of Gnome 3).
This is what kept me on Windows 7 as long as I could stay on it. Every MS OS up to that point had consistency. Even older UI elements from like Windows 95 fit in Windows 7 very well.
And then Windows 8 happened... Oh... Half of the stuff is in Metro UI, the other is on old Windows 7/Vista/98/95 accessible through Desktop application. Windows 10 "tried" to fix some of the issues, but was and still is a hot mess. "Yeah we redid some icons and added some setting from Control Panel to Setting application, but that's all folks for this update, see you in Autumn!"
And now I see the same happening with Windows 11. It reminds me of how some cities repair their old building - just renovate the buildings along the main street, all shiny and new looking, but if you go a bit deeper, you will see the old stuff (althoug ironically old design elements still present in Windows 10 still give more control over OS than new redesigned ones). This whole thing just makes latest MS OSes feel like continues betas...
CONSISTENCY... C'mon MS, how hard is it for a multi billion dollar company to throw some moneyz at some inters to redo some UI stuff?

However, there are a few things I legitimately like about Windows 11 - centered taskbar (might not matter for widescreen bros, but as an ultrawide bro that crap is useful for productivity), application group or something, and that thingy when you hover over Maximize button which lets you divide screen into different areas. That's good!
Just the rest of it is not so...

It does happen with older Macs.
I tend to give Microsoft a pass on this. The amount of hardware and hardware combinations MS has to support is huge. Nowhere near the amount of Mac OS or Linux. And with Linux the reaction is usually "oh crap, it doesn't support my webcam, oh well, that sucks" whereas with MS is "screw you MS and your buggy OS, what the hell?" and etc.
I partly understand why they want to have some hardware limitations for Windows 11, although it sucks for people who have unsupported hardware, most of which is pretty decent and not that old. And they actually might have a better deal out of it - no Windows 11 update .

 

Settings are one of the most annoying things, they seem to be all over the place in win10 at least. Search for settings gives you the simplified nanny versions, never gives you the nitty gritty ie msconfig etc never come up. Not going to tackle next windows till some must have like dx.

 

I posted in another thread here, but since this is active I’ll post here. At this point, is there any reason not to do LTSC 1809? Or since the next LTSC is around the corner wait for 21H2? I’m not interested in windows 11 at all

 

Do yourself a favor.
Search "God Mode" for control panel and follow the instructions.
Control panel will never be a concern again...god mode kicks bootay.

 

In some particular cases yes - i.e. I need WMR support, LTSC doesn’t have that, though I haven’t tries LTSC with MS store installed.

 

Disable TPM, Secure Boot and RAM requirements for Windows 11 with the latest Rufus beta

 

Not the smartest you can do if you know your own best

Microsoft try everything to legitimate why they scrapped 3 years old pc's from Win 11 update. What a joke. They will go over dead bodies to sell own HW touch/pen book junk.


Microsoft demoes hacker attacks on PCs with no TPM, VBS, and more neowin.net · 5 hours ago

After explaining why features like TPM 2.0, VBS, Secure Boot, among other things, are so important for user security on Windows 11, Microsoft also demoed mock hacker attacks on such vulnerable PCs.

The company though has defended its position and recently, David Weston, Partner Director of Enterprise and OS Security at Microsoft, explained why these features have played a key role in ensuring a secure experience for Windows 11 users.

 

I get the RDP exploit but other attacks needs physical access. Did anyone notice XPS was used for GP testing, dunno if MSFT wanted to show how insecure dell bios is/was.

 

Think twice about upgrading to Windows 11 – Here’s what’s going wrong | Komando.com

I've never understood the inordinate amount of fear and drama around vulnerabilities that require physical access to the computer. If an experienced hacker has physical access to your computer, you have plenty of things to be concerned about beyond exploit vulnerabilities, including personal choices about the company you keep, LOL. That, or your system has been stolen and its anyone's guess what will happen with that scenario.

 

It still sad that some people online are still shilling for Win 11.

 

I understand why buying an Apple product is attractive to some people. It makes total sense that ease of use and an absence of complexity makes many consumers happy. It doesn't make their products (OS, software or hardware) any less unacceptable to me. They have nothing to offer that is attractive to me aesthetically or functionally. Everything they represent as a company is at odds with my point of view, technically and philosphically.

Yes, it is very sad, but totally expected. Haters are gonna hate. Shills are gonna shill. Smart people will say no, and then explain why no means no. Being new has no bearing whatsoever on acceptability, or the lack of acceptability, when a person possesses common sense.

 

Seven things we hate about Windows 11 windowscentral.com | Oct 11, 2021

Windows 11 is here and it's not perfect. Here's what we don't care for so far.

Windows 11 Lets You Move the Taskbar to the Left or Right, But It’s Broken htg.com | Oct 11, 2021

Brother printers may not work in Windows 11 if connected via USB bleepingcomputer.com | Oct 11, 2021
Brother is warning that many of their printers may no longer work or display errors when using a USB connection in Windows 11.

Windows 11 is not compatible with apps using non-ASCII characters in the registry winaero.com

On October 5, 2021, when Microsoft launched Windows 11, the company also published a list of known issues in the new operating system. Customers affected by those bugs are not receiving Windows 11 via Windows Update unless they apply a workaround or receive a fix. Initially, the list of known issues in Windows 11 contained a bug related to the Cốc Cốc browser. Now Microsoft updated it with more information about the underlying problem.


And the pc users that don't want it. Has to be reminded about their new Apple copy cat....

Microsoft is now offering Windows 11 via Windows 10 OOBE windowslatest.com - October 9, 2021

Windows 11 is now available for eligible PCs, but only some users are seeing the option to download the new operating system when they check for updates on Windows 10. That's because Windows 11 is being rolled out in stages and rollout is expected to end by the summer of next year.

See also Winaero's article... Microsoft now shows Windows 11 upgrade offer right in Windows 10 setup
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...d-announcements.826887/page-102#post-11123044

Yep...


Ps. See also my advice here... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-owners-lounge.826831/page-2401#post-11123041

 

What I find really amazing is how the Kool-Aid drinkers even comment how the Windows Setup "looks nicer" LOL... as if that matters even a tiny bit
Anyone thinking about downgrading to Windows 11 should watch this video first.

 

The more they drink, the more they don't understand.

Windows 11 widespread Taskbar, Upgrade & installation issues baffle PC owners thewincentral.com - October 8, 2021

 

Maybe it would be best to let people know the best way to intentionally invoke this issue rather than resolve it. It seems like a good "issue" to have, but maybe the silly folks that want Windoze 11 want all of the ugliness part of it.

 

Windows 11 is especially horrible if you have a Ryzen CPU. Start the video at the time linked in the image below, or click this link.

 

Microsoft latest and safest OS ever. Newer has to be better? Huh The race to bottom start with Win 10. And end with Win 11. Of course they need harsher HW requirements.

Probably a typo. Should be 40

Microsoft Windows Security Updates October 2021 overview

And worse it become Yesterday was the first Patch Tuesday for Windows 11. I wonder what else they will breake in the work fixing the Ryzen problems.

First Windows 11 Patch Tuesday apparently makes Ryzen perform way worse than before
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-11-21h2-build-10-0-22000.836962/#post-11123341

First Windows 11 Patch Tuesday Makes Ryzen L3 Cache Latency Worse, AMD Puts Out Fix Dates

If rumors surrounding the late-October/early-November launch dates of 12th Gen Intel Core "Alder Lake" processors are true, then the situation with these patches will have a direct impact on AMD. Processor reviewers will be compelled to use Windows 11 for their Core "Alder Lake" testing, as the new operating system supposedly has greater awareness of the heterogeneous core design. The switch to Windows 11 will force a re-bench of all processors, including the AMD Ryzen chips. With AMD cautioning of an up to 15% performance hit from the added cache latency and Preferred Cores bugs, results of AMD processors in 12th Gen Core launch reviews could be affected. It is advisable for AMD to reach out to the press with these patches immediately, if they are ready.

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Edit. Updated Rufus doesn't mean you have to install Win 11
Rufus 3.16 [Update: Final] with improved Windows 11 support, even without TPM and Secure Boot

• Rufus 3.16 Portable (1.1 MB)

 

The solution is to not downgrade to a crappy operating system just because it is newer. If people do not do that everything will be fine. If they embrace the filth, then they have only themselves to blame for acting in a stupid and irresponsible manner. Let's leave that bad behavior up to the Redmond reprobates since they seem to have perfected their incompetence at a level suggesting they have it down to a science.

 

Windows 11: Microsoft's pointless update computerworld.com
After a couple of weeks using the beta and a week with the final version of Windows 11, I've yet to find a real reason to use it.

Here's my bottom line. I don't see enough good in Windows 11 to make it worth your time to upgrade. Windows 11 doesn't bring me one iota closer to anything I love. It's just a dull, mildly annoying update that I can happily skip (the editor is far too modest in his final conclusion).

Pointless really is a good word for it.

Stick with Windows 10 for now. Eventually, you'll have to buy a new PC with Windows 11, but there's no need to rush into it. If you really feel like you want something different, and potentially better, might I suggest

Linux Mint, a Chromebook, or Windows 365 Cloud PC?

 

5 Ways Windows 11’s Taskbar Is Worse Than Windows 10’s