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    Windows 7 installation help for Intel Skylake and Kaby Lake laptops

    Discussion in 'Windows OS and Software' started by Atom Ant, Apr 13, 2017.

  1. cincinnatus

    cincinnatus Notebook Enthusiast

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    Sad to hear that.

    Do you have any yellow alert in "device manager"? (except the touchpad).

    I would install Windows 7 drivers (I got mine from the previous laptop model that supported it) and avoid Windows 10 drivers (even if they install fine).

    This is what I would try, let us know if it gets any better...
     
  2. Atom Ant

    Atom Ant Hello, here I go again

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    Have you used my modded driver that I linked in my first post? You should not experience any performance loss with it.
     
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    So is it possible to install 7 on an i5 8300h with a 1050 on a h370m chip? I keep on getting conflicting opinions saying that no you can't or you need a pci controller or something else.
     
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    Atom Ant Hello, here I go again

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    No drivers for I5-8300H exist yet, so you have to go with Windows 10.
     
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    Unfortunately no. I tried everything I could for the last few months before giving up on this.
     
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    Please help, the intel hd 630 driver causes me a blackscreen after I reboot, no matter which driver I try to install, always does the same thing.
     
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    It worked before?
    And you are sure you haven’t got new updates from Microsoft?
     
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    never worked, I am using win7 sp1 image. literally this is the last step in configuring my blade to run win7, I even managed to get the i2c touchpad to work!

    Edit
    Upon further investigation, everything works via HDMI out.....just the internal display seems to be having problems. No problems in device manager when connected over hdmi, anybody run into something like this before?
     
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  9. Atom Ant

    Atom Ant Hello, here I go again

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    Which version driver are you using, modded by who? Also which generation is your CPU?
     
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    the driver that is linked in the original post. running 7700hq/hd 630
     
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    Could you please advise how did you manage to fix touchpad issues?

    I have tried everything what I have found in the internet and that is the only thing, which does not work.
    I am stuck at this point:
    After installation of this https://support.lenovo.com/pl/en/downloads/ds500434 or this https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/pl/en/...s/320-15ikb-type-81bg-81bt/downloads/ds500675 driver, the device manager looks like that:

    [​IMG]

    Translation:
    This device cannot find enough free resources that it can use. (Code 12)

    If you want to use this device, you will need to disable one of the other devices on this system.


    After installation of one of the two drivers from the top here https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=syna2b3c, it looks like that:

    [​IMG]

    Translation:

    There is no installed drivers for this device.

    Thanks in advance.
     
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  12. cincinnatus

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    What? Impossible!

    Are you sure you are using ruby lake? Is it an asus zenbook?
     
  13. cincinnatus

    cincinnatus Notebook Enthusiast

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    Raze blade pro 2017, Kaby lake, I am not mistaken. Sorry if you cannot google enough to figure out, took me a couple of hours but I got it to work.

    Did not matter in the end because I could not make graphics work in windows 7 for internal LCD, only over HDMI, so really no point for me.
     
  15. cincinnatus

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    I didn't mean to sound hostile in my reply. Sorry about that. It was the surprise.

    HID over I2C is not supported by Windows 7, see:
    https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/jj126201(v=vs.85).aspx

    That means your touchpad is not using I2C (which is what you wrote before) when working.
    I think your touchpad can be configured to use different interfaces (I2C OR the older ones) or something like that. You weren't really using I2C.

    I did google. Example:
    https://www.win-raid.com/t3802f42-I...chpad-in-Windows-Asus-Precision-Touchpad.html
     
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    It is 100000000% i2c, I helped write the patch to make it work in MacOS, Elan, Synaptics, others have generic i2c touchpad drivers that work in windows 7. Mine is run over intel i2c bus, generic synaptics, + gpio
     
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    So you wrote a driver that can access the touchpad via I2C even if it isn't handed any resources from the ACPI BIOS to communicate with it?
    Why are you not sharing this patch then?

    Stalmi321 asked for your help but you didn't answer.
    Several users have had this problem but you didn't answer.

    -___-

    .
     
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    because it is highly variable, took hours to get right, and I do not release things that I cannot personally test and verify work. If you had blaze pro 2017, I can help, otherwise, must pave your own way. Google is a great tool. Sorry

    PS: I2C trackpad has resources via ACPI/DSDT available to be accessed by windows 10, at least in the razer blade pro case. Your BIOS/ACPI tables may not, as I said, highly variable. I could not overcome my problem with intel hd 630 because of razer's special implementation of their graphics switch, many other kaby lake people have no problem
     
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    Hello, I have the same problem as the user Stalmi321.Only needs a driver for touchpad. My laptop is Asus ROG Strix Gl503VD on which I installed Windows 7. I miss only driver for touchpad I2C. I tried everywhere I installed various drivers did not give anything. I care about that touchpad on the mouse is hard to get used to. I knew in the device manager that the device is ELAN 1200. When I installed one driver from Synaptics, the touchpad started to react to the finger movements but did not quite work as it should work (the mouse ran away in different directions) I'm waiting for answers will it be possible to arrange such a driver.
     
  20. Atom Ant

    Atom Ant Hello, here I go again

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    Just figure out if you can live without touchpad. Otherwise for Windows 7 I reccommend Dell. There drivers can be found for machines up to 7th gen Intel processors.
     
  21. Vasudev

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    Try windows update catalog for updated drivers. For i2c keyword should HID device and SMBUS driver for older technology.
     
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    I've tried even in windows update. When I install the driver, the mouse escapes to the sides of the touchpad reacts to finger movements LPM and PPM works but when he wants to run his finger over the tile, the mouse starts to run and does not work properly. The only option is to wait until someone modifies this driver As I said in the device manager in the device I2C pops up the hardware ID as: ELAN 1200 I tried with the Dell driver also installed from Synaptic and continue the same.
     
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    Is something already known or is there a touchpad driver available?
     
  24. Atom Ant

    Atom Ant Hello, here I go again

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    I’ve found a possible Coffe Lake IGP driver for Windows 7.

    UHD Graphics 630 for Windows7/8.0/8.1 x64

    I did not tested, because I do not have Coffe Lake laptop, but if some of you would, I would appreciate that.

    Source, Reddit

    Update,
    Found some russian source, which indicate it is working!
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    At the end, seems they even solved the USB driver issue too.

    So finally something promising, I may will have one more Windows laptop with Coffe Lake CPU.
     
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  25. kroko

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    Hi all, so far I've successfully installed Windows 7 on Acer Aspire V17 Nitro - the only drivers I couldn't find are those for the audio, Intel SST or something, but currently I'm trying to mod the win10 drivers. Also on MSI GT73 - no issues with this one, I was even using some of the Win 10 drivers form MSI.

    Both laptops are configured to work in legacy mode and I used the gigabyte's tool to update the drivers in the USB drive. Now I'm trying to install Windows 7 on Acer Predator Helios 500, but this machine does not have "Legacy mode". So I made an Win7 UEFI USB drive using rufus and tried to update the USB drivers again using gigabyte's tool but no luck - ends up with a message like "failed to update/load" or something. When I try to install windows, the USB drive is detected but after loading files nothing happens, the windows icon and "starting" or "welcome" are displayed forever.

    The ISO I am using for the UEFI installation is different from the one used in the legacy installations because rufus was giving me only the option to create MBR/CSM USB drive. So maybe the problem is within the new ISO I'm using and will try different one. And I just found this thread and will try the Asus EZInstaller instead of the gigabyte's one.

    But still wonder why gigabyte's tool couldn't load the new drivers? Does it matter if I'm using USB 2.0 or USB 3.0/3.1 drive? Does it has to be MBR/CMS bootable drive for these tools to work? Also, does anyone knows how to manually make an UEFI bootable drive from non-UEFI one? If possible how to manually add the newer drivers? Or confirmed ISO for UEFI installation? Any help will be appreciated.
     
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    Holly ****! If that UHD630 driver is working for Windows 7, I buy a new Dell G series too :cool: :) :rolleyes:
     
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    Once Dell reps hear that they will ship BIOS update via Windows update to get rid of that driver and force you to W10.
     
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    The MSI GT73 on which I installed Windows 7 is running i7 7820HK Kaby Lake CPU. I can't tell you right now the driver version because currently the machine is used by my sister but if you want I will ask her to check it. But I can confirm that the machine is running fine when booted with the iGPU. I installed the driver using iobit's driver booster and I think that this program doesn't have an option to download and save them, but you can use other programs like SlimDriverFree or drp.su or look for the downloads in localappdata folder.
     
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    Regarding "full" UEFI installation of Windows 7 on Acer Predator Helios 500 which does not have Legasy/CSM option/support in it's BIOS. It's the Ryzen model and I'm not sure if the Intel ones has this option, but moreover as I was reading some threads about Lunux installations on this laptop, thing are changing it newer BIOS updates. And I think that in the future we will see more and more laptops configured only for UEFI installations. I hope that the GT73 and this Acer will serve me long enough until we get Win 10 replacement OS. For this particular machine already ordered BIOS programmer thanks to this guy and I will try to unlock some BIOS features and see if there is a hidden legacy support.

    For the moment I'm trying to install Windows without CSM. The reason my installation is freezing after loading files is that not all component drivers were updated for legacy-free. In particular Windows 7's video drivers require the CSM because it is using classic VGA output. For UEFI GOP is required. Maybe when Windows 7 was released, GOProtocol wasn't mature and couldn't be used. According to this article by AMD from 2011 LCD backlight adjustment are not supported by GOP.

    Strange thing is that I was able to install Windows 7 using some random ISO, it had integrated updates untill 2016 and didn't require USB driver updates to start the installation. But after first reboot loading freezes again on windows logo.

    The reason why Gigabyte and Asus tools can't update drivers in UEFI bootable USB drive is that when install.wim is larger that 4GB (max size for FAT32), the tools creating the UEFI USB drive like Rufus are splitting install.wim it into several .swm files which can't be modified.

    I found this forum with very useful info about installing Windows 7 on UEFI systems with GOP, might help someone. Their approach is to install specific GPU drivers but in think that it's more appropriate if we mod Windows 7 to use GOP and I'm sure that it's possible or even some releases support GOP - found this video . By the way, isn't Mr.Fox forum member?

    According to this document Windows Server 2008 R2 (which is based on the same sources as Windows 7) does support GOP so it may be used to figure out what has to be copied/modified in Windows 7 installation to support GOP. I will try to find Windows Server 2008 R2 ISO and install it in UEFI mode without CSM just to confirm it's working.
     
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    Yes, that is our beloved @Mr. Fox video.
     
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    Are the Dell reps paid off by Microsoft to not do any compatibility with Windows 7?
     
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    Windows 7 is on EOL list and once you're having issues you're on your own! But the same thing applies on W10 when W10 certified driver doesn't work on win 10!!!
     
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    What is this UEFI thing actually? We can still install Windows 7 on 8th gen Intel laptops or?
    Somebody gonna try that new IGP driver? I'm very interested too!
     
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    Atom Ant Hello, here I go again

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    So nobody tries that driver? Hmm, I have the feeling Im gonna be again the guinea pig...
    The second thing that bothers me, if I can install Windows 7 on these modern hardware, why cannot I make Vista to boot? I’d like to use Vista, because that is even better looking OS than Win 7.
     
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    I had the same problem with my P870KM1-G, please look here, maybe Acer BIOS case is the same (ability to mod).
    As for modding Win7 installation to make it work (VGA mode drivers with UEFI/GOP for installer and boot), yes it`s possible but risky and kind of last resort option.
     
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    Atom Ant Hello, here I go again

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    Yes, now we are collecting here the last options and your input can be usefull for others. Bugging it is so difficult to install Windows 7 on these new hardware. Especially bugging Windows 7 not even an old OS. In Windows 7’s main time was easy to install older OS, like every Win 7 machine could run Windows XP perfectly.
     
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    whether you already know something about the I2C touchpad driver up to w7
     
  41. Atom Ant

    Atom Ant Hello, here I go again

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    Just received my new Coffe Lake based Dell XPS 9570 with Windows 10. Terrible 3DMark11 score, straight out of the box.
    [​IMG]

    The laptop definiately needs Windows 7 for to eliminate problems. Let’s see if I can install and make it good at driver vise! I’ll be back in few days...
     
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    Don't forget to install the KB3064209 update for Windows 7. It's the only Intel CPU microcode update MS released for Win7 and it may be useful on modern Intel CPUs like Skylake and Kaby Lake
     
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    Atom Ant Hello, here I go again

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    Damn, i’m already stuck by booting from pendrive with blue screen error “the bios in this system is not fully acpi compliant”.
    I did choose legacy and disabled secure boot. Not sure what else I miss... Any idea?
     
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    Its blocked. You can't run old OS on new HW, I myself tried XP SP3 on broadwell and had same issue. Use Windows 10 19H1 or LTSC version in trial mode for best results. I'm on 19H1 and its works for now unless they break it upon release!
     
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    Atom Ant Hello, here I go again

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    I do not like beeing blocked. I will try a different method, a hardware trick. I just need to wait for the part.
     
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    Still pissed intel HD 630 will never work on my internal display, only via thunderbolt or HDMI :(
     
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    I hate to dredge up the past, but did you ever manage to get working audio drivers for the Nitro?
     
  48. Atom Ant

    Atom Ant Hello, here I go again

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    Damn, I’m might failed to install Windows 7 for Dell XPS 9570 (i’ve already sold with that garbage Windows 10), but I will be back with an XPS 9560 with I7-7700HQ. Probably it will be one of the most recent hardware to support Windows 7.
     
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    Isn’t 6th gen Intel last gen processors supporting Win 7 officially?
     
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    Officially yes. Than the 7th gen worked also with an igp driver trick, while the 8th gen did not have igp driver for very long. Recently I’ve found a hacked driver, which I’ve wanted to test, but could not manage the laptop to that level.
     
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