Windows7/8 - Updates to hide to prevent Windows 10 Upgrade / Disable Telemetry

The main advocate of monitoring society. He will most likely develop telemetry that are impossible to trace. Wait and see.
http://hothardware.com/news/bill-gates-seeks-middle-ground-in-iphone-dispute
No wonder this ↓↓↓ man ↓↓↓ wants most of Telemetry in Win X

<Access to the information> Ha Ha

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/3559f46e-d9c5-11e5-98fd-06d75973fe09.html?

Even more junk from Redmond http://www.pcworld.com/article/3037...-begin-with-rise-of-the-tomb-raider-push.html
<Full-screen ads invade the Windows 10 lock screen, but you can turn them off>. NOW Yeah. BUT WHAT in FuTuRe?
As one in the comments said... The downward spiral continues!!! Then I say... We haven't seen the beginning yet .

After 29 july you most likely have to pay for ads. Nice with new Os. HaHa

 

Excellent. lol

 

I have Windows Update checking off, "Never check", and went to do the weekly manual check, but started GWX Control Panel to put it in monitoring mode first should MS decide to take the opportunity to mess with Update settings again.

And, GWX Control Panel found the Windows 10 download folder again, I clicked to clear it - sorry I should have taken a screen shot of GWX first showing the folder - and now it looks good again, so says GWX status.

Spoiler

Just a heads up to check GWX to see if you have the Windows 10 download folder again too, it seems this can happen even with Windows Update set to never check automatically for updates.

 

MS's antics continue. After clearing the Windows 10 download folder, I ran Windows Update, and it error'd out - RED - so I rebooted - usually that helps clear it.

After I rebooted I tried Windows Update again, and it errored out again, and I then clicked the MS help blue link, and it asked me to download "WindowsUpdateDiagnostic.diagcab" and run it.

It chugged along for a while, and came up with this result:

Spoiler

And, I rebooted - always a good idea after MS troubleshooter runs -
I checked GWX to see if any Windows Update changes showed up, nothing changed according to GWX - and ran Windows Update again.

Microsoft unhid KB3035583 again... with a *new* version - shows published 2/23/2016

Spoiler

I re-hid KB3035583 again and re-ran Windows Update, and it came up "No Updates".

MS is still pushing heavily on the forced Windows 10 Upgrade.

Get Windows 10 patch KB 3035583 suddenly reappears on Win7/8.1 PCs
02/24/2016
http://www.infoworld.com/article/30...3035583-suddenly-reappears-on-win781-pcs.html

Spoiler

"Around noon Pacific time on Tuesday, I started receiving notices from Windows 7 and 8.1 users that the old, dreaded Get Windows 10 patch KB 3035583 had returned. As of early Wednesday morning, neither the official Windows Update list nor the KB article itself mention a new release. It appears Microsoft simply shipped it out again and didn't bother to tell anybody.

No doubt you recall KB 3035583 -- a patch better described as adware, or a "potentially unwanted program." It first appeared last March, titled "Update enables additional capabilities for Windows Update notifications in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1." We didn't figure out until a week later that it was in fact dropping the Get Windows 10 (GWX) installation subsystem."
...
"As I explained in January, running KB 3035583 creates a new GWX folder with five programs in it, and it starts seven processes in Task Scheduler. The DisableGWX entry only prevents the Get Windows 10 icon from appearing in the system folder; it doesn't disable GWX in any other way.

Uninstalling KB 3035583 doesn't uninstall the GWX subsystem, nor does it delete any files that Microsoft may have preloaded on your PC.

Then, as now, the only reasonable way to wipe out the Get Windows 10 subsystem is by running Mayfield's GWX Control Panel.

More stealthy programs dropped on paying customers' PCs -- how could anyone trust Microsoft after this GWX debacle?"

 

Yikes...definitely no updating for me...this is exactly what I wanted to avoid...the communism....

Thanks for sharing! Hope it's all under control.

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Its still hidden for me under Win8.1 and no autosearch. Guess I got lucky. Its a good idea to regularly check the anti gwx app.
Maybe Phoenix's hosts file is saving me ? Who knows

 

It looks like MS's antics have inspired the Android OS guys to move into the x86 PC realm, with the beginnings of an Android OS based x86 Windows Desktop alternative, Remix OS.

Jide Remix OS for PC Beta - Available Free March 1st
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/jide-remix-os-for-pc-beta-available-free-march-1st.788702/

 

Got this served again today, https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/kb/3035583

 

I had exactly the same happen to one of my machines today, set to 'Never check for updates' (and I'd cleaned out all the Win 10 malware) - left running this afternoon and for some mysterious reason a $Windows.BT~ folder reappeared. IMO this is a blatent invasion of privacy and I can't believe they are acting like this. How on earth can this be allowed to happen? I wont be upgrading anytime soon and taking measures to stop this happening again.

 

@hmscott @Woodking @6730b
Did you guys have any of those bad updates installed and then uninstalled before starting to use GWX Control Panel and hiding bad updates ?
Would be interesting if it left traces that cause your current phenomen. My KB 3035583 is still hidden, but I just recently installed Win8.1 and hid the bad updates directly.

 

I did and thought I'd cleaned up properly but it seems not judging by the reappearance of this folder. All the Win x telemetry updates have been removed and hidden but I must have missed something. Back to the drawing board it seems.

My sources for removing/hiding updates are this forum and a couple of others and seemed very concise.

GWX Control Panel is running on my machine now

 

It worries me too, how is this happening with Windows Updates set to *Never* run?

What mechanism, hidden apparently, is running in the background getting info from Microsoft to change these Windows 10 GWX (Get Windows 10) upgrades??

Even GWX Control Panel changes aren't stopping it, but it is detecting it and removing the "infection" after the fact.

This just goes to show, MS runs lots of stuff they aren't telling us about - or providing control over - that communicates between our PC's and MS behind our backs.

The question is, was this mechanism always there?, or did MS sneak this new level of behavior in to Windows 8.1/7 after Windows 10 - as a KB not labeled to include the surreptitious payload we are seeing the results from now.

MS needs to clean this all up.

It's going to take a concerted sincere effort by MS, maybe even another new CEO / leader to bring back our confidence in MS.

 

It's possible. For my recent Windows 8.1 reload I didn't have time to do it cleanly, I installed everything and uninstalled using the DWS app and Aegis scripts.

But, this is how most everyone else has been doing it as well. Run the script after the fact. Early on I recommended not installing, and hiding them manually at the input queue side of Windows Update, but it is a time consuming PIA.

Before my reload I was catching them in the input queue to be installed, and hiding them manually before they were installed. But when doing a recovery restore, and then needing to update from scratch, it's a daunting waste of time.

It's possible the bad stuff didn't get uninstalled when the KB's are uninstalled - as has been noted for KB3035583 - uninstall doesn't remove everything.

The KB3035582 update has been re-released many times, on version 10 now, and every time a new version is released it looks different to Windows Update - publish date is different - so it will come in even though you have hidden it before.

 

Hard work paid off
Ill admit I missed one telemetry update though. GWX Controll app didnt react to it either. I ran the uninstall script in first post as safety measure and it found it

 

Afaik, I haven't seen the get windows 10 "bug" since making the necessary change in Group Policy (for Win 8.1 pro).


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I haven't noticed any either on Windows 8.1 Pro ... then again I've never updated anything LOL...

Ok so honest to goodness question....what benefits has anyone experienced with any updates from MS?

The way I see it, there are surely some updates that are compromised with a bug in there that we're not able to see....very likely to contain a retro-MS-communist-bug that leaves things vulnerable for a back door like with these sneak attacks we're seeing.

Therefore, again, beside to some security and patches (as they claim)...what benefits are there? (Honest question....)

 

I don't think they want their customer's confidence - just their resigned and unknowing dependence.

I haven't had any hiccups on Win 7 Home. GWX is still running, and I do weekly manual checks for updates. I will continue hiding KB3035583 until it kills me!

 

GWX Control Panel doesn't do anything with Telemetry, it's only job is keeping Microsoft's "Get Windows 10" from gaining a foothold

For Telemetry blocking, KB's uninstall, IP's/hosts/IP Range blocking, and background tasks stopping, use these for Windows 7/8.1/10 :

Destroy Windows Spying Final
**Note for Windows 7 - use Professional mode and uncheck SP1 KB976932 removal, or you will need to go through 100's of individual KB re-installs - basically unrolling the SP1 service pack to individual KB's
**Note for Windows 10 - watch for Windows Update corruption - only one reported case, but be aware Spybot Anti-Beacon can fix this by enabling/disabling Windows Update in Anti-Beacon.
**Check Facebook / Twitter for next generation DWS development info
http://dws.wzor.net/
https://github.com/Nummer/Destroy-Windows-10-Spying
https://twitter.com/nummerok

Aegis scripts - use the newest beta for latest KB's to uninstall
https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/853510

Spybot Anti-Beacon
https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/

Windows Privacy Tweaker - Phrozen Software
https://www.phrozensoft.com/2015/09/windows-privacy-tweaker-4

 

It depends on what patch level your Windows 8.1 came with... there were lots of patches for about 6 months after Windows 8.1 release that fixed real problems - along with Nvidia updates that worked with those Windows 8.1 changes that brought stability to the OS/GPU.

So, yeah, stop taking updates, from as far back as possible to avoid the Windows annoyances as much as possible

 

What about Windows Update KB's, are you not installing or uninstalling them as they arrive?

The policy setting doesn't completely stop GWX from loading it's wares, tasks, processes.

Get Windows 10 patch KB 3035583 suddenly reappears on Win7/8.1 PCs
02/24/2016
http://www.infoworld.com/article/30...3035583-suddenly-reappears-on-win781-pcs.html

"As I explained in January, running KB 3035583 creates a new GWX folder with five programs in it, and it starts seven processes in Task Scheduler. The DisableGWX entry only prevents the Get Windows 10 icon from appearing in the system folder; it doesn't disable GWX in any other way.

Uninstalling KB 3035583 doesn't uninstall the GWX subsystem, nor does it delete any files that Microsoft may have preloaded on your PC.

Then, as now, the only reasonable way to wipe out the Get Windows 10 subsystem is by running Mayfield's GWX Control Panel. "

You might want to run the installer or standalone version of GWX Control Panel and see what it finds...
http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

 

Oh no, Im aware. I meant to say I just ran that app and since it said all was fine I called it a day. Luckily that uninstall script caught my mistake.

 

There are some interesting and useful tools there, thanks for the links. I've now got neighbours asking me how to remove the updates as their pcs are really slow and a couple who want to go back to Windows 7 as they don't like 10 and feel they can't live with it.

I wonder if M$ would be open to some feedback regarding this as they shoudn't be allowed to get away with forcing updates onto your legetimate Win 7/8 machines that you've paid hard earned money for including the software on it that you own. Updates to prevent the software being compromised is fine but this way of attempting to force their new OS onto your machine without any choice (other than to use a third party tool) is an abuse of their position IMHO - its just plain unethical. Not to mention its very annoying!

 

Hello, was naive and used to trust MS. Got caught out at the start of " Operation Barbarossa", GWX and more invaded some of my pc's. Anger, reading, learning, spending time, then uninstalling, deleting, cleaning, looks sucessful.

Am not using any addons ftm, just keeping pc's clean by treating anything and all offered by MS with suspicion. All well so far.

 

Great stuff...it's always good to be proactive.

Have you noticed any benefits what so ever with the updates? I have a little HP on W8.1Pro as well and have applied all the updates on it for giggles just to see for myself.....benefits? Absolutely ZERO. I'll still be leaving my AW17R3 plain without any updates to prevent having to deal with any communist attacks that are highly likely implemented in the updates that seem innocent, which is an oxymoron in itself to use the world innocent + MS together.

 

Can Micro$Morons force their new OS onto your machine without any choice after the free upgrade period that end 29 July? Or maybe they will prolong the free upgrade period?

 

Haha, Im imagining how the system would silently update to Win 10 and you are prompted to buy a Win 10 license or revert to Win 7, only to have this happen again if you choose to revert. Or worse, the system breaking during the process x)

It would be a funny sight to behold.

 

That's a good question. Will MS issue new KB revisions of the "bad" KB's so as to stop the insanity after the free upgrade period has past?

Will the current versions "time out" at that date and stop pestering to Upgrade?

Will there be a grace period after the final date if your system boots on those KB's and goes to download?

Will MS simply take down the links and you will get an installation failure, or a message that says, "You missed out on the free Upgrade!"

MS Upgrade KB's may morph from pestering to upgrade for free to pestering to upgrade for $$.

Maybe we will get push ad's:

"Upgrade to Windows 10 for only $XX for the next 24 hours!!"

Something to look forward to

 

I recommend the following two Windows Updates be added to the list of hidden updates:
KB3138612 - Windows Update Client for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2: March 2016
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3138612

KB3138615 - Windows Update Client for Windows 8.1 and Windows Server 2012 R2: March 2016
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3138615

Also, please note Microsoft has again released, for the 18th time, KB2952664, the compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7 to Windows10. KB2976978, which upgrades Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 to Windows 10, was also re-released (21st revision).

 

where have you seen any proof that those updates are bad?

 

Never mind, found it

http://www.infoworld.com/article/30...eissues-kb-2952664-kb-2976978-kb-2977759.html

 

KB3138612 & KB3138615 Added to the list and batch file updated

 

Disable All Telemetry... Don't be the Rhino

Spoiler

 

Maybe MS is late with the updates this week?, or are there really no Windows Updates for Windows 8.1?

It is patch Tuesday, but I don't see any updates available after running Windows Update.

Could it be MS is giving up??!!

Is MS tired of coming up with subterfuge to push Windows 10 Upgrades and Telemetry on us unsuspecting Windows 8.1/7 owners?

Don't Give Up MS, you can do it!!

Damn, they heard me, found 11 important and 1 optional update just now... sigh, Hidden till I have time to check them out.

 

Still no reappearing KB3035583 with disabled Updates on my fairly fresh install.
Seems like somethings working for once

 

I just re-ran it again, someone posted a thread seeing 11+1 updates (important+optional) on Windows 8.1, so I re-ran Windows Update, and I see them now too.

All Hidden, until I can take the time to check them all out later.

 

According to the following column, Microsoft has included a "Get Windows 10" ad generator inside the March, 2016 Internet Explorer security patch for Windows 7 and Windows 8.1. If true, this is OUTRAGEOUS!! Microsoft will even corrupt security patches to push Windows 10 onto computers.

The March, 2016 IE Security patch is KB3139929 but the ad-generating routine is KB3146449. KB3139929 installs KB3146449; KB3146449 is not installed separately and cannot be uninstalled separately. To uninstall KB3146449, a user must install KB3139229.

http://www.infoworld.com/article/30...pdate-is-not-a-security-update.html?nsdr=true

 

Ouch....even more of a reason to avoid any updates all together from the start.

This is getting absolutely redicuous....SMH.... where's the sense of security? M$ = None.



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I seriously am finding it very hard and tiresome to keep up with this list guys, this needs a lot of man power

Security Update MS16-023 installs new “Get Windows 10” functionality

 

KB3146449 & KB3139929 added to the list and batch file updated

 

@ Phoenix I had to sign-up and log-in just to tell you DON'T GIVE UP! I've been following this thread since December of last year after finding out about m$ recent exploits mostly regarding pushing people that have older OS onto Windows 10. I watch this specific thread and always keep an eye out for what updates to avoid. I use GWS, keep a simple host txt file updated, and run the updated batch at least every time the updates show their ugly heads. Me most like most people don't know enough to decide what and even where to start regarding what each and every update does to your pre-Win10 OS. All I know is I want it to stay that way. THANK YOU for everything you do. Keep it up and don't stop the fight against M$ & WIN10. Knowledge is POWER!

 

What needs to happen is for there to be a site where all the devs can work on one project, along with the ability for users (in an organized fashion) to enter kb / update info with details...

And no, a forum doesn't cut it as info just gets buried and makes it hard for devs to keep up, let alone users.

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Edited

Just saw it in other post

Thanks who said to embed them in a security update

 

Maybe a multi-user editable excel sheet on google docs could be used for everyone to contribute to what updates to avoid? A column with notes explaining why an update should be avoided of course.

 

And, now Microsoft has done the same thing, embedding Ad hosting software in innocent looking Windows Updates for Windows 10...

What about Windows 7/8.1, are those MS Malware Ad hosting software ad's planned for us too?

 

That's an idea in a positive direction. I would include to keep it locked to members only to weed out any spammers. Perhaps have a master chart/sheet that only the devs can update so that we know it is credible and not tampered with.

 

I wouldn't be surprised at all...
Spend $200 on OS, get ads...

 

@Phoenix is sitting right here

Maybe ask him if he would like some help maintaining the list, or assist him in some way to off-load him a bit. Via PM.

That way he can maintain control over the distribution through Post #1 here, but get some help putting things together.

 

Newb alert. First, hats off to Phoenix... huge props to Phoenix and the many others who have contributed to this thread. It's the best I've found.

A couple questions -I made it to about page#10. Tomorrow I will be reading every single post as I have taken my Windows 10 machine (factory installed Win 10) to a shop to have a clean Win7 Pro Installed. Im upgrading a SSD card as my c:drive , so I figure now or never. Win 10 stinks. Its still buggy, and I loathe the telemetry/privacy issues. Enough back story.

Questions:
1 - What do the Updates #s noted in Purple on Page#1 indicate? Sorry, I haven't had time to read the whole thread and I probably overlooked why they were noted in Purple (to the right of pg1 screenshots).

2 - Hopefully my machine will be cool with a Win 7 (Upgrade to me). Hah, but I guess a downgrade per MS.

So secondly, does anyone have any advice to make this daunting, Win7 Update configuration, 75 page thread fixes less time consuming? I loathe Win10 and am prepared to read every single post if I need (but maybe there is a shortcut hidden in these 75 pages)? 3rd part sh*t, ehhh... if it's proven and you vouge for it Id consider it.

Again, I was confused by those Purple highlighted updates -so if I do all these steps 1 by 1 (will that F*** something up by page #34?). Sorry for a long, newb post. Sincerly, this thread is SO valuable... sorry, not blowing smoke ip any 4ss here... I applaud all contributors for their entries and work here. I hope I too can add to this thread in time.

Im starting from scratch, 64bit, HP Envy 750-114 Desktop, SanDisk SSD Card for my C: and Backup D:. 6th Gen Intel Core i5-6400 Processor. (specs likely unnecessary -but Im still unsure if Win7Pro will take to the Win10 Factory Install & hardware).

Any advice before I undertake 75 pages, point by point, from this awesomely informative thread? I'm happy to do it, but maybe there's an updated zip on page 60? You get the gist.

Again, thanks for all the info. (best thread on this topic I've found, bar none).

Riley

 

The updates in purple (they look blue to me ) are simply links to the KB articles of those updates and what they do.

As a shortcut, when you get your machine, run Windows update, install all updates, only security updates first, then reboot, then install all other updates then reboot, don't do them together

Then check for more updates and as they appear, install them

Once you are done with everything, run the batch file to uninstall all the bad ones in one go, then leave your system idle for 30 mins to ensure full removal of the updates then reboot. Search for updates again, then hide all the ones that reappear by right clicking on each one

Finally, disable windows update and only run it manually once every other week while checking against the list of bad updates to make sure you do not install any of the bad ones.

 

I'd advise you to go through the hassle and directly hide the bad updates as they appear. Apparently some bad updates leave traces behind that potentially bring issues such as hidden updates reappearing in the list even though Windows Update was turned off. One other user reported that Win 10 was still getting downloaded with all bad updates hidden.

There's no direct proof, this is just from observation.