*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

@mobile96
I got someone to run some test on the 9900K in the P775TM1. I'll post it in the Over clocking thread as to not clutter this one up.

 

Back in 2000 when I studied Material Engineering, we toyed with this idea, to transfer the heat from CPU/GPU back to the system transforming it to electric current. Not sure how far it has evolved since, but it's worth revisiting for sure! Damn, my hands are getting itchy...

 

The biggest challenge is what to do with the hot side. But, looks like Cooler Master is releasing a CLC that uses it. https://www.pcworld.com/article/3278282/computers/cooler-master-thermoelectric-cooler.html

There was another CLC kind of like it a few years ago that never took off: https://www.legitreviews.com/the-coolit-eliminator-cpu-cooler-review_473

 

that thing would be awesome if properly built into a laptop and with the condensation problem fixed (just dreaming^^)

 

The problem here is that all of the available solutions direct the heat outside to another block, then transform it. Not only that, they require a lot of additional power to just run it. In theory it would be way more efficient and elegant to make it work just from the heat produced by CPU/GPU. Dynamic closed system. The hotter your chips get, the faster it transfers the heat back to electric current. And not to dismiss the possibility of extending the battery life (but who cares about that now). Making an appropriate dynamic voltage regulator would be huge endeavor on its own though.
And for all the excess heat that you can't avoid - just slap a couple of these in the right direction, closer to the fans and radiators.

 

That's why the portable AC unit it the perfect solution for laptops and the water chiller is the perfect solution for desktops. Super-simple, super-effective, and not extraordinarily expensive. In both examples you get a durable product that lasts for many years and can be used on any system, new or old... nothing proprietary and no single-use waste of money involved that cannot span upgrade, after upgrade, after upgrade. And, neither solution requires special tools, skills or knowledge to implement. It is not very often one can consider anything related to a computer as being an "investment" but both of these options come pretty close to that.

Plus, the portable AC unit provides the added benefit of keeping the user cool when the weather is hot... even when the laptop isn't being used.

 

new disassembly vid (L) vs @Papusan pic (R)


Papusan pic above: 7pipes flipped over = "8"

Spoiler: MAJIK

Video yesterday saying ES was 9900k / 2080 using a lesser 9700k / 2070 heatsink (w/ 8 pipes w/out side exhaust), my guess yesterday was there might be three heatsinks:

• 8pipes with side exhaust (7XL+)
• 8pipes w/out side exhaust (7XL)
• 7pipes w/out side exhaust
• *side exhaust* may indicate two different fan assemblies (???) as opposed to three distinct HS's, time will tell

AlienTube disassembly vid shows 7pipe version

Papusan shows pipe#6 is simply 'extra-long' = 7XL, not 8 pipes as marketed



I agree with the twitter member who advised the Aliens to put the 7XL+ heatsink on the sales page as an option --> buy it upfront now at checkout (& perhaps help conserve the world's copper supply)

Spoiler

 

Wasn't the max fan profile on the AWCC?

 

Second lieutenant Umar Khan... I was told that a 2060 HS would be different though

What gives

Edit.
From the service manual for the Area 51m. You will find pict of an unknown heatsink with one less shared pipes.

 

Here's my problem with the AW Area 51M: http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/all-in-or-budget-friendly.827357/

if you could help me that'd be awesome...^^

 

What's got me worried is if you went with the 2080 and 9700k. Do you get the 8 heat pipes with side vents or not? Not all of us need or want the 9900k.

 

Aside from the number of pipes, you should be worried about 2 major issues:
1. At least 3 pipes are small 6mm ones, which is pathetic given how much room they had...
2. 2 pipes are shared between CPU and GPU and while it's good for benching/stressing the CPU or GPU in isolation, you will cry when stressing both at the same time. The system will simply throttle down unless Dell provides a free portable AC unit to every customer. Which, if you want my opinion, should be included for free anyway given the price of the beast!

What they should have done is put 4x10mm dedicated pipes for each die. Maybe make one of them shared. Instead, they went to shave off 50gr which is negligible given the total weight of the beast.

"If only they'd built it with 6001 hulls! When will they learn!??" - P. J. Fry, Futurama S03E05

 

And i'm sure it's a safe bet that they are using the exact same heat sinks in all the A51M machines at CES. (8 Pipes)

 

Both 9700K and 9900K is 95W chips as Intel’s specs. If they throw out a less adequate heatsink due lack of HT this is the Morons way design cooling.

 

Yesterday I 3d printed a small water block. It looked good, so I'm going to proceed to print a smaller water block and see if a can mod an old HS from an old PC and just test to see if it works. All depends on how the water gets cooled so a proper contact with the fans where the air is blown out is critical. Else indeed the water will start to cook slowly. Judy like @mr.fox said

 

I have a 2070/9700k on the way. I will photo the heat sink when it arrives

 

Hi,
I checked Alienware 51m official caracteristic,
And i saw theses informations about panel:

Résolution native
1920 x 1080
Mégapixels
2,07
Pixels par pouce (PPP)
127
Taux de contraste (min)
600:1
Temps de réponse (max)
19 msec montée/descente
Taux de rafraîchissement
144 Hz

link: https://www.dell.com/support/manual...d67002-dbe2-41a9-9c65-5a1d1a3a2bdb&lang=fr-fr

IS THAT POSSIBLE contrast 600:1 ?? anyone know whitch is the fabricant of the panel?

Anyone know about ram, we can choose 2400mhz ram, is it 2400 or 2333mhz?
Because of i have an old Alienware 15R3 8go DDR4 2333mhz RAM, and i want to know if it's possible to complete 2x4go DDR4 alienware 51m with my old DRR4 8go, to obtaine 16go DDR4 and reduce the initial cost.

 

And to add to this. The machines I tested while at CES had heat coming out the back and left and right sides.

 

The same goes to clevo laptops with 9900k + 2080. they all reach near 100C and throttle like hell out of the box. nothing special, nothing new.

at the very least clevo's overheating and throttling mess comes from a solid reviewer while area-51m is still awaiting a proper solid review.

 

wrong Thread? Please not again a Clevo vs Aw discussion...

 

Prema bios lifts the temp throttle to 112C , on the P775 I tested with the 9900 and 2080, my cpu never went above 87C with heavy gaming in battlefield and black ops 4. This was at 4.8ghz. HID offers delid and better paste so it could be even better. I’ll find out when my HID P775 arrives tomorrow.


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Yeah I'm going to lock this thread until @katalin_2003 decides what needs to be done... I vote for some serious growing up.

 

I'm re-opening this thread now that we've deleted the back-and-forths. If you were involved, you know who you are.

Please make an effort to control how you react to others. The moment you start taking something personally, take a break from replying. I shouldn't have to say that.

Charles

 

Will do Brother Charles.

 

My order:
Subtotal: $3450.00
Tax: $284.60
Total: $3734.60

More details:
Original Price:
Price as configured: $4124.81
Tax $340.27
Total $4465.08
Discount: $730.48
Discount Percentage: 16.36%
Dell Advantage Rewards (6%): $224.08

I gotta hand it to Dell. I know I complained a few times in this thread, but they made it right. Original discount was 12%, then due to all the issues they cut me an additional amount that came out to about 16%. I'm happy with this and have an extended warranty with accidental to boot.

Expected ship date is the 21st and delivery on the 26th. I'll miss Anthem launch day, but that's ok

 

Has it been established whether the RTX 2080 runs at full power, or does it suffer limits through BIOS or cooling?

 

Well. At this point it would be the total allowed watts, but. Yes there is a butt. If you lower the voltage to under .900v you can gain quite a bit of stability and a more stable clock speed. Then slowly work your way up from there with clock speed first. If you try right out of the box using their settings.... you will more than likely be unsatisfied.

 

Do you know if the TDP is actually able to go to 180W?

They said 150W (180W OC) I'm assuming you have to increase it in Command Center?

 

If that would be the case it would be quite pathetic considering a undervolted fully unlocked 1080 can surpass 180+ watts easily.

I'm sure they wouldn't be that silly and propably reserve the 150 watt for 2070 and 180 to 2080. Azor has been seen spreading fake news earlier (like how the TIM change would void warranty) so I would not be surprised if things change in the upcoming weeks. More and more people have seen their order being cancelled so it could hint that there is something going on behind the scenes.

 

This is a guess, but from what I have seen...it may be also base on windows profile. So balanced could fall under 150w while performance could be the 180w. Or as you have also stated. In the AWCC. If this is true then the A51M should be able to run a 132 to 137 fps in firestrike test 1. (As an example) but not running at 1.043v.

 

How do you lower the voltage of the GPU? I have tried using Afterburner on my GTX 1080 but I do not have independent control of voltage and frequency, like I have with XTU.

 

So I just ordered mine, and man negotiating a price is harder than I remember. I tried my best and only got a 11.5% discount from 4600 CAD (was aiming for 13 - 15%, like some of the other earlier posts). Are all their sales representatives from India; do they have stricter rules as to what they can offer, as opposed to representatives from other countries?

Or maybe I'm just bad at haggling, I dunno. I guess I'm not very charismatic.

Though I did kinda get a second chance at negotiating today, for another potential 5%, but I'd call that more of a trick on my part rather than negotiating. I won't find out if I actually get it until later though.

 

You need to use Afterburner and you need to click the little wireless icon next to core clocks. Then you pick a voltage by clicking on it. the use the up and down arrow keys to move it up and down. Holding the CRTL key will move it in 10's. Then once you find the right spot to start testing you lock it. You hit CTRL +L and a line will show up letting you know it's locked. CRTL +D will set it back to default. then run a quick test to see if the clocks hold at that voltage.

 

Anyone know if this will come in an AMD flavor when the Ryzen 3xxx CPUs and Navi GPUs come out mid year?

 

doubtful, alienware hasn't had an AMD powered laptop since the M9700/mALX

 

@alexnvidia
Does JT still have the Clevo?

 

I don't know. I'm not affiliated with him. The only reason I mentioned him was because he has a proper out of the box Clevo review for 9900k + 2080 which is an apples to apples comparison with out of the box area-51m. I'm fully aware Clevo can be awesome beast of a laptop once it's modded and worked on which is something we have yet to see on area-51m. It will be more fair comparison if we can see how area-51m performs after being modded and worked on.

 

This is why I want to help him with the settings. So we can see what he is able accomplish.

Sorry, but my Chinese is way to crappy for me to try with the other review.

Also, this will be the same process with the A51M. The best settings put forth first, then we all sit back and go from there.

 

i doubt area-51m will have as many CPU tweaking options as your clevo machines. maybe the bare minimum judging from past alienware laptops. the new bios did add some cpu tweaking functions but until someone reviews one, we have no idea what they added. thanks for sharing a bunch of cpu tweaking settings. hopefully area-51m can benefit from those settings too provided it is able to.

 

Well, even if the bios is locked down. I think we can use XTU to at least make some changes and get the system running better than out of box. Remember, before we overclock, we must first undervolt to find out what the machine is really suppose to do. Once that is made public to everyone involved, then we as a community can make it better from there. And hopefully Dell will not shut us down at that point.

When I posted that CinebenchR15 run...Everyone zoomed in on the temps, but what most missed was the fact that it stayed in the 46/47 range. That means something. One reviewer reviewed a P775 and his dropped to 3.6Ghz pretty damn quick. This is unacceptable!

Lets face it. We tried benching quite a few machines and got hit with "flags on the play" LOL That's why no 3dmark. Everyone knew what that was (immediate shut down), no one seemed to know what Cinebench R15 was. Go figure.

As long as people are willing to test their machines, then the more we can experiment and make it better than what they may want us to believe or sure as heck find issues and see about getting them corrected ASAP!

Edit:

I would also like to Apologize to @alexnvidia for my comments towards him! They were uncalled for!

 

Has anyone’s 51 shipped yet ? Mine says 20 feb expected delivery ...

 

OK, I have done the CTRL-L and this now locks the GPU at a given voltage/frequency. But this is not exactly what I want.

1) I want to allow the GPU to drop its frequency if not being used, as is the default. Eg right now it is at 140MHz.
2) I want to stop the GPU from ever exceeding a max frequency, say, 1600MHz
3) At the max frequency, say 1600MHz, I want the GPU to use a voltage of say, 1.0V.
4) At all other frequencies below my max, I want the GPU to use a voltage of < 1.0V.

How do I do that with MSI Afterburner?

 

Not yet. I preordered mine on January 11. And I'm expecting mine February 19. Woild be nice if they did ship it early but that's not likely.

 

So no ones 51m is shipped yet? I ordered mine 1.Feb and delivery is 27. Feb. Maybe (i hope) its a little bit earlier

 

My two pennies, it is very rarely safe to buy version 1.0 of anything, and usually more expensive.

 

the Chinese guys have holidays at the moment. I don't think they will ship until Tuesday

 

Came across this gem when searcing for laptop heatpipes for the watercooling.

Seems quite nice and could he easily done in a Clevo machine. Only thing that would be maden external is a pump, or a reservoir.

If you remove the SSD and only run an m.2 there is plenty enough room for a pump to recirculate the water through the loop. I have a 3d printer, so I can print brackets etc fairly easily (or print in copper with a PLA filament. 30 plastic 70 copper)

I don't know why but I really want to watercool my laptop .... I've been obsessed with it since I saw the asetek demo with an 18 inch aw crossfire model.

Also this is quite usefull. I think with some tinkering there could be an integrated watercooling solution but some parts need to be make bespoke

https://m.aliexpress.com/item/32822...Copper-Notebook-Water-cooled-Cooling-Head-Big

 

Interested in this as well. As so far seems most mobile RTX have significantly lower performance esp with raytracing.

If i buy one though, you think dell would let me get one without any ssds or ram? Id rather buy and install my own than pay a huge premium for whatever crap they throw in it. Anyone have any experience with this?

My Triton 700 is falling apart at the seams. I may try to trade it out at Microcenter for an Area 51m...

 

You can just flatten the curve after the highest voltage you want at the frequency you want.
So instead of locking the voltage at a particular spot, just flatten the curve out like this.
https://imgur.com/a/i7WpcXD

For best performance though, the Ctrl+L is a better method.

 

No, Dell will not sale an incomplete system out the door, they must get your system up and running to test it, if they then took out your mem and ssd, these would go back to OSV for testing and just cause extra cost for everyone except you which they could care less about your cost lol.