*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

Might be because VRM not strong enough to support the higher power draw from 2 extra cores.

Wasn't the processor advertised with "125%" power limit? That means just a hair below 120w.

Knowing everyone's obsession with power limits nowadays its probably locked around that ballpark.

 

That was my thinking about the VRM's. Thats why I was leaning at putting it in the 51m or getting a z390 board and dropping my 8700k in the 51m. I guess I need to decide fairly quick.

 

See this post: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.826831/page-173#post-10865231

Apparently the same CPU in supposedly at stock with almost 150 points more.

Don't know exactly what the bios will do, 1 user at least upgraded without issue. Dells notes say:

Fixes & Enhancements
Fixes:
- Fixed the issue where the system does not reflect the charging status immediately when plugged in.
- Fixed the unwanted noise from the speaker that is triggered by using the mute/unmute toggle key on the keyboard.

Enhancements:
- Added the CPU overclock option in BIOS settings.
- Added the Intel Hyper Thread Control option in BIOS settings.
- Supports Alienware On Screen Display (OSD) application version 1.3.1.0.
- Improved the power management feature to balance the CPU performance, power consumption, and thermal management.
Version
Version 1.2.0, 1.2.0
Category
BIOS
Release date
31 Jan 2019
Last Updated
31 Jan 2019
Importance

Yes, supposedly in a AZOR tweet, 119W combined load (GPU + CPU both at around 100%) and 126W CPU solo (Not sure on permissible GPU load). However the screen shot with it @ over 160W blows that AZOR tweet out of the water. EDIT: more I think about it... Mahaps a fake?

In either case; a properly power tuned i7-9700K should reach almost 5.0 GHz on 120W just fine.

EDIT: added Screen for reference, and post: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...m-owners-lounge.826831/page-232#post-10868145

 

Is anyone else considering throwing an 8700k in? Should be whisper quiet and still kick ass for gaming.

 

It's still a hot processor but it's nothing compared to the 9900k and it still has about the same gaming performance

 

I miss the days of having a 7700 laptop that didn’t get over 60-70C. I may have to swap.

 

So I have a few questions for you guys that I want to know frank answers to because I can't seem to get my mind off it.

1) Are you happy with your purchase?
2) On a 1080p screen are you really going to see any difference between a RTX 2080 and 2080 maxQ?
3) Have you seen any increases with new drivers?
4) I've never had a gsync screen so how much better is it and how low can you actually go without noticing any difference?
5) Is it worth the wait?


My situation is that I ordered from Dell and once the date arrived I had no system. They never bothered telling me. I was super upset with the complete lack of customer service so I canceled it all together. I found XoticPC selling them significantly cheaper so I placed an order with them. XoticPC told me it will be later in March before they arrive so now I'm at the point of wondering if this truly is a quality machine worth waiting for or if I should just get something like the zephyrus or step down to 15.6" and get the Acer Triton 500. Any thoughts? I've never owned a 17" screen. Is it that much better than the 15.6"?

Lack of reviews on youtube so just wanted to see what some real world owners think. Thanks!

 

1) don’t know, hasn’t arrived yet. Probably though.

2) I have a GE75 2070 right now. You pick either high FPS or ray tracing, I’d rather have both. RT is awesome, especially in metro. I can only hold 70-80 FPS in high with a 8750h/2070 in BFV with some heavy dips. The 2070 just smashes into its 115w limit and falls flat. The 2080 has nearly double that limit (200w incoming).

2080 MaxQ is a joke. 80w limit. I’d take a full form 2060 over that.

3) See one.

4) gsync is so great. Screen tearing will never happen again.

5) I’m eager as hell.

I wouldn’t buy a BGA laptop over this. msi is the only ones I’d consider because I know how to double the TDP and let the 8750h run a bit.

The Zeph’s are a meme. Super hot laptop that opens up wide on a dinky flexible backplate. The only interesting one was the full 1070, and it had serious heat issues. GS65 is a bad time too. Had one, even with repaste it screamed like a banshee trying to keep cool. Flimsy build too, though I hear the RTX ones fixed that.

 

Hey guys,
My Area 51M arrived yesterday. In Idle it is whisper quiet, but when I started Overwatch it reached 50dcb in about 5 minutes. Seems pretty loud...
Some other games reached 45 dcb, is this normal?
In quiet mode acustics are around 40dcb, what are your experiences?

 

About the gsync, does it works only in games or with other software as well? I mean, I don’t game but I want it for other programs like unity, AutoCAD, VMware, deep learning, etc

I haven’t got screen tearing like never as far I remember tbh. I just remember from games but that’s like over 15 years ago lol

 

It still happens in games, though less prevalent.

Gsync is always on. That’s why you don’t see it in many of the more portable laptops, it forces the gpu on all the time and reduces battery life. In a big gaming laptop... That’s kind of a whatever to most.

 

Sweet, I got it, because I was thinking to add it otherwise, but as I want the laptop as desktop replacement as always I’m attaching it to external monitors / oculus my current laptop, I not gonna use the screen from the laptop anyway.

 

I'll let you know soon. I will be doing a full review, comparing a 9700k 2080 Area-51m with a Lenovo Legion Y740 8750h 2080MQ. Showing whether or not the price difference is justified - and if high end RTX is worth it at all. It seems most people would be happy with an i7-8750h and 2060 (non maxq), but we aren't most people here

 

What laptop was that?

 

17r4 with the back end propped up and undervolt.

 

i dont think the user faked his screenshot... he doesnt even know how to undervolt the cpu...so i expect the pic to be real...

 

Could you check which heatsink you have?

It seems AW isn't shipping the CES one even with 9900K + 2080?

 

yes, pictures and lots of pictures. lol

 

I would not rush to get the 15.6" OLED displays because they really do suffer from "burn in". I would wait for technology to improve. Recently my 15 month old OLED TV suffered the same and I discovered the forums are full with TV owners reporting these problems. On a laptop the situation would be much worse with static displays and extremely high contrast areas. There are excellent IPS displays with great colours and brightness for the time being until they improve the OLED technology.

 

How thin must the bezels be? And why design a laptop that needs panels with thin bezels that do not yet exist ?

The 17.3" UHD AUO has ~16mm bezel

http://www.panelook.com/B173ZAN01.0_AUO_17.3_LCM_overview_25358.html

Active Area(mm) 382.12 × 214.94 (H×V)
Outline(mm) 398.1 × 230.45 × 4 (H×V×D)

 

Where do you get Firestrike for free? Mine sends me to Steam and they want like £25

 

buy it - it's worth it for the stress testing side.

 

https://store.steampowered.com/app/402290/3DMark_Fire_Strike_benchmarks/

On the page for the full version of 3D Mark they want 25 buck s for if you go down to 'Downloadable Content for this Software' and hit See All it will show you everything included in the bundle and then you click on whatever you want and it will take you to the individual page for that software. That is how I got to the link above.

 

According dell representatives and emails got they are selling it with 8 pieces heatsink, so I don’t get why they ship according to pics 7 pipes

 

You guys think 50dcb under load is acceptable?

 

Can some go to device manger and see exact panel id for 144hz g-sync + tobii display?

 

I may be wrong on this, but I think I remember someone having looked it up and it is an LG panel. Can't remember the id for it, though. Will go back and look and post link to post if/when I find it.

ETA: Found it!!

Posted by ninja2000 on 14 Feb.

"Haha, I do love my job!

Ok, first impressions:
Build is amazing, loving the off white colour.
Came with a US keyboard which I think is an error so will contact dell.

Has an LG 144hz panel and Samsung pm981 ssd"

 

ordered mine a few minutes ago i9 9900k, RTX2080, 8GB Ram, 256gb SSD, 3Y on site service, 144hz gsync. 3350 Euro. Now i have to find a very good pretested delidded 9900k.

32gb 3800mhz ram and storage are waiting XD

 

My unit have been sorted at the hub this morning. Means it may actually show up before the weekend. Here's to hoping.

 

Must not be running the same sale in Europe as the US. Right now on the US site you can get 4 year Premium or 4 year Premium Plus and 4 year Accidental for the price of 3 years of each.

 

in EU we have 25% off at 3 year on site at the moment... the fourth year was +400 Euro...

 

Hi guys,

Just got my laptop, didn't have the time to test it too much, it is i9 9900k with rtx 2080 32gb ram. I will use mainly for 3D rendering (maya, max, unity, unreal..) and some raytracing features) hope this is a good desktop replacement for that.

I've run the cinebench r15 and multi score did 1830cp, but the temperature run always near 100c. This weekend I want to streess the CPU and GPU together and monitor it better, it seems that when I turn on the computer was really slow until 10 min ish after it starts going fast, don't know why but I will have to test it further, as first thought it seems like that kind of slow when the hark disk is near to it's death, but after a while everything starts working quick.. I will test more over the weekend and keep you guys up to date.

Cheers

 

Has the OS definitely been installed on the SSD? Some users on Reddit reported the OS being installed on the HDD/SSHD. Just a thought, or it could be a load of updates going on in the background.

 

For the people with 2080 and i7 9700K/9900K configs, can y'all look up your service tag and see what part number heatsink you were given?

Sorry I need the actual device id so I can look up the panel.

Want to see what type of quality the panel is and what level of color gamut it supports.

 

190w GPU and 140w long time CPU. 190w CPU max. So the 150w/200w Pl is real... not bad...

 

hmm so CPU package in this test always running around 100c, same as mine I guess we will have to live with that...

 

that's a good question, haven't think about that. I will check which disk it's been installed, thanks for the advice.

 

no undervolt and 140w! Even with heavy gaming or heavy render workload we will never see this power for such a long time...

 

yup. this new chinese video is the production model. no undervolt at all. bone stock. seriously impressed with the performance out of the box. he will also post heatsink comparison for 2080 vs 2070 in upcoming video so stay tuned. GPU in fact is 190W, 10W more than alienware advertised with 200W certification coming. temps did hit 100C but i guess that's to be expected from 9900K super hot power hungry cpu. he stressed several times that he still find it hard to believe this is an alienware laptop.

 

It's Steam. Put it on your wishlist, and it will be like $4 next Steam sale... that's how I got my full copy

 

It's because they are idiots who cant count. They count shared heat pipe twice lol. There are 4 heat pipes on each die... logically 8 heat pipes total

 

Anybody in Canada have a shipping date yet?

 

Woo, woke up to a shipping email, arriving on Friday

 

Yeah, different behavior compared to the previous tests from the first chinese video review (see the first test from: 7:50 and the one from 51:40):

Spoiler

In the new test we can see that the PL1 max is indeed 150w, but it seems that it is dynamically adjusted (probably based on max temperatures, like it was with the 17R5).

 

17 R5 powerlimits are locked to 110w short and long.

 

@Rei Fukai

With a specific firmware version, it doesn't allow it to reach that 110w PL (the PL1 is lowered) IF the CPU temp has reached ~94C.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...5-owners-lounge.815492/page-136#post-10760367

 

I've tested all firmware's (except last one released cause it was too small) it's just Intel DPTF downclocking the CPU due to temperature, not power limits. When you disable remove Intel DPTF and set speedshift priority between 87 and 100 it won't downclock. No matter how hot your CPU gets it will hold it clock speed until Tjunction is met and the CPU is forcefully turned off.

Running 1.2.1 cause imo most stable, and yields me a 1400+ CB on 4.3 all core.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...5-owners-lounge.815492/page-148#post-10763431

 

Dell have confirmed the secret power throttles are at the BIOS, 1.1.6 and 1.2.1 they said, and you cannot avoid it. This secret power throttle kicks in a few seconds after the CPU has thermally throttled, eg > 99C. After 2-3 seconds it will limit the power to bring the temps down to <= 93C. You will see the thermal throttle gone and the power throttle commencing. The system is not perfect, in the sense you can fool it by stretching only 1-2 cores at a time, and in that situation the power throttle is unable to stop random cores being hit suddenly and then you will see thermal throttles too.
The reason, I suspect, that captn.ko has not noticed it is because his CPU does not throttle thermally, which is the trigger for this system ? <- compare that to this -> http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/whats-the-use-of-an-extreme-cpu-with-dptf.772856/

The problem doofus had was because one of the intel DPTF thermal sensor gets hit of ten, Hence limit HIS performance. BTW he is the only one with constant problems. Not to bash or anything but the moment i tuned mine and got my temps in check i've never experienced a problem anumore (except that i cannot change my powerlimits) maybe his unit is detective, cause heus still the only one with 4+ different problems on the same machine.

I also got an tuning guide regarding an xps of iunlock that kept throttling due to the DPTF sensor.

 

So... is there enough now information to summarize where the various CPUs / GPUs top out and is it thermal or design limitations? I'm curious to see how that stacks up against some of the more, extreme, let's say, predictions on corporate input to design decisions.

Homer