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Due less (lack off) usb ports... Get you an usb hub.

 

Thanks for this good sir!

This is just to let people understand the difference the thermals And Dells stock voltage make... Heavy emphasis on that voltage!
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I have this bro AmazonBasics USB 3.1 Type-C to 3 Port USB Hub with Ethernet Adapter - Black

 

Replace it with the white version due you went for Lunar color Or paint it if yoo can handle the black cord. You could as well get one with SD Card reader options for your 512GB SanDisk SD Card.

Btw... Seen this one + this?

 

One slot taken away

I have never carried a HUB around before , and won’t start doing so lol ... life should be easier hahhaha

 

I received my Shipping number today.
I was told it should arrive within the next 3 days.

 

My favorite line “ When will it hit Dell Outlet “ ? ;D

 

Per our other conversation.
Also the pipes are all wider as well....

Correct, no Vapor Chamber, but it is about 95% independent of each other. Seems the only thing connecting both CPU and GPU HS is 1 pipe and 2 very thin piece's of copper, while the heat sink is made into part of the fan housing.(Also suppose to be adding to the cooling.) And it would appear that this is also copper.

So I have to retract the statement about it being unified in the interest of justice.

 

I'm in the market for a new laptop and found this A51m as one of the best choices for my needs and preferences.
It seems to do quite well in terms of balancing power, noise and form factor (not too bulky) combined with nice aesthetics.

That would be great but only if the top models (3850X, 3700X) are able to run cooler than the 9900K and 9700K and are at least as fast as them. I have been reading a lot of posts in this thread and I have concluded that the A51m is able to cool down the RTX 2080 pretty well but has some troubles cooling down the CPU, specially the 9900K, but that's something that could be applied to the bast majority of laptops nowadays. I haven't found any laptop that is able to dissipate all the heat generated by the latest 8th and 9th gen Intel processors... unless they have a fan design that makes more noise than a Boeing 747, which is something I'm trying to avoid. I wouldn't blame Alienware for this, but Intel, I think they have been stuck in 14nm for too long and they have increased the frequencies beyond the limits in an attempt of trying to maintain the leadership in the market and avoiding AMD to surpass them.
I think we need processors with higher IPC, more cores and lower frequencies that are able to run much cooler while being faster than previous generations.
If the ryzen 3850X rumors are true, we could see a 16c/32t with 135W TDP that could possibly surpass the 9900K in terms of speed and energy efficiency. But I don't know if those 135W would be for the base clock or for the highest turbo. The i9 9900K TDP is supposedly 166W when it's at full load on all 8c/16t, so it would be 31W less if those 135W are for the full load on the ryzen, which should translate into less heat).

Considering this, I don't know what to do, buy now or wait until July to see if that ryzens are worth it (assuming also they will be mounted by laptop producers).

Also, I don't understand all the hate and flames from some people to AW regarding the 8/7 heat-pipes issue... AFAIK the pipes design has only been modified for the GPU chip, which runs cool in the production design, while the CPU pipes design from CES is practically the same that we can see in the production model, so I think the heat dissipation capabilities for the CPU in the CES model would be probably the same or even worse (due to the shared pipe being wider). I would say the CPU needs at least one more non-shared heat-pipe to be able to work properly under load to not throttle, but even without throttling the temps would be too high due to the 9900K being too power hungry and hot for a laptop.

What are your thoughts about this?

 

I don't expect a reply as nobody answered any of the previous questions. But if anyone could, can Optimus be used on the Area 51m? I had a dell rep say that you can switch off the discrete GPU in device manager but that sounds either sketch or a pain in the neck. If they cannot use Optimus, what battery life do these get generally browsing and web tasks like youtube? He said around 4-6 hours, which also sounds sketch on such a high end part machine.

 

This is not a very mobile machine. Do not expect more than 2 hours. On any of the versions with G-sync, there will be no Optimus. If you need good battery, a DTR with desktop CPU is not the way to go.

On the models without the g-sync display... no one has really answered this definitively, but it looks like they have no optimus either. I do not know if a MUX switch exists on any of these models.

 

Thank you for the reply, honestly anything over 2 hours is great, 2 hours was a baseline I would of been looking for in the event I could not hook it up to power

 

Quick question guys. I went kind of light on the memory side of things and got the 2x 256GB PCIe SSD (R0) w/ 1TB Hybrid... tbh I’m not even sure what that means.. “Hybrid” am I good on ssd/memory or should I strongly consider upgrading to something like the Samsung 860 Evo 2TB ssd M.2 that’s like $350.. note, this rig is strictly for gaming at the best level possible.. possibly streaming in the future but not now.. please advise a young grasshopper lol.. I’d prefer not being another victim to useless spending... or half ass components that lead to a lesser quality gaming experience.

 

Any news from Umar about this 2400/2666 debate?

 

You think it will run cooler? What if the hardware engineers + the chassis designers at the Notebook manufacturers follow same paths as before? Aka continue slim down chassis thickness and due this have to use less adeqvat cooling. I think you look very wrong on this.

You put the blame on Intel? Nope! Dell's engineers + engineers from other brand etc Asus know very well how Intel's processors works. They design etc MB + cooling for desktops. They have first line info what will be needed for unlocked processors. Yet they still continue shrink down the notebook chassis thickness and shrink on needed cooling. You can't get better and better cooling in a slimmer and slimmer notebook chassis. Just look at Apple. They design and sell computers with desktop hardware and still with info from Intel continue destroy their Macbooks.

If you have read my older posts you may seen that Dell even bragging that they offer higher TDP power limits than Intel's guidlines for needed cooling. This for XPS line. Should we blame Intel on this as well? As I said... Nope!

If Azor or his product Specialist Umar have been more honest from the beginning, this could be avoided. People had to gather up info themself. Re-read the posts about the heat-pipes issues.

 

How will they contain the heat from a 200w TDP GPU with shared heat pipes that cant keep the cpu from hitting 100?

 

Hi guys, also considering to buy Area51m, but I need strong single thread performance for gaming. Beside every solutions, mentioned by ssj92 and others I propose to disable hyperthreading on 9900k, as it ads approximately 10-15 degrees. And, it is more stable allowing to better undervolt. Nowadays there are little to no AAA PC games requiring more than 6 threads. So in terms of cooling it will be better to disable two cores also. Don’t know if it is possible on area51m though. If not I’ll try 8600k which has the same IPC, max overclock and is easier dilided two. Maybe it wont be necessary to use the second PSU in this kind of setup and it will have longer battery life. So anyone who is testing now, please try and check my proposition.

 

I think its better to choose 8700K/Non-K or i5 8xxx/9xxx if you plan to disable HTT.

 

Nice temps out of the box ! With an static voltage temps can be brought considerably! Maybe an repaste is not even neccessary (except when pushing it past it factory spec)

but so far seems cool

 

I received my number today too is Exactly same batch of you i think.
But don't know how time is needed to bring it to europe ...(by boat by plane?)
Delayed from 13 to 15 March at the beginning

 

I replaced the original hard drive with a 1TB WD Blue SSD. It's much faster and, more importantly to me, much quieter. The sounds of the HDD spinning were driving me nuts, I haven't heard that sound in like 5 years. The 860 is good but I found it a little on the expensive side; for games just about any of the SSDs will do, just grab one on sale. There are tests on YouTube that show the difference between different SSDs are negligible in games; it'll load like half a second to a second faster.



I finally got the time to set up the laptop yesterday. Ran Cinebench and I was only getting a score of something like 1860, with the stock 9900K hitting temps of 100 degrees. Probably a sign that I need to redo the crappy paste job. But also in the meantime, I tried using the command center to undervolt -50mv, but it crashed. It's my first time doing any sort of under/ over clocking; should I be changing both the voltage and the value under that too? What kind of values should I be expecting to be stable?

 

ThrottleStop for me. -140mV on CPU and -50 on iGPU. I had a random freeze on -145, but -140 seem good.

 

Right one looks more professional to me So 2019!!

 

Alienware said my order will ship the 4th and come the 5th. Yet it's the 4th 2pm EST and it's yet to ship. Should I be worried?

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Please read my previous post.

 

Contact them via chat, My shipping number wasn't showing, i talked to them on chat and they gave it to me manually.

It shipped at 8:00 AM this morning and Purolator tracking just updated and i'll get it tomorrow

 

Why not? Latest AMD chips are known to run cooler than their Intel counterparts.

Of course I'm referring to laptops in the division of A51m, GT75 Titan, Clevo.... not to the ultra-slim sector where I think they should stick to "U" CPU series (ultra low power) with that thickness.

I'm completely aware of that and I think AW has done a terrible work regarding all the communications (social networks, videos and web pages). They need to put some order on this urgently and not spit the first sentence that comes to their minds without checking all the information before and ensuring that what they are going to say is right.
But I'm not referring to that, I'm referring others posts where some people is trying to bash AW by saying that the CES heatpipes prototype was much better than the production one based on the hypothesis that more cooper for the GPU chip directly translates into better cooling in the CPU side.

Personally I think they have done a good job in general with this AW model, but maybe the most powerful CPU models are not the best options for this one. And I'm sorry, but I still think that Intel is partly to blame in all this by designing chips that get so hot and also giving specifications of normal operating levels at 99º of temperature.

 

Watt is still watt, sir. Less watt = less heat. More watt = More heat. + the die will be smaller due 7nm. And laptop cooling ain't on level with the custom coolers for desktops. Asus use AMD desktop cpu's in notebooks. They still run hot in the chassis at full load.

None will never know 100% how it perform vs. the new 7 pipes. But I expect Dell wantet less heat puked over on the graphics. They will soon increase higherr TGP for graphics.

 

The lower the clock speed the lower the score. At stock it gets 1370+. At first i didn't notice it was underperforming because it would not drop from my set clock speed the entire time i ran the test. Temps also were great so I'm not sure what the issue is but there does seem to be one.

 

That's what I'm trying to say, 166w from the Intel vs the rumored 135w from AMD. The die from the new chips at 7nm don't necessarily have to be smaller, cause they will have to allocate 16 cores... Maybe I'm wrong, but time will tell...

 

Alienware just told me by chat my order was delayed by 1 day. It was supposed to be shipped by today and it's not. I hardly believe it'll be shipped out tomorrow. They're claiming it could have been transportation delay. What should I do?

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Not much you can do? Have patience?

 

I've seen some people get dicked around by them and I have to take off of work to sign so it's pretty annoying. I'm completely fine with it being delayed a day, but if that's not true and I take another day off. It's gonna be an inconvenience

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Alright today I need to get this thing coldddddddd

I'll do more testing today and take note but I remember seeing 189W at one point.

Yup Dell stock paste.

I'm going to do some undervolting. Dell stock voltage is hella high

Looks like the goal is 2034 @ 4.7Ghz

Ummm with all these posts I have no idea what your previous post was

 

no mine is complete stock. I've been thinking about delidding it lately though.

 

Please let me know how it work so that i can look into, the reason is that if you do a clean install to new driver or same drive. So the dell drivers does not work for some reason the nvidia control panel is missing as well as the intel graphics says there is not display connected to intel graphics

 

You can download the recovery image that came with your laptop using the service tag of your machine:

Dell USB Recovery Tool 2.2.4058.0

Download = https://downloads.dell.com/FOLDER05313795M/1/Dell-USB-Recovery-Tool_9KVTR_WIN_2.2.4058.0_A00.EXE

Before you run the file, make sure it is NOT blocked by seeing the instructions in this guide: "Are you sure you want to run this file?" [Yes or No]

Use the Dell OS Recovery Tool to create a USB recovery drive that you can use to reinstall the version of Windows or Linux that came with your PC...

You will need the Service Tag of your DELL Computer to download the appropriate image for your machine.

How it works:

1. Download and install the Dell OS Recovery Tool.
2. Launch the Dell OS Recovery Tool and enter the Service Tag of the PC that needs its operating system reinstalled.
3. Select the operating system image you'd like to install, and the OS Recovery Tool will build your bootable USB recovery drive.
4. Install the operating system using the newly created USB recovery drive. This will remove all data and software from your PC's hard drive and restore the factory-installed operating system.

 

@ssj92

In your signature, you mention that your CPU is: Intel Core i10 10990K

Is that a typo or what?

 

I did this thing already and still it did not work, the nvidia control panel still did not exist

 

Does that tool download a clean Windows installation where you have to install the drivers yourself from scratch or does it already have the drivers for your machine with the service tag preinstalled?

how is the image downloaded with that tool different than the standard Windows image from the Media Creation Tool? does it have any OEM info and whatnot pertaining to your laptop like the Alienware wallpapers and/or logos?

 

Its a joke - look at the rest of the specs; none of them exist yet

 

What... I see NOTHING wrong with @ssj92 's build: Alienware Area-51M: Intel Core i10 10990K | 128GB DDR4 3800Mhz | RTX Titan | 4K 120Hz

I just cant wait for the laptop RTX Titian FPS score in 3D mark... and seeing if he can run all that ram at 3800 MHZ!!

PS. When is the 4K 120hz screen going to be released

 

I do not know that but after installation i have to install all the drivers, so I guess It dose clean installation, No it does not have Alienware wallpapers and logo

 

I thought the latest/best CPU is the i9-9900K I can't even find his CPU on G00gle

 

ok I got pnwed

 

So it's useless then and no different than the default Windows 10 Media Creation Tool

 

Yes that is true!

 

Has one any found a good bag for Alienware area 51m, that is durable and can take both the power cords.

 

If we'll get Cpu's with lower TDP vs. previous gen chips, be you sure the notebook engineers will push hard for even slimmer design or and use slower/less noisy fans. Their target is to let temps stay within max allowed (100C for intel) before implement better cooling. This so called tweaks (admission of failure) will trump any costly improved cooling. Whats better than use Intel's own throttling mecanism?

As well put lower fan speed than allowed from the fans doesn't help either on high temps. This is done for less noise, not for improved cooling. Apple have done this for ages (Low fan noise but high heat) as you know. Why shouldn't rest of the notebook industri follow same paths. Of course they do.

See also MSI's Ceo statement for the futuree for laptops. We will see thinner models... With cpu's who use less power. Then just shrink the notbook chassis. No better cooling!

And the 135W TDP limits you hope for wont be any different than the 120/128w we already see today. The 166w from the Intel chips is more as an illusion. At best, run for a short trip before the house of cards collapses (when PL1 kicks in).

And if I remeber correct, Current AMD chips have a lot lower temp threshold than Intel chips. + the 135w we talk about ain't for max Turbo on all cores. Exactly as Intel, you'll need higher voltage = Higher heat to run max bore on all those cores (put all cores as single bost speed). Not so sure that AMD will be *the savior* for not good enough cooling.

 

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