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nope. 2666 is faster

 

Enough to cover the diff between CL 15 and CL 17 ?

I admit I don’t know what that real world difference is.


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So all my JEDEC speeds list > 2400MHz, but the RAM still runs at 2400MHz when on 1.8.1 (Just rolled back to 1.5.0).

Are we sure this is supposed to work?

 

Do you have Hyperx 2666mhz? The same kits listed above by myself and @Korben_Dallas?

Hyperx product descriptions list JEDEC support as you can see in the pics.

 

It is a HyperX kit, though different model number. But the JEDEC ratings go up to 2666, and it still runs at 2400, contradictory to what was posted earlier.

Edit - I'm running two kits of HX426S15IB2K2/16
4 sticks of 8GB, supposed to run at 2666MHz per JEDEC, but still ran at 2400MHz when I was on 1.8.1.

 

Same Here. My dimms Support jedec 2666 and XMP 3800... Still 2400mhz

 

Well that blows my over excitement out the water, if you guys had no luck, there isn't much hope for me.

 

Just start SM once a week or so making sure you have the latest firmware and driver. Windows has enough stuff running in the background, no sense having one more.

 

Dell already added on their website up to 64GB (4x16GB) 2933MHz Memory on Area-51M.

Is the new motherboard stuff true? If yes, they really should atleast allow base 2666MHz on older ones.

 

(HX426S15IB2K2/32) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NAL3TYY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_UakmEb3ZW5B6B

This is the kit I have, will it work? Is this the same one you have?

I can give it a try later.

 

No, I have 2 x HX426S15IB2/8 ( https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01N7K4CEU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1).

If you read a few comments back though, others have tried with Hyperx memory and still haven't managed to get more than 2400mhz, so I haven't bothered. Starting to lose faith that we'll ever see it.

 

Bumping this. Anyone?

 

Basically all the issues persist AFAIK. You must downgrade to 1.5.0 to get the throttling resolved, AWCC is a bit better but mostly crap, re-pasting and pads really isn't necessary unless you want absolute best thermals or had bad luck with a unit.

I have a 2070+9700K and it runs perfectly fine, no issues at all and (so far) no staining, etc on Lunar White. 9900K+2080 is where most of the issues are.

 

Ahh, that's a bummer...

 

If you must have a LGA CPU, there are only 3 Alternatives in the 17" form factor (and 2 in the 15") From MSI and Clevo

My launch unit is just doing great on Bios 1.5. Never had any problems.

From what I seen, random panel QC issues, Thermal issues, and general issues persist on all models of all brands.

Unique to A51m is still discoloration of the white.

GPU burnouts seem to be much rarer.

Software? as in Alienware command center? Works fine for RGB control and basic fan control. Rubbish at overclocking... but I would never use anything other than Throttlestop anyway for that.

Windows 10 Pro... Still windows 10 Pro. OSU10 and Classic Shell is a must to use it well enough.

 

People often conveniently forget this.... I acknowledge AW's issues, even buying A51M knowing about the throttling (been at this since 2010) but who else will come repair it, even outside the country? Given how unreliable laptops are, especially game laptops, Alienware/Dell still has an edge from a HW support side once you settle on a model for use and accept its limitations.

What is always a shame with Dell is so often, a little extra effort and you would have a stellar system, but they always find a way to compromise things. Even so, its still often the best cross section of traits to be a good choice (for me).

 

The big question is... Dell's employees behind Dell's sales site more trusthworthy than those who added the new specs in Alienware Area-51m Setup and Specifications datasheet?


Msi allows faster than 2400MHz only if 2 slots is in use (from their datasheet).
DDR4-2400 speed up to 4 slots
DDR4-2666 speed up to 2 slots

 

The current BIOS still has issues picking the highest JEDEC if too many profiles are present on the RAM.
In order to force the highest speed you can remove the lower speed bins manually via Thaiphoon Burner and just leave the one you need.

 

Prema! Haven't Seen anything from you for awhile!

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Would this be possible to do on any machine ?

Or would the removal of lower profiles need to be performed on a specific machine and BIOS combination?


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There is a reason why enthusiasts go for prefer PremaModded LGA machines.

As an alternative you can program your existing RAM with up to 2933 JEDEC by using Thaiphoon Burner on a Clevo or MSI system running a PremaMod BIOS (factory Intel BIOS has SPD write locked) and then puting the RAM back into the A51M
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-owners-lounge.826831/page-1836#post-10987041

 

In our german forum a user stumbled across a solution to get around the temperature limit on Bios 1.8.1+

choose a fan Profile in AWCC and activate / use fan control in HWINFO.
No throttling at 78 degree.

 

Man, so many pages on this without just spelling it out. The jist (and suggestion), even had a few here considering updating back to 1.81 just to see. Why all the dramatics? And not aiming this at anyone in particular. Just seemed to take a lot for someone to reveal the fact that we would need to flash our RAM and then update A-51 bios to 181 and then get the correct RAM to find this unicorn.

Crazy to see so much aggravation around something with such low performance gain (outside of synthetic benchmarks) , yet garner so much angst against Dell/Alienware.

Folks, enjoy the laptop. Benchmarks are awesome in that they can help to know you got some value in your investment. I think that we A-51 owners can all claim with some exceptions, but with extra tinkering, we definitely surpass the norm. This has been my reason for going all-in, with almost all my PC hardware for as long as I've been into it. And is in line with the way Alienware machines were borne.

This is actually my first Alienware purchase. I've always built my own, mostly to spite Alienware since I've always thought their prices were too inflated. In this case, the price is still high. But the option of DYI laptops are still very limited to non-existent.

Oops, I feel I may have gone off-topic, again. But I fail to see any serious effect of this memory speed issue other than synthetic benchmarks. Trust that I use benchmarks to validate my cash spent too. But this craze in this case is not making me wonder if I spent my money right.

 

The point is:
- we bought the 51m with 2666mhz support and got 2400
- Dell promised to fix this ONE year ago, still no fix
- now they deliver 2933mhz ram to new customers

if that is not a problem for you, ok. But dont blame other customers when they want what they paid.

 

You can either use a Notebook to rewrite the SPD with Thaiphoon Burner (system needs to have SPD writes enabled) or, what @maoshen1234 did, use a so-dimm to dimm hardware adapter and rewrite it on a PC.

You can see if the A51M or any Notebook you have has SPD write access enabled by running
@TURBODUDE!!! Thaiphoon Burner, it'll tell you in a pop up:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190813213830/http://www.softnology.biz/files/thphn160.zip

I don't have access to a A51M myself but will be testing a few profiles with @thattechgirl_viv later this week to see what works best and then share them with you...

 

That would be perfect! Just to be sure: With this adapter i can edit the JEDEC Profile (2666mhz) on my 3800mhz dimms to 2933mhz and keep the 3800mhz XMP at the same time? And does 2933mhz only work with 2 dimms? My 3800mhz is a 4x8Gb kit.

 

JEDEC and XMP tables are separate sections of the SPD. JEDEC is essential for a RAM to boot, while XMP is optional.

4 x sticks work. As usual stability is less predictable...

 

ok thanks looking forward to see your results
Is it possible to edit JEDEC to ...lets say... 3200mhz or is 2933mhz the limit on Bios 1.8.1?

 

How-To:
https://www.aw-community.com/forum/...-lounge/page/107/?tab=comments#comment-115647

 

@Prema will TB edit work on a desktop with Hasswell E X99 chipset?

 

Current JEDEC spec tops at 2933Mhz (3200Mhz is XMP)

All Intel 8-series + chipsets have SPD writes disabled by default unless the ODM or a Mod has them re-enabled...

 

in fact every Intel CPU that supports DDR4 Mem? How can we edit JEDEC without Bios mods then?

 

You don't have to Mod your RAM at all.
It's just an alternative for enthusiasts who want to keep using what they already have.
You can instead also just wait for a list of proven to be compatible RAM and buy a new one if RAM speed is important to you.

 

but i would like to keep my BDies buying new ram is boring.

this one for example should work as it has JEDEC2933 installed:

https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B0...db7-10e52332d836&pf_rd_r=7446AB27S5BHM1PSNZQE

 

The throttling isn't really an issue for me as I think the performance still is good enough. And if I have to downgrade to get around I still can, right?

AWCC is what it is. As long as it works, I guess it's ok enough.

I repasted my old unit, and it was quite straightforward, so at least I can do it if I get a unit with bad thermals.

All true things... I will never buy a white computer thou, so that's a non-issue for me. I want my computers as black as the wife's heart... ;-)

Thanks for the input. I may actually go with a 51M again eventually.

One more thing, this RAM discussion... I'm thinking of going with 8gb stock and then just buy 2x16gb and install myself. Good way to go? Are there any use in buying higher than 2666 MHz?

 

Based on the discussion on this thread, to me it seems like maybe a DTR thick laptop doesn't bring much to the table unless it has perfect thermals like the EVOC? And even then, let's assume all of these laptops are maximized to their thermal and voltage capacity in terms of using liquid metal, thermal pads, delidding, undervolting and maybe some OC if it allows it, then how much performance difference are we really talking about?

As for the upgradability, I think that's not very big deal as can be seen by the existing 51m owners. So then why bother with future proofing? As long as you can at least change the memory, I think it's still workable.

What do you guys think?

 

What do you mean with EVOC having perfect thermals? Details! I don't care for upgrading, I just want the best possible gaming laptop right here and now.

 

Best BGA chips... i9-9980Hk https://hwbot.org/submission/4215697_tagg_cinebench___r15_core_i9_9980hk_1931_cb

Clevo P870 from 2015 with PremaMod firmware. Yeah, near 5 years old https://hwbot.org/submission/4325031_papusan_cinebench___r15_core_i9_9900k_2243_cb

 

That's the impression I get from some people who mentioned EVOC here, and also this video is very good comparison:

 

So 15-20% difference?

 

I did not see the video yet, but AFAIK doesn't Clevo have like the worst fan controller ever? Super noisy? The Clevo I had was terrible and reviews seem to agree. Or did you mean temps only?

 

Probably more, depends what model you compare it with. Many of the thin and flimsy perform worse than what showed in the link. And you'll risk being screwed in the silicon lottery if you need RMA for replacement. Not everyone will win two times in a row.

The only viable way hardware should be implemented! In a socket.

 

Yes but these thick DTRs have really limited options though, no Quadro for example, in my case if I needed more GPU memory like 16-24.

Limited display options also.

 

Not the right thread if this is what you want.... But take a look at HID. Or just pm or send an email to @Donald@HIDevolution.

https://www.hidevolution.com/evoc-h...hz-4k-60hz-i7-9700k-i9-9900k-quadro-5200.html


You won't find what you want here. Put up a thread in the proper sub-forum for further help.

 

Thanks for posting this, I haven't gone through the full thread yet but suspect this would work on other BIOS's as well? Obviously 1.8.1 will likely be the best solution if it'll also support more than 2400mhz at some point.

 

Thanks I will contact him, but are you saying they can put different gfx card in that laptop? I thought you were limited what was on their website.

EDIT: now realized your link has quadro, thanks, I didn't see that before.

 

Some of us are actively testing this to see what works if you read through the last few pages.

I'll be giving this a shot later. Has this the throttling issue actually been coherently reported to anyone at Dell, aside from people getting upset about throttling in general? The fact their own software has an option to bypass it that doesn't work makes me think the 78 degree limit is a bug, and worth trying to explain to them to see if they can't address it. Especially when GPU-z shows the limit as 87 but clearly throttles at 78.

This never happened. They never promised to fix anything. They had said they would take a look at it, and then started saying "2400 is the design". Saying they would look at it never implied anything would change, and people need to stop spreading this misinformation.

Edit - guess I'll give this a shot in a week or two. Hopefully can get my obsolete desktop up and running to do this.

 

@Silentfan I read the thread but its not clear to me what RPM we should set the fans to within HWInfo for Full Speed/Performance profiles. I can only see mention of silent profile with 1300 mentioned? Is there a table we can use or have I missed something (most likely the case)?

 

If you want full speed / more than 1300/1300 or 2500/2300 RPM:

1) Switch in AWCC to full speed fan profile ("Full Speed" I think, maybe a other name, I´m a german guy)
2) (Re-)Open fan-control in HWiNFO and fill in @cpu-fan: 3700 and @gpu-fan: 3800 RPM

Attention: 3700 and 3800 only works, if you set the correct (Full Speed) fan-profile in AWCC.

In "Full Speed" works 3700 / 3800
In "Perfomance" works 3000 / 3200
In "Balanced" works 2800 / 3000
In "Silent" works 2500 / 2300

For all again: here is a guide to bypass the temperature limit with 1.8.1 (you can use the 2080 up to 86 degrees without the heavy throttling problem)

 

Excellent, thank you for clarifying this. Great work identifying the different profiles for us as well.