*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

I meant modding the Area51m R1 heat sink with vapor chamber.

Btw, any news on Area51m R2?

 

This is the exact same reason Why I reduced my CPU frequency to 4.9 Ghz @ - 120-125 mv. You cant offset the sudden change in CPU temp without liquid cooling or vapor chamber.

You can theoretically be running 5.0 Ghz or even 5.1Ghz with vapor chamber.

There are few of them in Aliexpress but the sizes is off limit, 75x75x3, 3mm thick and 7.5 cm wide is too big.

If there is a 1mm thick and 40x40 mm Sq then its possible to mod this SOB

 

Normal priority

all original from the factory, only offset -95mV

 

Any idea when the next Area51m is coming? No info on 10900 K or RTX 3? sounds like next july ? my question is when its the right time to sell the current area51m! XD

 

Very nice.
No matter what I do in Cinebench R15, I always get to 100 Celsius @ 5.0Ghz with the same undervolt of -95.0mV.
I can barely get the CPU not to throttle at 4.9Ghz with the same undervolt of -95.0mV during a Cinebench R15 run.

It was the same with the original paste and is the same with the Kryonaut... (and I've repasted 2 times already...) The idle temps are around 35 Celsius (ambient 23-25 Celsius) so this seems better than before.
Maybe I don't have a great chip like I have on my desktop

 

A little different tack from the regular posts. Had to do a business trip, and was curious how the A51M would do in its native backpack with chargers, USB hub, headphones, etc. I had to travel to Jackson MS, then my daughter had her first child while I was there so I had to hop a plane back throught ATL, then into La Guardia, then a few days later back home with the backpack from La Guardia to the ATL. I will say I was very happy with it overall, I never worried about it tearing though I think the sleeve for the A51M is a tad tighter than I would prefer. The trick seems to be putting the unit in first, then the chargers on the very bottom pocket. Overall, wearing it around through several airports unexpectedly, it was not bad as long as you wear it as a true backpack and not over one shoulder.

Almost forgot: I literally got a compliment on the quality of the bag by a stewardess on my way to Jackson, MS.

 

1. No ETA on r2 Area 51M
2. i9-10900K most likely to release Q2 2020
3. NVIDIA next-gen Ampere will be announced in March, 23. BUT, next gen Laptop GPUs will be Turing refresh (up to 200W RTX 2080 SUPER)
4. idk about right time to sell, but if you're looking for next-gen desktop replacement, take a look on Clevo X170SM-G.

 

Ok I managed to break 11000 on TimeSpy ( a personal best for me anyway ) - I got the fever and could not stop fiddling with it until I got past that.

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/10470175

Now I can play some games and stop obsessing, benchmarking can be very addictive.

 

Are anyone actually selling this new Clevo yet?

BTW, 9900KS is not officially supported in the 51M - are there any practical downsides to this in day to day use?

 

Depends on your usecase.

- Office, browsing, windows tasks - no
- Gaming - maybe (depends on the Game. BFV Hit 130w+ easy, most games use <120w)
- Rendering, Benchmarks - yes

 

would be interesting if intel refreshes the current CPUs with lower thermals.

I think the 10th gen would hit thermal walls on air no matter what, 10 cores 5ghz is no joke at all.

 

No, its 'next generation'. Will be launched when new LGAs and Laptop "SUPER" gpus hit.

Yes, it costs a bunch of money. It will not be better at, gaming, productivity, rendering, benchmarking, or even day to day tasks. It should have more efficient power usage and may run slightly cooler. Not worth the money IMHO. You can run your i9-9900K at 4.7 and get the same results

 

Thanks mate! I'll go with the current 51M I think.

 

wait for the next chipset or 10900k or RTX 3

I got my area51m in Jan this year, its up to you.

 

it can if you can find a new PCH chip that supports the 10900K, and can replace the current PCH for the newer one which supports the new chips.
If it's profitable, that's another discussion.

 

if i remember corretly the 10th gen CPU have a new socket.

 

here some food for thought: https://www.extremetech.com/computi...00k-might-run-just-fine-on-older-motherboards

 

It does.

 

That doesnt sound right,The power delivery can mess up VRMs and other burn traces Unless the CPU layout is similar to the 9th gen.

Intel is getting humilated badly by AMD, Im sure they are releasing something worth of competing.

 

News about 2933MHz DDR4 memory support?

 

It works with latest bios for very specific modules.

Or if you buy new model direct from Dell with the stated speed

 

will try to flash my modules the next days

 

and what to get from 3ghz ram? nothing useful unless you plan to run multiple OSs

Not trying to put anyone down

 

Donald from HIDevolution was told by Dell that it is only for NEW REV Motherboard / and you only get the new board IF you order the faster RAM at time of Order. He posted a while back.

 

Mine still says 2666... on the box.... but oh wait, just because the ram _can_ do 2666 doesnn't mean its running at that.... silly consumers and their expectations...

 

Going to flash your module to do what?

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That’s just naughty. But I’m not surprised. They knew guys like us would try and use our own ram on an UPGRADABLE laptop. Silly us.

 

it feels like the area51m was the final "PSYCHE SUCKERS!!" by Frank Azor before he jumped ship to AMD

 

Oh, so we have Area 51M R1.5...

 

If it supports faster RAM now it's straight up lame that the default RAM at purchase is still 2400MHz and you are stuck if you don't upgrade right then and there.

That is not how you sell your "enthusiast class" laptop, Dell.

And are current owners just screwed still? Are they going to add XMP for everyone or no?

 

Frank Azor did not:

Sneak to my house last night and ripped the labels from my canned goods.

take carnal liberties with my grandmother.

Make a list of dell owners and personally shipped them silicon lotto loser chips.

Purposefully design a flawed system.

Some of the posts of late have been the opposite of...scintillating..

After reading 1864 posts, I'm tired of the every hundred post cycle of "system suck...Azoz is evil....this is better".

Lets just skip the cycle for a while and actually discuss productive topics.

 

No this is just the way it works, I imagine a scenario where shortly after a few VRM’s burned up Dell spoke with their MB supplier and eventually they told them the truth if you want a better board we can do that but it will cost you more money, we’ll this is how someone at Dell can justify the expense they can slightly hide the cost by selling the new boards only as premium with higher speed RAM configuration.

Just my imagination but I would not be surprised if it was close to the truth.

As for all the early adopters? Well we all know the risks




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Be happy he didn't push his engineers to add in soldered ram chips and wifi card as he did with the M15/17 refresh If he had changed his mind before he jumped ship, you all would get the promised 2666MHz speed but not nice being stuck with welded on 16GB as max size

 

There's been no confirmation of a new motherboard yet. Not calling Donald a liar, but I wouldn't doubt that he was given incorrect information. Umar also said he had no knowledge of a revised motherboard and would be upset if that happened without his knowledge.

Let's wait and see what happens when some users start flashing new SPD information on their DIMMs. I should be getting my own adapter by mid next week, if @captn.ko doesn't beat me to it.

 

He might have purposefully allowed one to be sold though.

 

i would be extremely cautious of what a dell representative tells you about anything

I have posted a screenie of a conversation i had with a live chat support and they couldnt even tell me what the wattage of the graphics card was, let alone more specific questions about motherboards etc

 

that is so true XD

we will see ^^ My knowledge about ram oc is mediocre. I have to read a lot until i try to flash my 3800mhz B-Dies Don`t want to send them so heaven. I will practice with my 2666Mhz dimms.

 

Nice..... good luck and keep us posted!

If its a revised motherboard surely everyone who bought it before the new revision should have a free upgrade? We were sold it with it being advertised as supporting 2666mhz, which it doesn't and then told a BIOS would fix it, which for most of us so far it hasn't. Therefore, would this not be similar to buying a car that is then improved in its current revision and gets a recall? I'm not saying we should all get brand new laptops as replacements, but the improved hardware should be provided.

 

What are the board differences? Because mine comes clearly with different Pads, paste & mini SSD.




They should have invested more time upgrading the heat sinks XD

 

The Heatsink itself is ok as it is, not perfect but ok. The bigger problem is the Bios.

- locked down features
- no LLC options
- no voltage control
- too high stock voltage
- no ram control
- no per core voltage settings
- senseless Temp limits (78 degree gpu)

etc...

 

For RTX 2080 & 9900K CPU they added a small dia shared heat pipe for both CPU & GPU, I find this very unjustifiable since any application that uses both can throttle the computer. The stock voltage can reach to 1.4V, I dont even dare to run 1.4V on air on a desktop. I can weld/connect extra pipes or add a small 40x40x2 mm3 vapor chamber (I couldnt find small ones) without conflicting with the "Rip Cage" and this can offset the random spikes of CPU Temperature. If you find a cheap area51m heat sink online, let me know.

I disagree with you on Ram control, I can hardly imagine any usage for 32gb not to mention @ 3 Ghz, you will never need to load this much of storage this quick unless you running some servers and multiple OS. I could be very wrong but by unlocking Ram control, what settings you unlock for the rams? Timing and Speed?

As for the GPU, even if the limit is 85C, you would be getting 100 Mhz extra. This GPU thermals goes exponentially up with frequency increase much more than pascals in my reckoning. Again I could be wrong.

Mine reaches 80C very quick if frequency 2050-2150 Mhz & then throttles, but I could run 77C for hours and hours @ 1850-1950 Mhz without an issue (BFV & Metro). The extra 100 Mhz is only impressive in benchmarks sadly. Not trying to defend Dell, but they are doing it safe for both consumer and themselves.

Again, Im not a technical person, I wish I was. Please correct me and sorry for stating wrong info.

Regards.

 

yeah the shared HS is not optimal, thats true. But we can run 4.7ghz i9 9900K and 200W GPU in nearly every game out there... So i dont think that is the biggest problem we have

thats what i mean when saying that the stock voltage is too high, With better LLC and lower stock voltage, the cpu temps out of the box would be better.

there are quite a few usecases where i need 32gb Ram today... not even mention the future. For example Asgards wrath (VR game) uses 21GB Ram after a while. The game was stuttering on my R5 with 16gb Ram.

Faster ram = more FPS (how much depends on the game), no matter how much ram you have. If we could change the Ram settings or have XMP Support we could run 3800Mhz or even 4500Mhz Ram. If you dont want to use those options and are happy with 2400mhz, thats fine. But i dont like it to waste potential performance.

100mhz are 100mhz... why should you give it away? We talk about alienware, not inspiron...

 

LLC wouldnt lower the temperature down, using a static voltage can get you better stability; but us can still lower the voltages using adaptive voltage @ cost of lower stability. Still this wont give you much stability using 8 cores CPU I think on air. I believe many could damage components intentionally and ask for replacement. Dell should really copy bios settings even if its custom bios and hide it secretly in on the chips. I suspect many douch bags intentionally burn GPUs and boards and ask for replacement.

The real options here is

1- Adding a vapor chamber / Extra pipes for heatsink and hope the radiator is good enough.
2- Adding an internal 100 W waterloop ; this requires replacing the heatsinks and building custom CPY/GPU blocks that work both on air and water. This option can cost less than 200$ with the right manufacturer. I can actually reach chinese fellas over taobao and ask for a custom sink if we can get minimum 100 Pieces order.

Of course the pump is 10-15 W not a power hog and can be placed internally and share laptop's power.

A similar project has been done for Mx18 Rx but didnt reach the market unfortunately.

There is already a Clevo Hybrid water/air heat sink in chinese websites .

Sorry for dragging you away from the topic, but I felt I need to share this.

Ive completely forgot about VR, you are right 32 GB is the way to go for future proof.

100 Mhz for 5-7C, dell find this not worth, and yes having this option doesnt hurt at all. Its safe to guess some units blew up.

Thanks again and Im sorry for deviating from the topic.

 

Please don’t take any word Umar says as anything other than a lie. First video I watched with him in it he straight up lied in it. And every video after that has been just as bad. Nothing that is true comes out of his mouth.

 

In all fairness, he might have simply gotten tired of the continual engineering compromises and mistakes and this kind of thing with Dell engineering. Recall that Frank left Dell before to establish AW if I recall correctly...

I was told straight up by one that on the current BIOS for existing owners the higher RAM speed would work provided you buy the memory from Dell...

 

No doubt, trying to get correct information out of Dell employees is like something out of a Movie I would not have believed it was possible until I experienced it for myself.

I take EVERYTHING I hear with 10 lbs of salt now lol


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I want my Area51m Watercooled ! and with Prema BIOS.

Then I can forget about Dell and enjoy the hardware I bought fully.

Only need 99 more come on guys seats are limited !


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Count me in haha that would be epic!

 

Got the laptop delivered yesterday and still didn’t open it yet. Should I send it back ? Lol

 

Intel 10900k Might come sooner than anticipated! Check TDP I hope Alienware can come out with a nice tweak for heatsink.

to quote:
"...on the 10900K — the CPU’s actual power draw under full load may be more like 300W"

But, I think if 10900k is coming for Area51m R2 then you better wait, there is a vapor chamber sink leaked to reddit already. Im not sure if its enough to handle 10 Cores. I myself would sell my area51m (maxed out) If 10900k is on the horizon (April as rumored).

Is it worth Selling maxed Area51m and buy R2?

 

No but i would do it too XD