*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

Not sure why others call it Refresh

 

I saw the youtube review of this, the build quality is extremely bad.

That's why I don't get these builds, very imbalanced, seems very arbitrary specs instead of carefully planned pieces that will work the best.

 

I have not the ability to see your tiny images

How to post an image on a forum

 

Must be some legal mumbo jumbo going on that we’re not in on I guess. But it being the 2070 Super makes it a good value for the parts included.

Just jam your phone into your eye hole for improved visuals while screaming “Enhance!!!”

 

Still not word on a possible refresh? Getting gaming laptop withdrawal symptoms... ;-)

The ASUS ROG Zephyrus Duo 15 looks great, but I want to see a 17-inch alternative before I decide anything.

Kudos that we start seeing stock liquid metal now.

 

There is some sort of Alienware announcement coming on the 13th of May. Who knows what that might entail.

 

It’s not AMD’s fault. Intel has such a strangle hold on the market just due to how much money they have. AMD has definitely shown they are up to playing in the big leagues and win. So manufacturers are gonna take notice and implement them slowly. Again you gotta think with the mindset of money. And Intel has that. So diving in with AMD would be suicide. By 2021 I’d expect to see AMD as an alternative again and you can pick and choose which you’d want. And if intel doesn’t take the hint then AMD will be the primary choice in a few years.

 

A 3900 model reviewed here:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Schen...w-Extremely-fast-extremely-loud.464178.0.html

Forget about AGA - doesn't even have TB3, throttles to 2.2GHz, idle power draw 60W lol.

 

I just checked Alienware’s laptops and the 240hz option is missing from the m15 R2. Only the OLED and 144Hz options. So I’m guessing a 300Hz model is coming. Hopefully an Area 51m R2 also, but I don’t see anything hinting at that right now.

 

A 51M R2 would be super nice (no pun intended), but I'm not getting my hopes up.

If ASUS is going the liquid metal route they could bring some nice products to the table this summer hopefully.

 

Hi !

The video I linked on my previous post explains it all.

The instructions start at 1:00:00, here you go :

Hi Spartan,

My friend finally answered.
Well, he actually does not have any blocking on his downloaded files, neither do I.
So the issue is not definitely not coming from here.

I have more information concerning the precise moment his keyboard stops responding.
After his computer booted, there is a small delay when AWCC services turn themselves on.
AS SOON AS they are available and his macros are ready to use, the second after that disables the keyboard and all ability to press any keys !

What's weird is that the "temp fix" is to reboot his machine as soon as it happens. After the reboot, he can use AWCCenter without any issue related to the keyboard.


But I'm interested about your suggestion. At what moment will Windows put a blocking on downloaded files?
Cause I'm not using the Administrator account on my laptop but I don't get those blocking marks on my downloaded files :

 

Ok so are we hype for the May 13th Alienware announcement or no?

 

No because it's just m17 and m15 10th Gen and Super refresh.

Probably ufo with Intel iGPU (pointless)

Enviado desde mi HTC One M9 mediante Tapatalk

 

I had a similar issue to this, I fixed it by changing the awcc service in the service manager to automatic instead of automatic (delayed start). worth a try if you have not allready.

 

Dell always has liked to be last in a race for some reason. They’re never in any hurry to rush anything to market. But I’d definitely be hopeful. They were onto something with this laptop, and I’d hate to see them give up on it so quickly.

I’m definitely keeping my eye on other products right now. Since everyone else is making pretty decent strides with this refresh I’m definitely gonna be give them some attention to impress me.

 

care to share what you’re keeping your eye on which could compete with the 51m? Thanks

 

Thanks ! I'll tell my friend and let you know wether it fixes anything or not.

What was your issue ?

 

What browser are you using? any download manager?

If you download using a download manager then Windows doesn't put a blocked status on files I have discovered.

 

I'm using Chrome Beta but it does not even happen on Edge and Firefox.
Any I download my files directly via the browser, no download manager.
Actually, this blocking thing never happened to me even on my previous Asus ROG laptop on which I was using Edge and Firefox.

I always had Windows 10 Pro though, don't know if it changes something.

 

My keyboard was slow to respond on initial start up (loging in to windows) and sometimes my overclock or other profiles would not apply until i changed them on and off again once awcc had loaded.

setting services used by awcc to automatic has resolved these for me.

hope this helps your friend

*edit*

also awcc used to take forever to load when set to automatic (delayed start)

 

I stand by putting AWCC service to automatic. Everyone should do this.

What point is there to auto profiles (the ONLY valuable feature besides lighting management, IMO) if my computer boots in like 10 seconds with my Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVMe and opens Steam in 2 secs, launch a game in another 3 secs and by the time I’ve done that AWCC is still snoozing and doesn’t put my system to high performance and performance fans??? Idiotic.

Putting the service to automatic starts the AWCC service at logon and auto profiles actually work immediately after a cold boot.

Otherwise, you need to close the game and reopen it to have AWCC “detect” that the game was opened and for it to apply the auto profile.

The times where I’ve seen my CPU temps go into the 90’s, it has been because I was playing a demanding game right after booting up and the AWCC service was in delayed start. Stupid.

It’s a resource hog, sure, but I’d rather have my boot take 1 extra second than to wait around for 1-2 minutes until it decides to start... delayed.

 

Isn't it significantly cheaper just to buy an Amplifier + Desktop GPU? I've been reading the tech on the Amplifier and Dell might have accidentally released something good considering the 4x cable vs the USB-C bottleneck of sharing lanes with the other peripherals?

 

The AGA actually does outperform all other eGPU solutions out there currently.

Also: unrelated, but the shame here is it won’t drive the internal display on the 51m.

Edit: outperforms in bandwidth* if I remember correctly.

Might have to do with the “official” unveil, like our 51m's. When buying it in Jan 2019, it still said “1080 GTX with free upgrade to latest gen graphics when released”.

They wanted to be able to lock in the sales but couldn’t officially say it was the 2080 until it was officially launched by Nvidia after CES 2019.

 

Can you see this one? A good advice for you.... Never ever jump on 4K

Spoiler: Curious?

Exactly. There is no point call it refresh if the graphics is the same and with no changes.

 

Apparently Umar did a survey on what people wanted to see on the next AGA 2 years ago. I am interested in one in the future, and would love to see 1. bandwidth increased, 2. more space for large cards, 3. better power supply (higher wattage).

 

Thank you!

 

Good video comparison of the AGA vs. Razer eGPU enclosure.... some interesting details in comparing use of the AW proprietary cable vs. Thunderbolt.

 

My alienware command center stopped working. Where can I find the latest software? I currently have the one dated from 2019 , Version 5.2.37

 

https://www.dell.com/support/home/e...wt64a&productcode=alienware-17-area51m-laptop

Click Show All for older versions (download and save them all. You never know).

 

I have an eGpu via thunderbolt 3 and I have an alienware amplifier coming in Monday. What test can I run to show the performance gains/variance on the same machine?

Specs:
i9 9900K
64GB 2400Ghz ram
Titan RTX
3440x1440 34" Ultrawide

 

DGFF is worse than BGA. If you actually want a proper replaceable GPU solution, Clevo is the only thing worth looking at. Look at this "cooling", it is just laughable. Give me BGA with proper cooling any day.

 

it's the Alienware AW3418DW

 

Looks to me that the DGFF is BGA. What is wrong with the cooling?

 

It's BGA yes but on a daughterboard that can be replaced. Proprietary daughterboard though so -1 there. Every other DTR on the market has more than a sheet of whatever that is over memory/VRM. It's low effort and is worse than a BGA solution, so there is no advantage here over other laptops like the AMD Clevo that Papusan referred to that have a BGA solution.

DGFF is the tech equivalent of virtue signalling. Pretending to do the right thing but in effect doing nothing at all.

The AMD Clevo has awful idle power consumption but is still an interesting laptop. Very good price, top tier CPU performance, and a 2070 is still plenty especially in a 15". DGFF in Area 51M does not make the A51M better than the Clevo was my original point.

 

Seems like the 2070/2080 could not be done on the MXM. Kudos to Dell to try and create some sort of following in DGFF. I do not know if the Clevo solution bolts into other laptops but that is the growing pains when you lack industry standards.

I think the larger issue might be the lack of interest in computer gaming overall. People are more into using their phones and consoles vs. the past. Kind of hard to deal with shrinking market segment and also support the desires of everyone.

DGFF seems like not a bad attempt especially if you bought the absolute crap version of the Area51m. You can find a CPU or GPU in 6 years or so and have a half decent system. Not so great if you want to try and compete with the next Gen consoles.

My personal opinion is that people wanting the absolute cutting edge need to just wait for the next gen consoles or go desktop. Understand the limitation w gaming laptops. Thermal density is the bane of smaller transistor technology. We are up against physics these days, no free pass & "get out of jail" of bad coding or whatnot with new bins.

I'm taking an expensive one last swing at laptop gaming since it is nice to not have a ton of stuff sitting on the desk. Stupid, ignorant, waste of time, probably wrong but whatever it is my money. I haven't had a desktop since 2006 which was a dual processor monstrocity.

 

Consoles - cutting edge? Lololololololol

 

I expect you asked for 3D benches and not benchmark software for Cpu.

Futuremark VRMark
Futuremark 3DMark 11
Futuremark 3DMark Suite
Futuremark 3DMark Vantage
Unigine Heaven Benchmark v4.0
Unigine Superposition Benchmark

Nothing is as bad as BGA. Castrated tech. DGFF could be so much better if Dell changed/replaced the power delivery. Aka put it where it should be.... Below the heatsink as MXM graphics and not under the flimsy shiny black passive cooled heat spreader. Failed design.

 

Yes I laughed as well at that part.... desktop, yes, consoles.... _oof_... the point of laptops is instant usability, power and mobility... one cannot game on a phone for anything very sophisticated or powerful. I mean they are amazing for what they do, but to compare any of them to a 9900K+2070/2080 is a pure joke.

 

You'd prefer a bad design liable to fail over a solid BGA solution? Opinions truly are like...

8C/16T Zen 2 with 12TF GPU is better than most laptops and desktops on the market today (all except the most high end). And costs not nearly as much.​

 

Next Gen consoles.

Laugh now but the cloud computing is coming. Thin clients will be more powerful than a 9900k/2080

Same thing is in the works for consoles. Your phone/thin client console will be but a window into properly optimized datacenter solutions with just the pipeline in question.

 

Nothing is called solid BGA solution. This tech is planned obsolescence. And should be avoidet at all cost. Everything is made cheap so you have to run back to the same store and buy a new before time.




https://www.dell.com/community/Alienware/17-R4-motherboard-short-circuit/td-p/6234990/page/2

 

The picture you posted is the engineering sample, the ones in our shipped units has a prettier “beauty shield” which I also assume is to spread heat. DGFF is at least a bit better than BGA in that, if your DGFF gets fried, you can actually just remove the DGFF and replace it.

Dunno what Clevo is up to these days, still MXM 3.0b?

Do you own a 51m? The heatsink does in fact make contact with the VRMs/Memory with thermal pads, which is precisely why they are left “bare”, unobstructed by the “sheet” you’re referring to... clearly you don’t know what you’re talking about lol.

 

The VRMs are on the backside of the DGFF card, which are not connected to the heatsink.

 

Oh, those lol. Touché!!! Yeah that’s just idiotic. I replaced the pads on that passive heatsink with Fujipoly Ultra Extreme 17 W/mK just because of how poorly they’re set up to be cooled ... -.- sigh...

Still, you mentioned memory, which is in contact with the active heatsink, don’t try to swindle us here!

Punchline; the “sheet” on the DGFF isn’t the *only* cooling, which seemed to be what you were referring to.

 

The memory chips don't put out much heat. And the sheet (mylar tape) is more as a gimmick. The main problem for DGFF graphics is the awful VRM cooling design. A blind engineers masterpiece.

 

TBH I'm really not invested in any of this - I am not trying to paint the A51M in a bad light, it has flaws as does everything else. But the idea that Papusan has - that DGFF is some sort of superior solution to BGA, is just pure rubbish. Those who care about replaceable parts that TRULY are not designed for obsolescence only have Clevo now. I only care that the product is well designed. I can't go back to BGA CPUs because they're impossible to cool and they perform worse. But Nvidia GPUs are all the same, the only thing that changes performance is the power cap (so you need 200W).

 

Hey guys, received my Area51m w/2080 today, taking it slow with it. Crossing my fingers, everything has been great so far but I haven't tweaked anything yet. Quick question, my unit came with bios 1.80 installed on it. Can anyone confirm if 1.80 has hardthrottle at 75 Celsius or is it 79? My thermal slider for the GPU in AWCC is usable, as in its not blanked out gray like some people were having a issue with it. I am just setting up some of my tweaking software so I have not yet checked any of this. Thanks

 

RAM Speed ?

 

Im having trouble with this...can you give any more instruction.

 

You are discussing it for several pages. I can't find anywhere what is DGFF Help me. I know what is BGA, but what is DGFF.

p.s. was there any news on 51m r2?