*OFFICIAL* Alienware Area-51M R1 Owner's Lounge

Have you all seen this about the Area 51M class action investigation?

https://www.mahanyertl.com/2020/dell-alienware-area-51-class-action-investigation/

Not sure how legit it is, I just came across it in the comments section of an article on the 51M R1's lack of upgrade options.

 

Looks like a good way to keep them honest, anyone who feels they were had should consider sharing their experience with the firm to hold them accountable.

 

I can understand the sentiment. They did advertise the upgrades (though they did use some disclaimer of the "if possible" kind, IIRC) even though they're aware that Intel requires a new socket for every gen basically (even though the base CPU architecture is pretty much the same for the last five generations - thieves).

Not sure if they new what Nvidia plans were, but I presume the Super cards are not compatible with R1's due to increased power requirements.

I know I'd feel somewhat cheated if I bought one, but given how they are the only ones with a viable external graphics solution, it's not so bad. And the socketed CPU and Graphics are always useful for a cheaper repair if a mobo or the GPU die. It's not like the new CPU's are much of an improvement anyway.

 

They have a good case regarding upggrade promises for 1th gen hardware (confirmed by Umar Khan). Dell can't deny upgrade to 9900KS. They also have to offer XMP support for 1th gen Area-51m. Not so sure they will be held accountable for 10th gen upgrade paths.

https://twitter.com/aw_umar/status/1214950201183617025?s=20

https://twitter.com/aw_umar/status/1256591867027894272?s=20

The question about the upgrade path for DGFF graphics will be more delicate.

https://twitter.com/aw_umar/status/1260624706090270725?s=20

 

I went ahead and sent them a long email explaining, my experience with my first Alienware product, the good and the not so good, for whatever its worth.

The law Office responded back to me already with request for more info and emailed copies of paperwork from Dell / Alienware.

I will update as things progress.

 

Do you have a undervolt applied?

 

Yeah they can always say they provided an upgrade with the Graphics Amplifier. For those of us with the RtX 2080 that does not make much sense. Far as the 9900k they should have at least supported a 9900ks. I'm still thinking of getting a delidded 9900kS and putting it in my Area-51m so I can better run 5 ghz on all cores cooler and more consistently if I wanted.

 

I would make sure the camera works, speakers, etc. Panel replacements are the thing that makes me the most nervous thankfully not having had to do one, but i have heard more issues around that than anything else over the years.

 

If they had actually allowed it to drive the internal screen, I would agree. It's infuriating to not have that, my other two AGA compatible AW's do with no problem.

 

yes throttleStop: -135 core and -120 cache (stable) i could go higher but it becomes unstable in TS benchmark.

 

Always set the same offset for the core and cache

 

This sounds promising...Let's see if it fixes my Apple Thunderbolt Display from working ever since day 1...

 

awaiting your f33db4ck

 

Ever since Skylake was released. Intel advises to keep the core / cache voltage the same you can't do them individually. In fact if you were to undervolt in XTU, sliding one of them will cause the other to sync with it as well.

 

am I the only one who thinks Umar has a weak personna ? Seriously I dont think he pressure dell or even conduct true feedback from Area51m community, proof is locked bios at 79. They could increase it to say 81C and naturally the breaking of the # 8 sounds a huge leap and probably everyone would be happy with upgrading bios.

 

Anyone know if screwing the heatzink screws in a different order then the number order has a impact on heat? For example, it’s recommended screwing the cpu screws in 1st, then gpu, but would screwing the gpu screws in 1st potentially have a better balance on gpu temps an result in lower temp?

 

Interesting, i did not know about that. Thank you for the information, i will have to do some additionnal reading about this.

 

From what I can tell online this guy is basically legit.... https://www.benzinga.com/pressrelea...er-author-and-lawyer-tapped-for-mensa-keynote

What do you guys think? I might have a record of the dell rep telling "you can only get refurbs for $1800 to upgrade to a 2080".

 

Ultimate Performance: Alienware Area 51m R2
"What's even more amazing is that this laptop is upgradeable in the future. And not just the storage or RAM. Both the CPU and GPU can be upgraded. That's pretty much unheard of in a laptop"

Yeah, Dell's marketing/promo of their lies continue works as intended. And Websites jump on it without a single thought that this is scam/fraud. I wonder how many customers Dell have grabbed with help of their ads.
https://www.windowscentral.com/best-alienware-laptop

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-1169#post-11021494

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-1169#post-11021271

 

I need your help
Ran into some issues again with the alienware command center againnn
My fans are spinning only in performance more or full speed mode .
I uninstalled a few times the software then it works for a few hours , on balanced mode they run at average 30 percents when the cpu temp is 45 degrees.
However as soon as I change thermal profil to performance for gaming and then switch back to balanced they go down to 0 percent and dont ramp up anymore.
Anyone had this issue before ?

 

Do you have the Intel Dynamic & Thermal Frame Work or Intel Dynamic Tuning Driver installed?

 

Could be enabled "performance mode" in bios, this will push fans to 100% regardless of sensor reporting

 

None of them are installed :/

 

Here is the software not working again
https://ibb.co/HF5wzgV

 

Try installing this then reboot then tell me if it works, remember to ensure the file is unblocked after you download it before you attempt to install it:

Intel Dynamic Tuning Driver v8.7.10200.12510

 

For now it is working
Let's see after a few hours
Thanks for the help

 

What does that do these drivers ?

 

I just ran cinebench r20
Looks like my score has gone up 4850 points
4,7 GHz with 140 mv offset
My i9 9900k is delided with a copper ihs
Not too bad is it ?

 

Did you also increase the cache ratio to x44? Always remember to set the cache ratio to x3 less than the core multiplier

 

I set 4,7 GHz on the command center and did the undervolt on intel xtu I didn't touch anything else .
I believe the cache ratio is set automatically?

 

Right, you know there is an edit button right? I mean instead of posting thrice in a row.

What does the driver do?

Intel Dynamic Tuning Driver

Intel Dynamic Platform & Thermal Framework

 

Do you use these drivers brother?

 

If I'm not mistaken, the stock setting of the cache ratio on I9-9900k is x43, you can change it via throttlestop, but try to use only one tuning software to not mess up the registry values

 

Hi Melvin. I just ran the same settings for comparaison. I scored 4834 no thermal throlling but temps reach 95C. My chips is not Delided but i have LM repaste. I think you could push your card higher considering the cooper Hs and the fact that it is delided. What were your temps when running this test? I don't think you were thermnal throttling since you got a better score then mine but maybe you could run 48X...without thermal throttling. Set the fan profile to max, disable antivirus, wait between test that it cools down, monitor your temps with HWinfo.

 

After rebooting it's back to zero again they won't rump up ...

 

Sorry I didn't pay attention

 

Amazing score! Your chip is amazing,
@Melvin Rousseau To adjust the cache in throttle stop you have to select CPU cache and then you will be able to move the slider cache ratio to 44 or 45 depending if you run at x47 or x48

 

What BIOS version

Also, are using or have used ThrottleStop on this laptop before

 

Bios 1.5 like I was advised to

No I haven't used it

Is there any other software that I can use to better manage the fans ?

 

The beauty of bios 1.5.0 is that it is you do not have to have a third party software to control your fan for max performance. HWinfo could control your fan but it is not recommended in your case.

 

I was just asking because I read on the Reddit forum some people having adverse and irreversible effects from using ThrottleStop that they had to format. I don't use any software and you shouldn't need to. When was the last time you formatted and which Windows build are you on?

 

I am on windows 2004
It was refurbished by dell so I never formatted it
I just upgraded it to windows 2004
Should I do a clean installation?
Just s pain in the ass to reinstall all the games

 

You know you saw that on Reddit? And why should I trust on this info?

 

Sounds like a software issue to me

 

So I should try a clean installation ?

 

I don't know if you've seen me post this before....

So what I am trying to say is, now that you're on BIOS 1.5.0. You can easily reflash it through Windows.

Download BIOS 1.5.0 = http://downloads.dell.com/FOLDER05583129M/1/Alienware_Area-51m_1.5.0.EXE

1) MAKE SURE you unblock the file by going to properties then look at the bottom if it says this file came from the internet and is blocked, hit the unblock button then APPLY then OK

Now, reflash the BIOS

The moment it has finished, go right back into the BIOS, from the last tab, LOAD SETUP defaults

now save and exit and enter BIOS once more.

Go the security tab and set Firmware Capsule updates back to DISABLED

now see if your problem is solved.

if this doesn't solve it, then you have to format.

 

As soon as I reboot it stops working so I will just do a clean installation

 

Thank you so much @Papusan! I could not find anything to confirm that the cache and core undervolt should be the same, all i could find was GENERALLY it is the same. uncleweb says: Most people on the forums still believe that you must set these voltages equally. My personal crusade is to debunk that myth. I believe he is rignt because my testing showed better temps with different settings and it was stable. Thanks again, you have been a great help....again.

 

@Papusan Does this mean my RAM is running at CL17? Since the actual speed is 1196 MHz