Gaming Mice THREAD/Diary

You know, I've always thought he said "Try some more." Huh.

RMAd my Eclipse. I'll compare them when I get it back.

 

Funny, I grip my mouse with my pinkie and thumb. I got a small hand though.

 

SORTED!

Sorted out my problem with the mouse; got a nice mouse mat with a gel pad at the back for support. Now rest my thenar eminence on that and claw grip the mouse, with high dpi and the frictionless nature of the mouse mat its great - and finally what I was looking for all along!

 

Is it okay to use my mouse on my desk surface without any sort of mousepad?

 

Yea of course it is. The only reason I've one is for performance and comfort. I'd say try one of this mats with the gel at the base - there's so comfortable in combo with a good dpi mouse its ridiculous!

This the one I have: http://www.fellowes.com/Fellowes/site/products/ProductDetails.aspx?Id=9175401 - A chance buy at a local shop, but working perfectly. Even takes care of the problem of the hook of hamate (bone at outer, closer edge of palm when at mouse) leaning on a hard surface for too long and getting uncomfortable.

 

Nothing wrong with using it on a desk, but depending on the condition of your desk you may get a lot of friction.

 

You can stop by your local post office and pick up a flat rate palette for free and use that. They're really smooth.

 

If you've got $20 to spare, pick up a Rocketfish gaming mouse pad. Rocketfish is Best Buy's in-house brand, and this mouse pad is basically their own generic version of the Razer eXactMat, an awesome dual-sided mouse surface. It's got a Speed and Control side, just like the eXactMat:

http://www.rocketfishproducts.com/p-67-rocketfish-gaming-mouse-pad-black.aspx

Excellent buy, I think.

 

I use to use the top of a Papa John's Pizza Box.

 

I bought a Logitech LX8 a couple years ago at staples for $30 and I love it.

- Ergonomic and fits my hand great, it has a grippy surface on the side which is a nice touch.

- 5 buttons and a 4 direction scroll wheel, in games I can use the extra buttons to let my left hand stay on the movement keys more, and outside of games I have the extra buttons set to 'close tab' and 'open last closed tab/window'.

- Works on a lot of surfaces.

- Looks sleek and matches the color of my midnight blue inspiron.

Ya it doesn't have adjustable weights or DPI, and I don't have some special mousepad made of fancy materials, but I've never cared about those things.

 

I have two of them Necro! One for the desktop and one for this system, before I ever got the G9. Isn't the battery life on it AMAZING??! I think I once had a pair of double A's in there for 6 whole months, using it for several hours a day everyday!

 

Well, I finally RMA'ed my G9 to Logitech and got a G9x replacement. Only took about 12 days. Would recommend this if your Logitech mice are taking wear, the buttons are worn out or sticking. And if your model is obsolete, they might just send you a concurrent model <-- like they did me.

 

Cool. How's it feel to have a G9x back in your hands?

 

I can't bear the thought of being away from my G9 for twelve days!!!

:cry:

 

It's funny you ask Soviet, because I used the LX8 for so long, and that was what I was used to, that when I used the G9, it became the new norm. Much more comfortable, and smooth movement of the cursor. When I had to ship the G9 back, the transition back to the LX8 was AWFUL. For normal web browsing it was ALRIGHT, but for gaming it was absolutely miserable. It feels fantastic. My computer had its first BSOD (had it for three weeks) from OCing the CPU, but because I had my G9x back in my hand, I was so relieved and calm still

I'm never using a wireless mouse again. The G9 is here to stay this time.

 

A wireless mouse for a desktop is just too much hassle IMO.

 

OKay new probem: I want to reassign the 'forward' button on my g9x to open the window in the new tab for IE8. In other words, when I'm in my one tab and I click the subscription link to a thread on this forum, it opens a new tab and this website is loaded in it, but I've still got the old tab with the email open that I want to delete, and I'm OCD about loading new windows of the old window still needs something done, so I wondered if I could macro the mouse button to open the previously opened tab in any way.

Should I ask in an IE8 thread?

 

Anyone else using the G9x? I'm in love with mine.

 

I'll be using mine for a while yet, the left mouse button is stiffer than when I first bought it but it's been a great purchase.

 

I used the original G9 for a few months before I got my first DeathAdder...it was nice, although a bit on the small side, and I hated the wheel.

 

Even the wide grip was too small? And what did you not like about the wheel?

 

The wide grip was a bit better than the Precision one, but it didn't have that anti-sweating material, so it was pretty useless when it came to gaming.

As for the wheel, free-scroll mode was nice, but only useful for browsing. When I put it in notched scroll mode for games, the notches always seemed to be between two scroll positions, so it would go back and forth on its own. Pretty annoying in CoD4 when I would be lining up a sniper shot, and then suddenly it switches to my Desert Eagle just before firing. And the wheel button took considerable force to push in, which made my finger sore after using it for a while.

 

My Habu eats twenty thousand times its weight in zombies.

 

I currently have a G9x, and there are thing I do and don't like about it. First the good; its extremely accurate, it has a nice texture, and its just the right size for me. Now for what I'm not crazy about; while the sides are the correct texture for dealing with sweat, they aren't exactly at the correct angles. This means that super intense run and gun time makes the mouse go flying. The other thing I don't like at all is the wheel. I just want a normal one that's easy to click.

Now I'm looking at two different Razers. It's not that I don't like Logitech, it's just that their current gaming model isn't perfect for me, and I don't want to buy something that's already outdated. The prerequisites are medium to large in size, something that wouldn't slip when picked up and put down, high DPI of course, and wired. The DeathAdder looks nice, but I'm afraid of having the same seat issues. It all depends on the angles of the sides. In general I very much prefer the Razer left, middle, and right mouse buttons over Logitech's. I am also interested in the Imperator, which doesn't seem to be talked about as much. I've read a little about it and it looks comfortable, but it may have slight problems. The biggest problem noted was that upon picking it up and placing it down, the cursor would move up or down, and that clicking can move the cursor slightly. These types of things may be mouse pad specific.

 

I can vouch for the DeathAdder being the most comfortable mouse I've ever used. I've never had any slipping issues with either of mine. The mouse has a nice inward curve towards the center of the body where your thumb naturally rests, so the grip is pretty solid.

As for the Imperator, it's pretty new (only been around a few months), so that's why there's not as much info on it as there is for the DeathAdder, which is on its second version now, and has been around for three years or so. As for the movement upon pickup and clicking, part of that has to do with the ultra-sensitive 5,600 DPI laser sensor, and also, as you mentioned, the surface it's being used on.

 

I went to Best Buy so I could mess around with mice. I had to buy a DeathAdder since they didn't have one on display. I tried it out and couldn't stand the slick sides. I returned it and got a Mamba, which has some rubber there. Now I have to go get some headshots.

 

How are the feet of the Razer mice? Typical teflon contacts? Three spots or four? How is the wear and tear for those who are considering getting a Mamba? And what about the mouse click..

 

Excellent choice with the Mamba. Hope you enjoy it.

Most Razer mice have 4 ultra-slick Teflon pads on the bottom...at least, my Orochi and DeathAdders do. Even my original 1,800 DPI DeathAdder's pads are still in good shape, and my new DeathAdder and Orochi's pads are hardly worn at all. They do sell replacement Teflon pads for some models though, including the DeathAdder, Lachesis, and Mamba. I bought a set for my DeathAdder, so one of these years I'll end up replacing them.

As for clicking, they're all pretty great. It doesn't take much force to click any of the buttons, yet you're not likely to accidentally click when you don't want to. When you do click, you get great tactile feedback.

 

I think that I do like the Mamba more than the G9x after some playing. I love the feel of the left, middle, and right buttons, it's a good size, it can be wired, and although the feet are much smaller than those of the G9x, they are still very slick.

Even with the rubber parts that the DeathAdder doesn't have, the Mamba still isn't perfect for me. The thumb side works well, since my thumbs sits directly on the rubber part. The problem is that my ring finger sits on the shiny plastic, and not on the rubber (so pretty much I can't hold onto the mouse, but it's not quite as bad as it was with the G9x). I need to get my hands of the Imperator at some point, and I hope they add the rubber to that like they did for the Mamba.

Better yet, I wish my hands would just stop sweating. That would make mouse shopping easy. I think I'm going to return the Mamba. I like it but something that's not quite ideal can't justify a $115 purchase.

 

have you considered the Microsoft Sidewinder series? I have the X8 and love it!

 

I tried an X8 once. I like the Habu better. I'd recommend the Habu to Sirhcz0r, but if he didn't like the Deathadder he probably wouldn't like it either. They're almost the same mouse.

 

I actually have lol. I have a friend who really likes it, but I'm not crazy about it.

Some day I need to start my own company just to make a Razer Imperator knock off that's completely composed of soft rubber externals, uses the G9x's laser, and comes in purple.

I wish I could keep the Mamba and return the G9x, but I don't think I'm anywhere near the time limit for returning the G9x, and I can't keep spending this kind of money on mice. I'll return the Mamba at some point and see if I can get my hands on an Imperator, after that I'll just buy whichever I prefer, which might end up being the Mamba.

Or maybe all I need are a pair of gaming gloves. (lol I just remembered I've actually done that in the winter)

Another mouse I messed with today was the Logitech Performance MX mouse. I would defiantly buy one if it had a normal scroll wheel and high dpi laser. It was even more comfortable than the Mamba. I give it my recommendation for non-gaming purposes.

Edit: A funny thing I've observed is how Razer and Logitech do things in opposite ways. Razer has rubber tops and shiny sides, whereas Logitech has shiny tops and rubber sides. I just need a model thats completely rubber.

 

Wear a latex glove on your mouse hand.

 

That sounds like a great idea. I'll also need one for my left hand so I don't have to wash the keyboard every few days. I'm actually going to do this at some point because I'm just that curious.

 

I think I may cut out some sort of non-slippery material to fit the sides of my DeathAdder to cover those glossy bits...you're definitely right about the sweat, that's the one downside about this mouse.

 

Sweat is a natural thing for mice. Having battle scars on your mouse is a mark of age and experience and my old Dell ball mouse and my Logitech MX 1100 have plenty of them. I actually prefer the look and feel of mice that have shed it's skin. I've felt a lot of Razer mice at local LAN's that have looked like they have been torched, and they feel like what a real mouse is supposed to be. Since I use my G9x with the textured precision grip, it's going to take a very long time for the mouse to show any wears as it will be the matte plastic on the left and right click that will be wearing down.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=6004523&postcount=88

 

Out of curiosity, how long does the manufacterer warranty last on Logitech mice, namely their G series, specifically a G9 mouse?

EDIT: just googled extra hard: three years limited. How does the RMA process go about, though? Serial number, mail in, mail back?

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=6041075&postcount=104
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=6047806&postcount=106
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=6047922&postcount=108

It sometimes goes to the extreme where they ask you to take a hammer and smash your mouse and send them a picture of it so that they can approve your RMA for a brand new replacement. I am not kidding; this is a true story. Because Logitech is the biggest manufacturer of non-OEM mice, it costs them less to replace the mouse than to repair it. I just bought two broken VX Revolution's from my school's engineering stockroom for $5 each and I RMA'ed both of them. I now have two brand new Anywhere Mouse MX's on the way as we speak. Logitech's warranty service is that good.

If you have the G9, you can send it in to Logitech to get the G9x. Logitech's warranty for their mice is three years, but because the G9 launched in September 2007, it hasn't been three years yet, so you shouldn't have any problem getting it replaced. Just say that your grip shell is dragging against your mousepad from being worn down or that your cord got loose. The more creative your sob story is, the better. The G9 uses the old Avago LaserStream ADNS-6090, which was a good sensor in it's day, but is nowhere as good as the current LaserStream ADNS-9500 that is in the G9x.

 

I don't have a close up shot but I have used tape (all sorts) on the side of my deathadder for a long time. Right now I have settled for some zinc oxide medical tape over standard hockey tape. The surface is not sticky unlike hockey tape when it's first applied, plus they last longer.

I don't know why Razer doesn't put the same coating on the sides too.

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.

Another question this time regarding the warranty. If my G9x was to have an unfortunate "accident" is there any way to ask for a Logitech Performance Mouse MX?

Another thing that's really bothering me is that it seems like all the new Logitech models have this Hyperscroll wheel. I'm glad I bought that old Logitech Wireless Mouse M505 when I did.

 

Only if you have one of the predecessors to the Performance Mouse MX (ie. MX 1000, MX Revolution, MX 1100, etc) will Logitech offer you the option for it.

The Hyperscroll wheel is really a love it or hate it thing. A lot of people love it, but there are the unfortunate ones that have to ride along with it.

 

I don't have any mice from the MX series so I guess that won't happen.

The Hyperscroll wheel for me is such a big turnoff that I'm most likely going to buy other brands until Logitech can bring back the regular wheel, at least on some models.

 

Medical tape, that's brilliant, thanks! I've got a good roll and half of the stuff in my first aid kit.

 

Soviet, do you have literature on the old G9 to G9x laser systems? I just never noticed a difference between them.

 

Soviet, I didn't have latex gloves but I did find some vinyl ones. I played with them for a while and it worked pretty well. I had to take it off so I could do other things around the house, and it was very difficult to get on again.

+rep for the lulz.

 

The raw specs for the two engines are on Logitech's website as well as on Avago's website. Here are the datasheets.

http://www.avagotech.com/docs/AV02-1362EN
http://www.avagotech.com/docs/AV02-1726EN

If people thought that the only difference between the two engines was DPI, then they are sadly mistaken. The performance difference between Avago's best sensor in 2007 and in 2009 are significant, especially in maximum tracking speed.

 

Reason I ask is because is that I'm looking at a used one on eBay, and as long as I have manufacturer RMA assurance, I have no qualms about buying used. Thanks. +Rep.

EDIT: The G9x mice are actually cheaper than the G9 I'm looking at. Woah.

 

How much time is typically between each of Logitech's flagship mice? I'm already thinking abut what's going to come after the G9x. If my G9x has an unfortunate "accident" I want to get something different.

I have my Mamba back in the box and ready to be returned whenever I'm near Best Buy.

While I was using the Mamba I tried out the software for it. Just now I tried out Logitech's software for the G9x. I find it very odd that the defaults aren't the 1000hz polling rates and highest dpi for either of them. It was 500hz and something like 3200 dpi as the highest of the presets.

 

Logitech is biased when it comes to RMA'ing certain product lines. They give absolute priority to G-series customers while their general and OEM line usually get slower service. RMA success is still extremely high if not guaranteed regardless of your product.

I don't know. Unless Avago has a new sensor up it's sleeve that I don't know about, the G9x/G500 will remain as Logitech's flagship mouse for a long time. It was only after the release of the TwinEye "3.5G" and the LaserStream ADNS-9500 that human performance could no longer keep up with the specs of the sensors. Not too many people can snap their arm across a mousepad at over 4m/s and still retain precise control. The scan rate and pixel processing are so ridiculously rapid that it can practically pass as being realtime. The only thing that can probably be increased is DPI, but even high DPI users have reached their physical limit even at the highest of resolutions. I'm using 4000dpi as my primary on 1920x1080 screen with my sensitivity setup so that I can make a full 180 degree turn in 5cm. Anything less than 4.5-5cm will get too jerky for me.

Yes, those are the defaults out of the box for the G9x. They probably set it up that way for performance compatibility for older computers as a 1kHz polling rate can get pretty taxing on the USB controller and on CPU resources when the mouse is speeding along fast on your mousepad.

 

The original Razer DeathAdder (1,800 DPI 3G optical sensor) had a perfect control speed of over 4 m/s, and that was back in 2007.