Introducing the EUROCOM 780W Notebook AC Adapter (Clevo & MSI Ready)

Wholeheartedly agree. I can safely say that it is a rule and the rest are a few exceptions. An engineer(ing team) has a dream, somehow dodges the accountants (which more and more rule the world) and gifts the world with something truly remarkable. If you loved this first thing and live long enough to see the 2nd gen, you might regret that you are still alive. I know that it sounds a bit dramatic, but I HATE when it happens and as I said - it is a rule.

 

Even in the 80's we had to dodge the accountants in product development. Fortunately the ones we had were pretty clueless as far as engineering time so we could hide allot of extra effort that they did not have to pay for. We were all salaried engineers so we would work 50+ hours a week to get the best design with as many refinements that did not break the bank. Being able to spend those extra few days on coming up with a good multi-layer PCB design with plenty of vias for the ground plane to improve shielding, spending a bit of extra effort on component value selection, it all made a difference to the final product.

One of my engineering smacks in the butt came when I tried to get a switching power supply approved under FCC Part 15 (radiated and conducted emissions). It bombed out and I had to go back to the drawing board and tweak things like how wiring was brought in to the case, AC line filter capacitors and inductor placement on the board. Finally I did get it right and the product (had a modem incorporated in to it) passed Part 15 and Part 68 (the telephone system requirements). Nowadays most companies rubber stamp FCC type acceptance (I have issues with that) and we end up with some things that spew out electromagnetic interference. (TiVo, some VoIP home adapters, X-Box power supplies).

I will be buying one of these supplies and drag out my spectrum analyzer just to see how quiet it is. I am also an amateur radio operator (AA4HA) and this has to coexist with my radio hobby as well. It would not surprise me if I had to add some additional filtering to make it play nicely with other things. That is not a complaint, just recognizing the reality of switching power supplies and the lack of interest by most manufacturers for EMI/RFI.

 

@Tishers, with the interchangeable port for the cord, perhaps you'll be able to get multiple uses out of this by designing your own power input power lines to whatever devices you have in your Experimental Gadgets Cave.

 

So, something I've noticed about this adapter. It actually does not turn on its fans under light loads. You could chill playing hearthstone all day and it'll run rather hot and silent, but you put it under some load and the fans kick in. It's actually COOLER under moderate loads than it is under very basic usage. This should let the fans last longer and not gather dust nearly as fast, which I think could be a good thing, though I hope that it does not get too hot when passively cooled. Tomorrow I'll find a time when it's rather warm under minimal load, and I'll use a thermal gun on it and find out the temperature and report back.

 

It never ceases to amaze me how many ignorant (literally ignorant, by definition... I am not being mean or derogatory in saying that,) people there are out there that have zero knowledge of the existence of real high performance notebooks. It's baffling to me, but they are everywhere.

Thanks to Brother @Cass-Olé for pointing out the thread where a few of the uninitiated are exposing said ignorance. Let's see how they react to the sharing of knowledge and enlightenment.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?p=136274#post136274

 

Some people really enjoy talking about what they know nothing about. I hate the whole what is the point of gaming laptops argument. When you are someone like me who has been on the move for the past 14 years how on earth would a desktop satisfy my needs.

Ignorance is a blessing.

 

Well, look what 99% of the notebook users get exposed to; usually it is some corporate-issued Lenovo or a Dell that is just about good enough to run a Microsoft Office application. As abused as business notebooks get they are not the most expensive solutions or most powerful devices out there. Even those who are "enthusiasts" stop right a the Alienware offerings that have some modest capability.

Even for work I lug around a Lenovo with a 4600M CPU at 2.9 GHz and had to fight to get 8 Gig of RAM to run some engineering software. It is not a very high end system.

I have family members who go to WalMart or Sam's Club to buy a personal notebook, that is considered a good system to them.

If you go in to Fry's or Best Buy to notebook shop you may find a higher end system but it is not going to be customized. There are some pretty capable machines sitting on those rows of display models but they see a Lenovo for $450 and then something like an MSI for $2200. Not knowing a 7700K from some $30 BGA processor they will get a machine that has 4 gig of RAM with CPU-bound graphics and spend the rest of he money on a 35" television that "sort of" supports a notebook connection.

Those of us who shop at boutique systems integrators are a bit of a weird bunch; We can debate CAS latencies or the advantages between a Pro or Evo 960. We are shaving off microseconds of time when the regular user is just happy if their machine can bring up the Windows boot screen in less than 30 seconds.

 

I think there's even more to that than most here are willing to admit, not only is there a point to gaming laptops, there's a point to just about every form factor out there that has survived more than a generation or two. If you can't understand why someone would buy [insert style/configuration here] you aren't the target audience and whether you would buy it or even think it's a good product does not matter.

 

My point exactly; if you don't need it, that doesn't render it completely pointless. It's just pointless to you.

 

@Tanner@XoticPC and @MahmoudDewy—perfectly well-said. This 'PC is superior' mentality is worst in Reddit, especially PC Master Race. There are hundreds of people who have done the digital equivalent of a jaw drop (i.e. 'WTF') when I've shown them a high-performance notebook like the P7/P8 series that can blow the performance of 95% of PCs in that sub-Reddit. After they get over their initial shock, they then assume that such a notebook would run extremely hot (I show them @Phoenix's review) and would be extremely expensive (I show them Eurocom and HIDEvolution's prices, hardly $500 more than an equivalently performing, and most importantly, equivalently sized desktop—it is stupid to compare an ATX/E-ATX set-up with a notebook; mini-ITX makes much more sense and is already much more expensive than ATX) and then they finally attempt to salvage their argument by saying 'it is so heavy and loud and big that it's a dumb idea anyway' and I give up.

Notebooks today are so much more well-performing than their predecessors that the desktop-vs-notebook argument, in terms of performance at least, is a dying argument. If the industry (hopefully AMD and co.) manages to develop a unified standard for replaceable components like the CPU socket and GPU, and a unified standard for display connectivity, literally the only argument against notebooks will be that they are a little bit more expensive and maybe run warmer than their desktop counterparts. Desktops are terrible offenders with sound; at full tilt, several 120 mm fans sound easily as loud as a jet engine. Even with sound-dampening and water cooling (which is a massive pain in the neck to set up, good luck to you if your loop leaks which is probable without regular maintenance which is also a pain in the neck), they are annoyingly loud and big. A P650-series notebook can compete easily with a desktop with equivalent specs, which is orders of magnitude bigger. Just the monitor of the desktop set-up would be heavier and bigger than the entire notebook.

I am really hoping that AMD brings its Ryzen in rPGA format, and its new Vega/Navi GPUs to notebooks. The notebook industry is outright at the mercy of the duopoly of nVidia and Intel.

 

But..But... a notebook is not going to have all sorts of flashy light effects visible through the side of the case to show off all of the tech-hotness on the inside! Maybe someone needs to make a chassis for the P870 model that is completely transparent and has little plug in spots for multi-color LED strips and UV lighting so the bling stands out.

If there was room for rational discourse and a comparison purely upon specifications like performance, temperature, power, noise.. and could get over this hang-up that with a notebook you can "only" use the built in display then the desktop-bound PC enthusiasts might take a second look.

Maybe we need to add this perspective as well; when you go on vacation or to work for the day you can toss even a large notebook like a P870 in to a bag and take it along. That way nobody can break in to your place and steal your sh&t. Also when the dam is about to break, the volcano will erupt, the forest fire sweeps through town or the tornado comes roaring across the plains, a notebook can be carried along a heck of alot easier than a big clunky desktop that is reminiscent in size to an old IBM AIX server.

 

But.. But... a notebook Acerbook is not showing flashy ligh effect visible through the side top of the case to show off all of the tech-hotness LIKE THE FAN on the inside! BUT..BUT... It's a Turdbook aka unwanted

 

RGB is ****ing stupid, and Corsair and the various PC companies charging a huge premium just for sticking several LEDs in their products ought to be strongly discouraged. I have an RGB mouse; I just set the colour to a constant, dark blue so that I can see the DPI setting. If I had an RGB keyboard, I'd set the colour either to white or a similarly dark blue or red (for use at night). My case would be transparent, but only for me to inspect the components inside in case of emergency. No RGB lighting. This craze, like everything else, is a phase.

This is the point I bring up most often. The P870, even with its 780 W power adapter, is still a sixth as voluminous and a third to a half as heavy as all but the smallest of desktop systems (notwithstanding custom implementations, which are probably even more expensive than just a notebook). It is much more portable than any desktop. I hardly need mention lighter, less high-end notebooks are even more so. Slide into backpack, zip and go, it's that easy. You need a check-in luggage bag for a full desktop system.

 

Exactly. Sparkling colors around on a laptop look all too silly. Who would use something like this in a meeting with clients? Although you can turn it off... Young Gamer kids like it, so therefore required if the models shall sell?

 

I don't even know what to think of PCMR. It only makes sense as a joke, but they swear up and down it's serious (or at least they did back when I bothered with that site). And agreed, if you're willing to spend the money, you can get 90% or more the performance of a desktop. Even better now that they're using the same chips in both, and that multi-gpu seems to be either on the way out or stagnating.

 

Have jonnyguru received a review unit yet? @Eurocom Support @EurocomTechspert

 

This ridiculously short cord off of the power combiner module is p&ssing me off. It is the most cumbersome, inflexible POS if you even dare to use your notebook on your lap (I do). The length of the plug, the knot of the ferrite filter, the cord thickness and the minimal distance to the module makes it impossible to put it somewhere comfortable that does not constantly get unseated from the back of the notebook

What would of been neat is a 90 degree adapter for the back of the laptop that would allow it to go off to the side (right or left). I may try to find a male and female plug/socket combination and maybe cast something in resin that accomplishes the same task.

I see that the 780 watt PS has a decent cord.

You know what would be a good feature? If Clevo integrated the ferrite filter in to the laptop so you could use a simple plug. then the power supply would only need a ferrite bead right where it comes out of the PS chassis.

BTW, the ferrite filters are there to attenuate the high frequency noise from both the notebook and the power supply; that is why it is present on both ends. If they put it only on one end and not the other the power cord would act like a transmitting antenna and completely blow away any pretense at FCC Part 15 compliance for radiated and conducted emissions.

 

I imagine they didn't consider it because the devices that might require that much power are monstrous desktop replacements, which are more trouble to use on your lap than anything regardless of the cord/filter setup. But longer cords on both sides would be very welcome even for a DTR, cords for the big ones always seem just short enough to make them inconvenient to plug in but just long enough that an extension cord seems like a waste.

 

I use laptops in my lap too. Even placed on a solid surface, the cable comes out easily when the laptop is moved around a bit. Part of that is due to the connector, but the short cable isn't doing it any favors either.

 

That short cord off the power combiner also aggravates me. I have an old CM Storm laptop pad that I put my P870DM3 on when I want to game on the couch, and I have to be very careful with placement of the power supplies and the combiner so cables don't disconnect. Very annoying and another reason to try out this new power supply. Very tempted... By the way, thank you for always posting such well thought out posts

 

I saw someone rig a harness for their AC adapter plug from what looked like heavy gauge wire. Makes me think that would be a nice feature for a system to have built in, something that can lock the plug in place during use. Though I guess that would turn tripping over the cord from a minor annoyance to an out of warranty repair, so maybe not the best idea. Still something that would make disconnects less frequent would be welcome.

 

@Mr. Fox What does the power meter read on your adapter when nothing is plugged in?

 

I think it varies a little depending on how long it has been unplugged from AC power and what is stored in the capacitors. I will have to leave it unplugged for a while to check, but it think it is something like 60-70W, which is normal. It's going to push some output power even if there is nothing attached to receive it.

 

Have jonnyguru received a sample to review?


@Eurocom Support @EurocomTechspert

 

I don't know, but they do have a thread on it.

 

This is the exact same reason why I'm also considering this new adapter from Eurocom. I also use it on the lap sometimes with a lap desk/pad. The short length of the converter makes it cumbersome. Besides a single adapter sounds much better than 2 sets of adapters and cables.

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So, who all has one of these now, or has one on order? I liked it on day one, but the longer I have it the more I like it. It's so much better than farting around with two 330W AC adapters that it's not even funny.

I got this press release a few days ago, got busy and forgot to share it.

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Eurocom 780 Watt AC/DC Adapter addresses power bottlenecks for high-performance SLI laptop vendors and users

Contact:
Braden Taylor
[email protected]
@EurocomTech
613-656-7961

Eurocom has developed the world’s first 780 Watt External AC/DC Adapter that is ideal for high-performance SLI laptop developers as well as users and weighs only 2.9 pounds.

“The EUROCOM 780W External AC/DC Adapter/Power Supply brings an unprecedented level of mobile power to owners of high-performance SLI laptops, VR users, and overclockers who require more power than has been available before this innovative solution,” said Mark Bialic, Eurocom President. “On top of the performance and capability, this adapter is also loaded with features such as the LED display, detachable/removable DC cable with screw locking mechanism, power switch, auto switching capability, and dual high-speed fans for thermal management.”

As laptops continue to increase in performance and power consumption, the AC adapters that power them have not kept pace. To combat this, Eurocom has been supplying customers with either a single 330 Watt adapter or two 330 Watt AC Adapters connected to the laptop through a dongle connector. While the 660W solution was able to provide sufficient power to the chassis and internal components, it was not a convenient or mobile solution. To resolve this, Eurocom has been developing a higher wattage adapter solution for several years.

Now available, a 780W AC Adapter/Power Supply solution that is only slightly larger than a single 330W solution can provide more than enough power to laptops with top-of-the-line SLI graphics cards, socket-based desktop CPUs, multiple storage drives, and multiple memory modules with adequate headroom for overclocking the CPU and GPU(s).

“There is a serious lack of AC adapters for laptops that are equipped with (dual) SLI graphics like the Clevo P870DM, MSI GT83VR, Alienware 18, Asus ROG G800” stated Mark Bialic. “Even though the quality and specs of these laptops are very high, they come with two independent AC adapters that are supposed to provide enough power to run SLI high-performance cards at full speed. However, the problem is that two AC adapters are not very practical, and on the top of that, an extra adapter is needed to connect them together. So the idea to provide one instead of two was driven by our customers, especially because the single option is lighter, smaller and has its own cooling system.”

The 780 W AC/DC Adapter/Power Supply was developed to power the high-performance laptops that Eurocom specializes in, such as the Sky X9E2 and Sky X7E2. This high-efficiency AC adapter can be applied to a variety of high-performance applications, where high efficiency, highly mobile, rugged power supplies are needed. The EUROCOM Sky X9E2 can consume upwards of 600 W during heavy load due to its support of dual NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 graphics in SLI, an Intel Core i7 7700K desktop processor, up to four DDR4 SODIMM, four storage drives, a 17.3” 4k display and Thunderbolt 2 peripherals. The 780 W AC Adapter has plenty of overhead to accommodate future technology as well as extreme overclocking so a lack of power never holds our customers back.

“The 780W AC/DC Adapter brings an unprecedented level of convenience to owners of large desktop replacement notebooks that would normally require two 330W AC adapters. Whether the customer is a traveler that benefits by having one less item to lug around in their backpack or briefcase, or a customer that uses their laptop in the same place every day, the reduction in clutter and weight are things that are easy to appreciate,” says Mr. Fox, Technology Tester, Overclocker, reviewer of 780W AC adapter. “The LCD panel that shows the power draw is wonderful.”

Mr. Fox continues, “this product supports all Clevo and MSI notebooks that use the four-conductor DIN-type connector. With plans to offer a variety of removable cords with different connections at the laptop end, this product has potential to become an item of interest for all high-performance notebook owners.”

The 780W AC/DC adapter is equipped with two high-speed fans and ventilation ports to manage the thermals of the internal components of chassis. Since the AC adapter has high efficiency the internal, built-in cooling system rarely kicks in and when it does the high-speed fans make little noise.

Unique Features:

• LED Display

A LED display gives users a real-time breakdown of the amps, volts, and wattage. ​

• Detachable AC and DC Cables

Allows for easy mobility and setup. ​

• Power Switch

Convenient power switch to turn adapter on or off to conserve power. ​

• Thermal Solution

Dual high-speed fans for thermal management.​

• Auto-Switching Capability

The range of input voltage is from 90Vac to 264Vac to accommodate worldwide deployment. ​

• Locking DC Cable

Heavy-duty screw locking mechanism ensures the DC cable does not accidentally detach.​

• Industrial-Grade Heavy-Duty Metal Chassis

A metal powder-coated enclosure provides a simple yet classy exterior that won’t feel ​

​

Physical Characteristics

Dimensions:
• 12.8” / 325mm Length
• 4.3” / 110mm Width
• 1.5” / 40mm Height
DC Cable Length:
• 75.5” / 1917.7mm DC
Weight:
• Adapter: 2.9 lbs / 1.32 kg
• Cable: .85 lbs / .38 kg​

About Eurocom:
Eurocom is the leading developer of long lifespan, fully upgradable notebooks, as well as, high-performance mobile workstations and servers since 1989. Eurocom prides itself as an Industry leader in providing ground-breaking technology and continues to engineer innovative solutions that inspire individuals and companies to new growth and development. For more information on Eurocom, please visit us at www.eurocom.com.

Online Resources:
Online Article: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/release(364)ec
Product Page/Specifications: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,404,0)ec
First Look video:

Images: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/images(404)ec

Mr. Fox Review:
Written Review: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...w-notebook-ac-adapter-clevo-msi-ready.801145/
Quick Review Video:

 

I just placed an order a few minutes ago. It should arrive in the next few hours <j/k>

Last week I lugged around my Slappa backpack with a P870, dual power bricks a Lenovo laptop with power supply and a chromebook Pixel through several airports. My back and shoulders were not very happy with me for several days.

I brought the chromebook Pixel to give it away to a friend who needed a new computer so I did not need to return home with that.

I am still cursing this dual 330 PS arrangement and the stupidly short power cord.

Maybe we need to include saddle bags and a mule to carry this stuff around.

 

Give the Everki Titan a try. Even with around 25lbs of laptops and other computing paraphernalia, it still feels light enough to feel comfortable carrying around on my back. If you order it from Amazon you can return it for the shipping cost if you find it doesn't suit your needs.

 

I am disappointed with the Slappa as it does not have any padding along the upper corners of the bag for the edges of the laptop. Also the handle at the top is fragile and I have already heard threads snapping when I lift the bag. The zippers with zippers on the outside bag are useless.

 

I just bought this: https://www.amazon.com/Alienware-ScanFast-Checkpoint-Friendly-17-3-Inch/dp/B001GI5CSA

Hoping it can carry my P870DM3, 780w ac adapter, few notebooks and pencils and an iPad.


Update: Everything fits!

 

How do you like it? I really LOVED mine. So convenient and well made. Sold it with my Alienware M18xR2.

Who else has one of the 780W adapters now?

 

So I have a question. I just got my 780w power supply and it seems to be working great. When I use the switch in the back to turn it off it makes a "click" sound about 5 times (sounds like a hard drive head crash) and then stops.

Wasn't sure if that was normal or not. Also, just while writing this post I had the PSU plugged in (but turned off), and the laptop plugged into it, and about every minute the LCD will flash. I know this isn't the way I'll leave it but I am curious if anyone has noticed it.

 

Mine makes the same very muted clicking noise. Also if you listen very carefully you can hear it make a faint ultrasonic whining noise. You need to be in a totally silent room to hear it.

 

I think the click is a switch of some sort. Mine does it sometimes, but I rarely turn it off and seldom have an opportunity to hear it. The LCD flashing is something I have not seen, but I have not ever turned it off with the laptop plugged in and left it off long enough. When I get home this weekend (don't have it with me on my business trip) I will see if it does that.

 

Okay cool. I don't think I'm too worried about it. The click I hear is loud (about as loud as hearing a hard drive head crash if the drive was on a table beside me). Granted, the power adapter is up on the arm of a chair right beside me to if I put it on the floor it wouldn't be too bad.

 

Getting mine soon, way tired of dealing with 2 bricks and the loosely fitting converter box.

 

Mine also makes the clicking sound, the meter is off and it has a faint whining noise and the fans make noise when they shut off...

 

The first one might be the PSU "relay"'s clicking as they drain charge in the power supply stored in the caps for safety - and to increase cap life. There might be a shutdown sequence that includes 5 relay engagements, but that sounds like a lot.

If the LCD flash is regular, and you are on battery, it might be warning of low battery, or there might be a race condition between "dimming" timeout and some other app re-engaging the LCD - keeping it on.

Sounds interesting, do let us know what you find out

 

Noob question.... Is this compatible with tornado F5? Or the AC socket going to the laptop is replaceable?

 

I actually don't have one *yet*

I was just mentioning how the backpack I got will fit one when I do get it.

I heard there's a buy one get one 50% off going on right now, would be nice to split the cost with someone.

It fits and works, but the question is, can the F5 pull more than 330W or is it limited? @Mr. Fox

 

Man wish I would have waited to get my buy one get 50% off if that is true. I could always use one around the house and one always in my bag.


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I was just thinking of getting the 780w power supply. If there is any truth to this deal, please let me know. Otherwise $475 is a lot. It would be really nice to not carry around 2 bricks though.

 

Whats the buy 1 get one for? If its the bag then i might be interested.

 

Naw Eurocom is having a buy one power supply, get one 50% off from their site.

So if you buy one for $475 off their site, the second one will be $237.50.

 

Ah that literally comes down to the same cost of the listing you posted the other day.

 

It's actually a bit cheaper using the listing and you only have to purchase one that way.

 

Where is that listing again? I'd really like to get one of these adapters, but the $475 price tag is a bit steep for me right now.

 

http://m.ebay.com/itm/780W-AC-Adapt...-w-DC-cable-/112289150008?txnId=1657452231001

I got mine on Monday from this listing. $356 shipped. It's a serious piece of hardware. I'm impressed. Now I just need an overclocking lesson, see how far I can push the power supply.

 

It's no longer on sale, it's back to the normal price.