Acer Aspire 1410 and 1810 Timeline 11.6" Thread

I second that

 

yeah, im interested to see it as well!

 

Did I miss something? What happened to the 40GB installed in the 1410?

 

Hmmm, if that is the case, why not have a side-by-side video of the 1410+40Gb G1 and 1810t+80Gb G2 ?

 

I may have missed it in previous posts, but I can use another acer adaptor instead, right? Using a 90W adapter (19V, over 4A -just by logic reasoning, I didn't read it from the adaptor-), would charge the battery alot faster, or am I overlooking something here?

 

Is it just me or is the 4k transfer look horrible? Maybe it's because you didn't align the data block on the SSD?

http://thunk.org/tytso/blog/2009/02/22/should-filesystems-be-optimized-for-ssds/

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2022304

 

Ok i`m done with formatting installing etc etc. Pretty pleased with the result so far, i was doing all the work on AC power and now its the first time i connected the battery.

I will try to do a few full circles at the start to have the battery at its 100%!

1810tray saved the day for me , pretty little thing, the fan was driving me crrrrrrazy!!

Only bad thing is , that with 1810tray on and the fan almost silent i can really hear the HDD doing its work. I checked it and its a WD. Should the drive be that loud? Any tips and tricks to shut it up ?
It feels like there is another little fan running all the time! Am i losing it or should a Hard drive sound like this?

Thank guys for all the help, buying this machine was defo the right move!

 

Girlfriend is using the AS1410 that has the new Kingston 40GB SSD. The AS1810T has the 80GB Intel G2.

I'll try to make a YouTube video this weekend!

Yeah. I just noticed that too. I'm trying to diagnose it right now; the 40GB in the AS1410 is more than double in 4kB random read than the 80GB in the AS1810T... It's weird. The offset should be correct since Windows 7 creates a 100MB "reserved" partition with a 1,024KB offset (which is 256 pages) so both that partition and the "regular" partition should be properly offset.

I'll dig into it later tonight when I have some time but it's definitely weird. It might be because I Ghost'ed the old drive to the SSD, but I did that too with the AS1410 & Kingston 40GB SSD and the 4kB random reads are twice what my 80GB are showing and the 80GB should be closer to 55MB/sec in 4kB random reads... But the 4kB random writes seem to be fine... WEIRD!

Cheers,
Kermee

 

I had an EEE with an N270 for a year, it was not that bad. You just need to learn the Atom's limits. And Flash will run great on the Mini 311 when 10.1 is released.

 

Hmm what do i need to install to get it working? I did a recovery onto a new SSD and started deleting all the crapware. I guess i mustave deleted one of the programs that displays the osd

 

My $0.02.

There's a reason why the fan is there and there's a reason why the fan is spinning, if you force it off it's almost like manually shutting off your radiator fan in your car.

Expect accelerated wear & tear on the HD.

 

Im not talking about shutting it off completely.

I just set the fan to start working after 54 Degrees.

Is that too much for the machine to handle?

 

Yeah. That's probably fine. I left mine at the default of 52C. It all depends on your ambient temperature.

Cheers,
Kermee

 

Install the "Acer Launchmanager" from Acer's website: that controls the OSD AFAIK.

 

Isn't the NAND page size much larger than 4k, and so is the block addressing? Speaking from fundamentals here, not sure how the controller implements it, but is there evidence that the 4 K write (or even read) speed should be considerably better?

Edit: Okay, so the block write size is 512 K, even though the page size is 4 K. This means that in a situation where you're modifying an already written page (erase+write), the block-erase will cost you speed. So with my baby-step understanding, I think the 4 K write speed would be reasonably high when you have unwritten ("blank") memory cells (OR using the Win7 TRIM?), but write speed for 4 K will suffer quite a bit otherwise. So my though remains that 4 K writes in a non-blank (that is, under use) SSD as Kermee's is expected to be low. That number should go up however, in a "formatted" SSD... unless I am taking this too simplistically.

 

Some will be interested in this new HP DM1 listing at ~Amazon UK.
At £469.99 it might well be competitive with our beloved AS1410.
"due to be released on November 23, 2009"

HP Pavilion dm1-1020sa
11.6 inch LED Display
Windows 7 Home Premium
DualCore Processor SU2300
250 GB SATA HDD
3 GB RAM (supports up to 8GB DDR2 memory )
6-hour battery
Wireless b/g, maybe not N
10/100 Base-T Ethernet LAN, maybe not 1000

 

Some hard disks are like that... I remember having a Toshiba Satellite which had a hard disk that constantly sounded like a jet engine whine. I had it changed and the second hard disk, though of a different make, had a very similar whine and I just had to live with it. However, there wasn't a functional problem with either drive. It made me wonder if the hard disk mount in the mobo/chassis has something to do with it...

Thankfully, my 1810t's hdd is very silent -- its a Hitachi, but I doubt if the make has much to do with it.

 

Also available right now in the UK is the:

Acer Aspire 1810TZ - £447.71 Inc VAT - Available Now

* Intel Pentium Dual Core 1.3Ghz SU4100 Processor, 2M L2 Cache, 800Mhz FSB
* 11.6 inch Acer CineCrystal LED-backlit TFT LCD
* 3 GB RAM
* 250GB 5400rpm Serial ATA Hard Drive
* 802.11 b/g/Draft-N WLAN
* 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet LAN
* Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD
* 0.3 Megapixel CrystalEye Webcam
* 3 USB 2.0 Ports
* VGA and HDMI Ports
* 6-cell Lithium-Ion battery (up to 6 hours battery life).
* Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium

Buy Link: http://www.oyyy.co.uk/product.php/1...0mhd--black-/3e250ac85d41c38e6ff565a9fbcdf409

If you care about Virtual Machine Extensions support (VMWare) you'll want the SU2300 based HP, otherwise the SU4100 based 1810TZ is a better buy.

 

It wouldn't charge faster, because the laptop is limiting the charging current, not the PSU.

 

Ok, next week 1080p youtube.

Right now all the sites are linking this crappy test video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUM1284TqFc&fmt=37

Can you proud owners test it and give some feed back plz.

 

That video is broken.

 

Hmm thats weird, mine is crappy at playing 1080p videos on battery at least.

What the hell? What am i doing wrong ppl? 720p runs smooth enough

 

seems fine to me

 

I'm using Firefox. When I press play, that buffering circle is flickering and it doesn't start to play. When it is fully buffered it runs in fast motion mode. When I press play again I get a 1fps slidshow till the middle of the vid and then that buffering circle pops up again and the vid seems to run normally.

 

Any tips and tricks about 1080p not running smoothly on mine guys? Help much appreciated.

I tryed following the steps from Timeline tweaks but no banana.

I usually run KMPlayer with CoreAVC + Matroska

 

It's running fine for me on both IE8 and firefox, granted I do have a crappy net connection and it takes to get it entirely buffered, but no probs.

 

Sorry, I'm absolutely no video expert. Afaik the latest media player plus the latest graphics driver should automatically use DXVA in Win7. The tips in Timeline Tweaks use Media Player Classic HC, I think. You could judge by checking CPU usage if DXVA is enabled.

 

I'm not sure, but I think kmplayer only uses the proc's power with it's internal codecs, and doesn't use the 4500's hardware acceleration

 

Exactly the same behaviour both in Firefox and IE.
I fixed it by removing &fmt=37 from the link that was posted by sharaktengu. Simply click on this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUM1284TqFc link and then switch to HD. Should play perfectly fine now. It does skip a few frames and CPU at 100% but it is pretty playable.

 

dog video plays fine inside opera browser with several tabs open

 

DXVA (DirectX Video acceleration) offloads most of the video decoding processing from the CPU to the GPU (graphics processor). Many lower-mid range CPUs are too weak to decode 1080p HD content smoothly (or without high/100% CPU usage) by itself without the help of the GPU through an acceleration technology like DXVA.

For DXVA to work it has be supported by your graphics processor, graphics drivers, and video playing software.

As far as graphics processors are concerned medium-higher end NVidia (8/9 series), some ATI based chipsets, and the Intel 4500MHD graphics processor (Acer 1410/1810T/1810TZ) support DXVA.

Software of note that supports DXVA includes Windows 7 Windows Media Player 12 (smoothest, looks best on 4500MHD) and Media Player Classic Home Cinema.

Media player software that can leverage registered system/and or Media Foundation (Windows 7 DXVA) codecs (verified with Zoom Player) can work in DXVA mode. The settings to enable DXVA playback on these 3rd party players are player specific (for Vista/Windows 7 the first step is to make sure the player outputs in EVR mode, and the second step is to make sure a DXVA capable codec has preference in the filter graph).

Note: For a DXVA capable codec to work in DXVA mode it likes to be last filter process in the graph. So if you have the VSFilter / DirectVobSub subtitled filter enabled then your video will not play in DXVA mode. An alternative is to use Media Player Classic Home Cinema's internal subtitle support which doesn't have this limitation.

Windows Media Player 12 in Windows 7 works the most smoothly for the most demanding content (especially out HDMI and for Intel 4500MHD based portables). Windows Media Player 12 has built-in DXVA support for H.264 (usually packaged in an MKV files, MP4 files, and BluRay titles), VC1 (usually packaged in HD WMV files), and MPEG-2 (DVD Video) content. Media Player Classic Home Cinema has DXVA support for only H.264 content, has built-in video/audio codecs for almost every file type imaginable and is great for subtitled H.264 content.

Video software of note that DOES NOT support DXVA includes VLC, CoreAVC H.264 codec, Adobe Flash Player, and Apple Quicktime Player.

Adobe Flash Player 10.1 is reported to support DXVA when released (maybe end of year/early next year). NVidia is helping Adobe implement video acceleration in Flash Player 10.1, but from what I've read they're not using a NVidia proprietary technology like CUDA, they're using DXVA which the 4500MHD will be able to leverage.

High definition Flash and Quicktime content internally uses H.264 video so if you use a tool that downloads the original raw video data and play it through a DXVA capable player it will play smoothly.

Here's a freeware Windows app to download regular and HD Youtube content to a video file:
http://www.youtubedownloaderhd.com/

Here are some 720p and 1080p HD video samples you can test with:
http://www.h264info.com/?page_id=20
http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/index.php/download/ (ignore the streaming versions, you want the regular MP4 or H.264 videos)
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MKV Playback

BBC Planet Earth : From Pole to Pole test clip - This is the ultimate bring your system to its knees stress test, if you can play this video smoothly you can play anything smoothly.

To play this file through Windows Media Player 12 you'll need an MKV splitter (Media Player Classic Home Cinema has built-in support for MKV files but the Haali MKV splitter is still recommended) :

MKV splitter for Windows 7 32bit:
http://haali.su/mkv/MatroskaSplitter.exe

MKV splitter for Windows 7 64bit. This installer comes with both a 32bit & 64bit MKV splitter (Windows Media Player by default runs in 32bit mode, Windows Media Center runs in 64bit mode) :
http://haali.net/mkv/mkx.y.9.exe

Then to enable/associate MKV files with Windows Media Player and Windows Media Center download either the x86 or x64 registry file and double-click to add it to your registry. Allow it to be added when prompted. Restart your machine.

If you don't get audio in Windows Media Player then you should also download/install AC3Filter and CoreAAC:
http://ac3filter.net/projects/ac3filter
http://www.free-codecs.com/CoreAAC_Directshow_filter_download.htm

To play this file in Media Player Classic Home Cinema on 4500MHD based graphic chipsets you'll need to apply a registry tweak to play out of spec videos in DXVA mode:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=T2X8FLAJ

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Guide to playing DXVA content with Media Player Classic Home Cinema:
http://nunnally.ahmygoddess.net/watching-h264-videos-using-dxva/

For those of you who like codec packs (I hate them), the best one for Windows 7 (available in both 32bit and 64bit varieties) is Shark's:
http://shark007.net/

Technical Details of DXVA:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX_Video_Acceleration

 

Great post, +Rep

Edit:
Soon, after spreading some, you know

 

Just wow!

thanks a lot for that big big answer, really solved everything mate

Cheers!

Sadly i got a few questions

First of all the "video benchmark" i`m using is Home 2009 in 1080p format. Does the WM12 play subtitles? I got the file in the same folder with the exact name, would this work? And one more thing. Even though KmPlayer skips i get the option to seek, WM doesn`t let me do that

 

If you can't seek mkv files with Windows Media Player, something is screwy with the registry, I've seen that particular problem on a system before, but I did a clean install before trying to troubleshoot it, on a clean installation I could seek just fine in Windows Media Player 12.

Windows Media Player does not support subtitles in DXVA mode, Media Player Classic Home Cinema using the built-in subtitles support does. So does KMplayer, but you have to configure/tweak KMPlayer to work in DXVA mode (by outputing in EVR Custom Mode, and using System Default H.264 decoder (assuming you're running Windows 7), though I don't know the specific steps for that since I don't use KMPlayer.

Edit: Did you try the x64 mkv reg file for Windows Media Player 12 linked in my post above, does it fix the seeking capability?

VVV Yep, that's a known issue, VT support was enabled for the 1410 in a BIOS update.

 

Hi All,

Just FYI, I purchased a 1410 - 2285.

Its a CULV Celeron SU2300. It *might* come with Intel VT enabled by default.

I say might because I had problems loading the kvm_intel modules in Fedora 12 Beta , as well as Ubuntu 9.10 i386.

After that I updated the BIOS to v *something 120.

I can now run Virtualbox with VT support, as well as load the kvm_intel modules on Ubuntu 9.10 x86_64.

So go figure

 

Yes, the default bios in my 1410/SU2300 disabled VT support.. Once I updated to v3120, all was happy in kvm land.

If your going to run Linux, also look for the external acerhdf module - I've added support the 1410/v3120 bios to it, and that will really quiet down your fan.

 

Has anbody ever tried to use Windows 7 64 bit with VT/Comp. on a SU4100 ? Especially XP-Mode would be interesting. Or is it missing?

This thread has evolved, is it clear which battery comes with the
1810/SU7300?

 

su4100 doesn't support VT and 1810Ts have 5600mAh batteries.

 

And what happens when i try to use Windows 7 in XP-Mode on SU4100-based machines?
Is it not working or just slow??

 

I don't know. In Home Premium XP-mode isn't implemented anyway.

 

my 1410 is good and i enjoy playing with my fan-rpm on it. thanks.

 

SU4100 doesn't have VT, and XP-Mode requires it, it simply won't run. An alternative is to use VirtualBox or VMWare which doesn't require VT, but will run better with it.

If you really wanted to check, Microsoft provides a VT support checker tool in step 2 here:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx

Virtual PC (which XP Mode uses) will work with Home Basic, Home Premium, Enterprise, Professional, and Ultimate editions of Windows 7.

XP Mode itself (which is just Virtual PC with a installed licensed copy of XP Pro SP3) will only work with Enterprise, Professional, and Ultimate editions of Windows 7.

I have the, Acer 1810T-8638 (SU7300), it came with a 11.1v 5600mAh LI-ON battery.

 

Hi there!

My bluetooth module arrived yesterday and finally I have had some time to mount it. Everything fine! It's nice to have bluetooth again

Mounting was a bit difficult, since the cable was 6 cm long and with 2 it would have been ok, so it was a bit difficult to fit the cable in there.. but at the end everything went ok.

I would recommend the buyer I bought from, linknergy. Received in less than a week, from the USA to Spain, and everythink absolutely trouble free. Of course, that's a personal experience.

 

Patrick, did you bought your 1810 in Spain ?
Im from Portugal and and getting a bit crazy in finding an 1810t(z).. only find 1410 with lower su2300...

 

I'm confused!

Which processor do I want, the SU4100 or SU7300?

 

The one that fits you best


People im going nuts with the noisy WD Scorpio Blue that my 1810T came with

I`m currently searching for a replacement, i will turn this one into an external HDD.

So now what? Should i go for the full experience and get a 64GB Kingston SSD for 120 euro (here in Greece) or a Seagate 500GB 7200@ Momentus for a 100?

Any other suggestions please? I mean seriously the HDD is louder than my fan!

 

Maybe you have a faulty HDD ? Tried to run some diag. utility to check HDD health ?

Btw, the 1410 that i find in portugal has 1410-233G32N ref. and points at 6cell batery (means 5600 one ?)

 

My Scorpio Blue is also a bit noisy, 2.5" HDDs are supposed to be quiet

 

The 4400mAh has 6 cells, too.

 

The 1410`s got a 4400mAh and the 1810`s get the 5600


Der mali my HDD seems to be ok, i just get this annoying noise like there is another fan running inside.

Does anyone here know any super silent 2,5 HDD that aren`t ssd? I dont really care that much about the GB.