Acer Aspire 1410 and 1810 Timeline 11.6" Thread

http://www.endpcnoise.com/cgi-bin/e/std/sku=quiet_laptop_drive.html

Something is wrong with your hdd or you're actually hearing your fan.

 

I cant be hearing my fan since i turn it off to check the disk!

I`m not saying its so loud, i`m saying that there is an annoying sound , like a fan turning at low speed.

What about other owners of the 1810T or else with a WD Blue Scorpio drive? What are your comments on the noise?

 

I think I have figured out what is the problem, AAM was disabled


EDIT: On another note, I don't know what the hell is wrong with my AS1410. In the first days of usage it reported a battery life of 6:21h, then it became 5:51h and now it only reports 5:38h! Can anyone explain this to me?

 

EDIT: On another note, I don't know what the hell is wrong with my AS1410. In the first days of usage it reported a battery life of 6:21h, then it became 5:51h and now it only reports 5:38h! Can anyone explain this to me?[/QUOTE]

Same here, the first week it was 6:36 then after the first drain to calibrate, went down to 5:25 an now three weeks later shows 4:30

 

I think I know what you are saying. I am also annoyed by the WD drive that comes with the 1810T.

This is the second WD drive I've ever got... the first drive (a 100G 7200RPM one) came with a Thinkpad T61p a while ago. And I immediately replaced it with a Hitachi drive because it was also quite annoying. I have had many Hitachi drives and I must say they are excellent drives.

So, I'm thinking to replace this WD with another Hitachi too.

 

Thats ironic, while not meaning to rub it in, my 1810t actually came stock with a Hitachi. Can you guys not ask for warranty repair for the really loud disk -- maybe you'll luck out with a Hitachi in the process. As I've said before, I'm suffered the same fate of a whining hdd with my Toshiba Satellite, but it was Fujitsu hdd in that one.

 

My HDD is whisper quiet. TOSHIBA MK2555GSX HDD came stock with my Canadian 1410. Even when fan is off you can't hear the drive. I wouldn't recommend anything Toshiba to anyone though

As for asking for a drive replacement from Acer -- do not bother, it is a waste of time. I've tried it before (3 times): they just send you a REALLY beat-up ancient "refurbished" drive that is usually way worse than the one you have. The only way you can get your harddrive swapped for a relatively good one is to send your laptop for some major repair, such as failing LCD or motherboard, as it seems to be a standard procedure for Acer to swap HDD.

 

Nice doggy, but not much of a "test" video (after removing "&fmt=37" from the URL).
Even plays pretty well using Google's Chrome on my
little ~Lenovo~S10 Atom N270. Just slightly choppy.

 

So much for 6h battery life

 

What is ironic is that we hate you already and we don`t even know you

Hehe, just joking, well maybe a Toshiba is the way to go for me. I will look into it.

Should the single platter drives be quiter than the double ones? I mean the 250GB Toshiba has a single platter, but what about your 320gig soliton? Double or single?

About the battery life, my first usage -out of the box battery no recharge- gave me 5hours and now its reporting at 99% 11 hours in power saver mode



The image comes with lowest brightness, wifi + bt off HDD powersaving aero disabled, the lot!

With normal use still in power saver mode it reports around 7:30 hours

 

Yes, I bought it in Spain. Here, you can find them in Carrefour, Fnac and PCCity stores, at 499€. It's only the 1810TZ, with the SU4100; the 1810T with SU7300 doesn't seem to be available in spain yet.

 

Well, Battery Bar just 'learns' how you use your device and calculates the battery life based on this info. You should apply less load, then battery life goes up. The CULV machines have nice tricks to reduce power consumption when the load is small but with so much horsepower there naturally has to be a higher power consumption under higher load. In my usage scenerio which can be described as medium load and standby when not in use(no hibernation or shut down at all) I get 6:45 on the 5600mAh battery. You have also to keep in mind that longer periods of standby drain the battery too and will be considered in Battery Bar's calculations. Battery Bar won't add standby time to total time but instead it will recognize that some juice is missing after wake up.

 

The only "load" it ever gets is web browsing and some messenger usage. Nothing more.
It just idles with Opera open with about 3/4 tabs and WiFi on most of the time.

 

The most critical features are power saving mode of the Wifi card and power saving of the Intel graphics chip. Sometimes the Wifi power saving 'hangs' and I have to switch to a different power scheme and back to max power saving before it works like it should. There are some tips in Timeline Tweaks, see 'optimizing battery life and undervolting'. But to be honest, 5:31h doesn't sound that bad for the 4400mAh version.

 

I have the 1410 model with the SU2300 and 4400mAh battery, and with 30% backlight and VID set to 0.9v via CrystalCPUID I get about 6hr+ on full charge on a japanese battery benchmark called Bbench (Bbench is a really simple benchmark, it types "0123456789" every 10 secs to prevent the backlight from turning off/going into hibernation and visits preset URLs every 60secs, which sort of replecates light usage). I had GbE and bluetooth off while WiFi was on. If only we could get the 1810 model with SU7300 and the 5600mAh battery.....dang AcerJapan (they only sell the 1410T here and it costs about 530usd....xxxx)

I think I could enhance battery life by using a software ramdisk for browser cache, but I'm happy as is.

 

As some1 living in Tokyo , I know the pain.

 

Now it's just 3:34h... bad battery?
I'm sorry but this is my first notebook and this is all new to me.

 

well you need to use a FLASH blocker, as FLASH based banners and Ads just eats up battery, as FLASH is decoded on the CPU so it never gets to power down... I use AppBlockerPlus in FF, it blocks all those CPU hogging FLASH adds , still allows FLASH/You Tube when I want...

 

Check this out: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=91846

 

You know, Acer rewarded me for pre-ordering the 1810 before release, with a noise-free hdd

Seriously though, I feel your pain, having the suffered the same fate for years with a Toshiba Satellite. Note though that my Toshiba laptop (circa 2001 - 2003) had a stock whiny Fujitsu HDD and on replacement, it was a still a whiny HDD, just made by Toshiba themselves -- go figure... So if you are thinking of changing the hdd, I'd recommend Hitachi (they acquired IBM's hdd business) since someone else (prikolchik?) also recommended them. My Hitachi 320 Gb is from this series, and the 320 Gb should have two platters, according to the specs there. I doubt also that it'd have much to do with the number of platters, because I think the noise is due to the vibration of the spindle+motor, most likely the motor itself... doesn't it sound like a high-speed electric motor?

If I were you, I'd use this as a valid excuse to splurge on a SSD though, especially now that those cheap Kingston branded SSDs are becoming available

Good to see better battery results... I hope that happens to me sometime --- what make is your battery? Mine's a Sanyo

 

Did you check if it is actually true? What is your idle power consumption? Any battery wear, yet?

Oh yes! Totally forgot about it. ABP is the first thing I install after installing Firefox.

 

I`m really tempted by the 64gig Kingston SSDnow but i read in some forums (including this one) that low priced ssd`s lose some of their power within time.

Is this correct?

I guess i could just grab a 250gig Toshiba for 40 euro or so for now, and just wait for the SSD`s to become better and cheaper!

It actually sounds like there are 2 fans in the case. I for the cpu and one for the HDD

About the battery i will check it later since im draining it now after my first full charge.

 

I'll let the SSD experts (Kermee?) answer this with some authority (as I'm on the learning curve), but I think if the firmware supports Window's 7 TRIM command (Intel's do, with a current caveat), they don't generally lose the performance. For some non-Intel controllers (Indilinx?) the performance degradation isn't that severe... and Kermee said that Kingston SSDs will get TRIM support later.

Recommend excellent articles at Anandtech such as this one on various SSD makes (the controller is the key and so is the silicon to an extent).

 

Battery Bar reports 3:34h and Windows reports 3:46h... I'm befuddled. I am yet to test it.
What do you mean by battery wear? Battery Bar says a discharge rate of -5.300mW on average.

 

Guys i`m still confused with the drivers for my 1810T

After my clean install i downloaded the recommended drivers from Acer`s site. Some got updated later via Windows Update

Then i checked Intel.com autoupdate and some of the items were OK but my Graphics card for example said that i had some custom drivers on.

I downloaded the latest Intel GM45 drivers and now Intel reports that they are up to date.

What are the recommended drivers? We could make a list or something (I`ve seen some in Acer Tweaks but still can find differences - similarities with Windows - Acer - Intel drivers)

For all i know my Sound Card`s drivers should be downloaded from realtek

 

Here you can see a screenshot and the lowest entry is the wear level indicator:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5518699&postcount=1260

Having a discharge rate of 5.3W and showing 3:46h in Windows at the same time is impossible with full capacity.

@mogolfiero
Just use the drivers from Timeline Tweaks. If you can't install them you have to uninstall the old ones first and reboot and/or(don't know for sure if both) edit an .inf file see here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5465939&postcount=362
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5466246&postcount=365

 

Thanks der mali
What about multiple drivers? Like Camera 3g etc?

How can I find out which model my camera is, for example?

 

I suggest trial and error, one of the drivers should fit I've disabled my camera as I've no use for it. I might disconnect it and use the USB port for something else if I need it for a mod.

 

That's what Battery Bar tells me! LOL Wear is 0.0%


Oh, I just remembered, this afternoon I ran Orthos stress testing for a while, that could be the culprit. After a shutdown Windows' battery indicator is now reporting 6:38h so eh, it's probably just a glitch.

BTW, do you turn off Aero? I don't know how much power, if any, that would save.


EDIT: Scratch that, Windows is now reporting 8:22h Still... Battery Bar has to be wrong.
EDIT 2: Eh... after loading Opera and etc it went back down to 6:47h.
EDIT 3: Battery Bar just started reporting 6:09h left (though with 3:39h still as the max capacity).

 

yea..the atom isnt HORRIBLE (yes it is actually)....and 10.1 will allow the ion to do flash...but there is absolutely no reason for me to stick with this 311. slower processor, less memory, smaller HD, no battery life, horrible design, horrible touchpad, heavier, thicker....the ONLY thing that the 311 has on the acer is the ion gpu. If i played games, maybe it would matter to me, but as it stands..the 4500mhd will do everything that I wanted the ion for.... multi-format video acceleration.
The processor in the 1810t will allow me to watch flash smoothly...and even when the flash upgrade comes out, it wont fix the horrible netflix playback on the 311..because it uses silverlight (which IS gpu accelerated..but netflix has not yet incorporated it into its player).
also, all of my other apps are unbearably slow on this mini....i cant wait till i get home from the west coast and get to play with the 1810t....it is sitting there just waiting to be opened!...
ive been using this HP for this entire trip...the most annoying thing about it is the touchpad...it moves the pointer on its own...and half the time it doesnt recognize any input. I cant even disable the damn thing....again, i cant WAIT to open up my new acer!
yes..the atom is ok for net surfing...but it just doesnt make any sense for me to stick with this and pay MORE for soooo much less.
/rant ....again

 

Just give Battery Bar some time to adjust. The more steady your usage and the longer Battery Bar runs, the more accurate it will get over time. I've turned Aero off. You can use 1810tray to disable Aero automatically when on battery and reactivate when plugged in.

 

i'm strongly considering buying one of these, but am confused about processors. i've read through much of this thread, and didnt find anything that specifically answered my concerns. I will probably buy through J&R since i should be able to get a small discount, they only have the 2300 and 4100 in stock, so my question is in regards to the choice between those. i found this in this thread

so, i dont know those number mean, but is the difference between 840 and 750 huge? i'm convinced the cheaper one will handle my needs but i'm wondering how much better the su4100 will handle some of the extra things i'd like to do. my absolute needs (for school) are really only browsing, normal youtubing, and word processing, and some intro programming courses...

i dont care about HD video or gaming, but (as a hobby) i do photoshop work and digital music production. i know not to expect anything miraculous out of either processor, but if i could get some simple sound design, sequencing, and general sketching done, that'd be great. so does anybody have any ideas how much better the 4100 could handle something like ableton live or reason, or any other daw? how about photoshop? would anybody be able to make a youtube video demonstrating how their model handles photoshop or any music production software?

i'm a broke college student, so the $150 difference would probably mean not being able to get the su4100 before january, which would make next quarter harder for me... but if its a very drastic difference, i might consider waiting. also, i dont mind putting more money into it later, to increase ram and buy a second battery... my concern is strictly how much better the processor is and how soon i can purchase it.

thanks for all your help

 

What i really believe -in case somebody lives in the US- is that the 1810TZ should be out of the equation. What`s the point of giving "only" 50$ less for less RAM and a "slower" CPU?

The difference between the 1410 and the 1810 is OK though.

I mean yeah, Europe get`s only the 1810 TZ`s for 500 euros , so its a must buy situation, but you people over there P) have more options!

 

well, i only counted the 1810t out because it was out of stock where i was planning to purchase. i have yet to see what my discount will be through J&R... theres a chance that it wont apply to these computers, in which case, the 1810T will also be an option and i'll have to compare that processor too

 

If i were you i would first decide what i want giving all the options available (1410, 1810T and TZ) and then just wait for them to become available (talking about the T`s) or just buy them the next day

Don`t rule anything out cause its out of stock, unless you are eager to buy it !

 

I have both the 1410/SU2300 and 1810T/SU7300. I can tell you that for your needs, the 1410/SU2300 is more than sufficient. The photoshop part will depend on how large the files that you are working on. Just remember, these are low power processors, not desktop replacement notebooks.

 

+ 1 on the above comment. Go for the 1410 w/the SU2300 unless you must have the larger battery. If that's the case the extra $150 spent on the TZ might be worth it if you consider the larger harddrive, extra RAM and Bluetooth.

 

thanks for the replies... I'm leaning towards the 1410 so I can have it sooner. k9hydr4, do you have any experience with any daw software or any kind of software synthesis? I think that has different needs from a processor than Photoshop, but I think both are too weak to do advanced work anyway. I'm just concerned that if the difference is so great, that it might make no audio work possible at all on one, but possible on the other.

On another note, my girlfriend just got an atom netbook today, if I tested some software on this, I should be able to expect significanty better performance from the su2300, right? any way to quantify how much better? Thanks again

 

What size canvas and what dpi? Is this for print production work? I used Photoshop 6.0 to work on canvas between 8X10 and 11X17 at 200 dpi for in-house production work, which was embedded in Illustrator. This was on a Pismo Powerbook (400mhz, 384MB RAM). This is why I think if you're not doing billboard sized or ultra-high resolution photographs, it should be ok. I have not used the newer Adobe CS suite, so I can't say if Adobe has added excess bloated code to slow down photoshop.

Invest your money on more RAM and fast hard drive. I have not tried SSD, and you said you were strapped for cash, so, I would keep the upgrades to the absolute minimum.

For perspective:

Atom N270 - 229
SU2300 - 750

 

I'm new to Photoshop and lightroom (which I kind of like more)... I just got a dslr, so it's for digital darkroom kind of work. That number for the atom is a huge difference...
I'm much more familiar with the music software I use.
The su2300 number is about 3 times the atom...
Let's say for example I got two tracks in ableton live to work on my girlfriends netbook, would I be able to translate that to six tracks on the 1410, or do processors scores not work that literally. Also, hers only has one gig of ram, and I would end up with 4... So is this test bogus to get an idea of how it would work?
Sorry for the newbie questions... I appreciate the help

 

Here are the minimum system requirements for ableton live and photoshop and lightroom (I'm assuming you're talking about photoshop lightroom)

http://www.ableton.com/pages/faq/general_questions

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/photoshop/systemreqs/

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshoplightroom/systemreqs/

The netbook would probably be okay for manipulating images destined for website use. RAM would be your saving grace for photoshop.

I don't know how new you are to photoshop or image editing in general. It might be a good idea to test these software on a desktop as well.

Here are some tips I found-

http://forums.techguy.org/digital-photography-imaging/467380-dpi.html

http://www.steves-digicams.com/knowledge-center/coming-to-terms-with-dpi-ppi-and-size.html

This is almost veering off topic. I suggest googling tips and tricks for these programs.

 

Those spec's assume a core solo, running a C2D then should be fine. I would suggest true dual channel memory for both as memory speed/bandwidth will undoutably be key here.........

 

Youtube HD 1080p test on 1410/su2300:
http://netbooked.net/blog/youtube-1080p-video-test-with-intel-celeron-su2300-processor/

 

I tried on my 1810t (SU7300) and its for the most part smooth. There is a very occassional stuttering (2 - 3 times over entire clip duration), but rest of it is very watchable. The processor is however nearly 90 % or slightly below.

@nuuser: I completely second the others' recommendations for the SU2300 for your needs. Definitely the best bang for the buck and a reasonable bang I think. While I cannot directly comment on your specific questions on photoshop, etc. but the $ 200 you save betweeen the SU7300 and SU2300 is quite a bargain, I think, compared to what you lose.

 

Video played just fine for me , no skipping whatsoever

CPU usage around 55%

I really can`t understand how identical machines, like mine and soliton`s for example can preform in a different way
What could be the issue?

 

Mine doesnt work that well (su7300)

Did you see this link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUM1284TqFc&fmt=37?

 

Did you add "&fmt=37" to the video url to make sure it ran in 1080p?

 

what browsers are you guys running, and versions of flash? maybe those could cause different results..
im wondering if the new version of flash 10.1 will be more CPU friendly, along with the gpu acceleration for nvidia cards....i figure they could make it quite a bit less resource hungry than the current version...maybe that is just wishful thinking...
but apparently it IS possible to get good quality streaming HD with microsoft silverlight (netflix)....it plays much much smoother than anything that uses flash..yet it still isnt gpu accelerated (at least in netflix's current player)

....and just for laughs..i tried that clip on this mini 311....its even worse than a slideshow...1 frame every 5 seconds or more. this was after letting it buffer completely. also it managed to lock up the computer requiring a restart.

 

The dog video is quite demanding. I get some skipping , not smooth at all

I thought those machines -at least with the SU7300- should be able to run such videos. Nevermind, 1080p with DXVA runs good enough, and 720p is crystal clear.

I`m running Mozilla with the latest flash 10


EDIT; Guys my HDD led keeps flashing even when im running IDLE.
Am I the only one? What`s up with that?

 

some of you who have both the ACER 1410/1810 and the GATEWAY version as well, can you use the batteries interchangeably? if acer really launches that 12hr batt for these in december, could i pop one into the gateway as well? ....just in case they don't make one for the gateway version.

and does anybody know for sure yet if they're even making one for the 11.6 of the timeline series.....i tried asking acer themselves, but that ended up being useless.

thanks!

btw- noback: thanks for that tip about the “ad blocker” add on in fire fox, wow what a diff! i can browse thru web pages so much faster now on this old fart of a machine i have! thank you!