Acer Aspire 1410 and 1810T Timeline (single core) 11.6" Thread

Yes. Actually I think their netbooks are very good looking, especially their version of the Acer 751h. So I wouldn't mind a Packard Bell version of the 1810T series - as long as it doesn't have that incredibly stupid round touchpad.



[Edit] I just realized that the PB in the link is obviously based on the Acer 3810T. Looks good, but why is it 0.2kg heavier??

 

Oh awesome. I hope I'm in the first batch that ships, but I'm guessing not. At least I'm saving $45.

Mmm, that one is sold here as a Gateway. I'm still not sold on the idea of an AMD netbook. Or Packard Bell, for that matter.

 

The PB is available with both AMD L110 and Intel Z520 here (Sweden). Actually I was extremely close to getting one before I heard about the 1810T. The protruding 6-cell battery put me off though.

 

For those that pre-ordered with J&R.
Have you seen your 10% cash back on your Bing account yet ??(like pending or something).
I mean any sign that you purchased at J&R through Bing.com.

 

No, but J&R didn't bill my credit card yet.

 

J&R actually say during the checkout process that they'll only charge your card when the device ships, which is nice.

 

But the Bing cashback should show up as pending after you make the purchase , no matter when they ship the product.That's the way they do it at the other stores as soon as you buy something.
Anyway,the Bing promotion may be over by the time they ship the laptops.

 

I'll just have to suffer with a dual core SU4100 and the larger capacity battery.

No problem. Glad to have helped you out.

 

does anyone know how the graphics compares to the Nvidia Ion chipset that is going to be in the Lenovo S12 netbook?

Im pretty sure the CPU of the acer blows away the S12, but what about the graphics? and whats the probabilty a dual core version of the acer gets here?

 

The Ion is way better in the graphics department, it is basically an Nvidia 9300/9400 which is much better for games than the GMA 4500.

 

From the Bing.com policy: "The store might not recognize the purchase as complete because the items might be on backorder, payment is processing, or other reasons. Contact the store directly to confirm that the purchase was processed. If the merchant confirms that the purchase was processed, contact us for further help."

So J&R might do it differently from others. For the record, it doesn't show up as Pending. It probably isn't showing up because this is still a preorder and not just waiting for it to ship.

Heh, go for it. I'm just impatient, I don't want to wait. Pull the trigger now, don't wait for later. I mean, wait for the 1810T to come out, then the TZ, then Windows 7, then Arrandale/Westmere, then the next platform overhaul - you just keep waiting, hahaha. I played that out in my head and said screw it, I'm going to buy it now. It's a brand new device, its not in danger of being revamped anytime soon...ish.

 

I had a tough choice between waiting for Acer 1410 or getting a
Dell D420.

I've considered a netbook w/ Atom processor, but it's slow when multitasking. So I was excited about the 1410 with a core solo processor.

Then I found some ultra portables are really cheap now. Seems like the Dell D420 (Core Duo 1.2ghz) is a better option, especially considering the price. People interested in games would prefer the acer, but then again people interested in games shouldn't get a notebook w/ intel graphics....

The dell specs
12.1" Matte screen.
3.2 lbs w/ 6 cell or 3.5 lbs w/ 9 cell (7 hours)
1" thick all around
Magnesium-alloy casing
Core Duo 1.2ghz - 2 cores
2GB max ram.
80GB HARD DRIVE 1.8" 4200rpm
Hard drive is slower, but that mostly effects boot times (sleep mode should take care of).



Opinions?????

 

That's a damn good deal. Also, there's a Sony TX in the B/S/T forums going for $425. But...its used, and it's older. The Acer's going to be thinner, lighter, smaller, more power efficient. It kind of bridges the gap between netbook and ultraportable, in that sense, whereas the D420 is squarely an ultraportable. Go with whatever floats your boat - the Dell is better performing at a far lower price, but the Acer is brand new. I guess, with a computer, I would only do used in two cases: 1) it's a currently unavailable model that I really like (me with the Asus W3J earlier this year), or 2) someone I know well is selling a computer I like for a good price. I mean, its a laptop, I personally would rather pay the extra 25% or whatever than risk the wear on a used model with older hardware. With a laptop, that 25% is like $300 tops, which isn't too much in the grand scheme of things.

That Dell really is a good deal though...in fact, a lot of the stuff that seller is offering is pretty well priced. My iMac has only depreciated $100 from what I bought it for 2.5 years ago, yay!

 

Not sure why people play graphic intensive games on a laptop??? If I want to play Crysis, I'd use my cheappy Dell 530 which was around $350 with a quad core. A laptop to me is something that is portable and light weight, which is why I really like this 1410.

 

Well, I placed an order for the 1410 with JR too.
WIth some of the store(CC, Ebay), you see your Bing cash back as you order so you feel more at ease.
I just need some type of confirmation that we did in fact place a purchase through Bing.com.
Just wondering if anyone has some type of confirmation.

 

Thats one ugly looking laptop.
And is that the battery sticking out in front ?
Sorry, I wouldn't touch that.

 

I called JR and they told me to call Bing.

I also asked them when the release date is and they didn't know. The CSR said they would call the vendor and will let me know in 3 days. they also said they had over 2000 pre orders for the 1410.

 

Its not that ugly.... is it? Yea you can get 4-6 cell or extended 9 cell that sticks out.

 

One thing to keep in mind: You will most likely need a new battery, so that adds to the price. Specs are worse except having a second core. With that small price difference(you would most likely have to buy a costly new battery, bigger HDD, more RAM to be up to date) I would rather take a brand new device with full warranty.

 

I guess performance is my highest priority after portability. Aftermarket batteries go for about $40 on ebay.

Thanks for your inputs

 

This new class of cheap ultra portables is the reason that my next gaming device will be a desktop again. I got rid of a desktop years ago and bought gaming laptops since because I thought it would be a good compromise to cover both worlds in one device.

I bought a cheap netbook just to check what this hype is all about, tweaked it a lot and now I rarely use my full size notebook any more.

A netbook is just slightly too slow and has got slightly too little screen realestate, so a 1810t is the logical consequence to complete the split into two devices again. Two devices that offer more portability and power for the same price as an all-in-one device.

Reagarding gaming, I had loads of fun while playing good old Half-Life, Baldur's Gate and Wizardry on my netbook If you have a weaker device you start looking at that amazingly good old titles again and ask yourself: Why the hell don't they program something with good gameplay these days instead of just emphasizing on crispy graphics?!

 

Thats just thier version of the timeline ...

 

also I dont think there is an HDMI port on the dell. I really am looking forward form moving on up to HDMI on my netbook. I think I am going to wait for the dual core version as well. I like the idea of youtube HD video working.

I noticed someone posting that they would go with the core solo with the chance of overclocking. Are the dual core harder to overclock. Never had one so I wouldn't know.

 

The problem is, it would probably take a few months to find out, so it's the "bird in the hand vs. two in the bush"-thing

 

It gets really hot, and only has a X3100 graphics slow... better option is the HP 2510P similar specs but better built, some of the guys at my last place (Sales people) used both, and the Dells were in the "shop" a lot more than the HP's and looked real ugly after only 3 months

 

Packard Bell is being sold under the Gateway brand name in US.

Materials. It uses some aluminium. While the 3810T is mostly plastic afaik.

I know. It's just an example of SU3500 battery life. And they did better than the Timeline.

It's not a bad deal but the Acer is a lot more stylish. Also, I doubt the real weight of the Dell with 6 cell is 3.2 pounds if you put it on a scale. Another drawback for me would be the 1.8" ATA hard drive. It won't take an Intel Gen 2 or Scorpio Black. Options for 1.8" ATA are a lot more limited.

 

I tried to find information about the SU4100 processor, but even in the Intel site there is nothing about it. How it is possible when there are even some places that are selling this netbook with this processor (or at least they accept pre-orders)?

In my case I prefer a little more power (if the SU4100 can give that) instead of one additional hour of battery life over the SU3500 model. But I would like to quantify how much (aprox.) is the increment of power and the reduction of battery time compared to the SU3500.

I will use to quick retouch (Photoshop and capture NX) and send my photos after a basketball game in the press room.

Does anybody have some information (performance test, etc.) about this processor?

Thanks for your help, specially to Phil for the great job !

 

I'm pretty sure that having a properly tweaked and clean installation, loads of RAM and a fast HDD or SSD makes more of a difference than having one or two cores in most tasks. Both su3100 and su4100 should handle everything okay. At the end of the day both will wait for the HDD to finish reading or writing. Especially when doing photo editing and such.

 

It happens more often that Intel doesn't really announce CPUs.

It's something like this (Passmark CPU rating), I expect:
SU3500 490
SU4100 770
SU9400 920

PS. Good to hear you enjoyed the review.

This is so true. But most people don't know this And most people just let their Windows installation clutter up.

 

Hey, great review! I think this laptop really has done everything right. A couple of questions though:

1. Phil, have you tried the DivX h.264 codec and tested video playback with MPC? How does it compare with cyberlink and dxva enabled?

2. Is J&R the only US store with the laptop available (any ETA on the preorder)?

3. Any ETA on the beefier, 1810TZ version?

Thanks!

 

1. Yes. I tried Divx, Core AVC and Cyberlink and one more.

2. http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&q=as1410&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wf

3. Don't know.

 

The best 264 codec is CoreAVC codec. I had a lenovo s12 (atom 270) and it played 264 videos fine to my external 720p HDTV with CoreAVC.

 

It does work on 1810T too, but it causes image quality loss in fast action scenes.

 

BTW Ebay Bing cashback is now @ 14% so the Dell D420 is $250-$35 = $215 plus shipping. I'm SOLD!

@ paypal checkout use a credit card as funding source for instant cash back

 

Picked this from a SlickDeals@net posting..... Messages #156 & #157

"Quote from BigCTM :
By the way, Bing just put 54.00 in my account as pending for the 1410 purchase. I had to open a claim with them though - it was not automatic."
..... Makes it 12% cash back!

So go to your Bing Account.
Click on "Contact Us"
Click on "After 2 days my transaction is not showing in my account"

 

Thanks for your answers! I agree with you that a clean and optimized windows can help a lot! And have a lot of RAM running in dual channel can help too (probably I will use 2x2gb). I’ve seen in your test that the HD have decent transfer rates.
I will run mainly Windows 7 (at 64bits if I can), and probably Leopard in the future.
Despite that considering that I probably have enough power with SU3500, the scores of the SU3500 (490) and SU4100 (770) are quite different and could help me with programs with intensive calculations (like Capture NX).
Based on the infos of this post I don’t expect an important decrease in the battery life (perhaps 7 hours against 8 hours of the SU3500?), but a slight increase in the temperature and perhaps with the fan noise too.
I’ve been informed that next week it will be available in some shops in Spain, so I will check the price and take the final decision.

 

Some core duo's ULV processors use between 8-10W. Also, I don't know what GPU the Dell uses but the GMA 950 uses 7W and the PM965 x3100 uses 8w compared to the 4500HD's 12W.
The TX use a 5W CS processor.
Also, a dual core ULV processor is more suited to Vista. Core solo's can be easily maxed out in Vista.

Battery capacity will prove to be the most important thing and of course a good power management program.

The older ultraportables are showing their age though but they do win out normally on build quality. If you only intend to use them as a second laptop they're still ok for a lot of people.

I own a Sony TX5 that has a core solo 1.33 processor and i'm very happy with it. I like the fact that my TX has a built in drive and the build quality is very impressive.

The Acer is a very good bugdet ultraportable. I am going to buy it for someone else. I tried to order it yesterday but JR.com will not accept my international credit card. May be i will wait and order from Amazon when/if they start stocking them.

 

It's not very practical to use anything besides the x4500MHD with the low power core solos and duos because they come bundled together for cheap, which is how this system arrives at $450.

 

I know this is what many people say, but it's totally not my experience with the SU3500. Even when I was unzipping 5GB folders, I could browse the internet at the same time.

I think a 4200rpm 1.8" HDD is way more of a bottleneck than a SU3500 Core Solo.

 

I mean the percentage of the CPU it uses, maxing them out at full capacity will likely to happen more easily so in Vista with a CS processor.
It is easy enough to get a cheap SSD and upgrade your HD. I know i did this with my TX but then that is more added costs on top.

 

Confused ...

Looking at the various Acer Sites

USA
Germany
Middle East

I cant find a mention of the "DUAL" core chip (SU1400) any where only the Celeron and the SU2300. (For the 1410)

Did I miss something ?

even the online shops like www.notebook.de only shows these 2 CPU's as options..

 

At the moment the dual core version is just a rumor. Albeit it a very logical one.

 

Actually I don't think it has anything to do with single versus dual core, but it has everything to do with performance. Now every dual core is faster than a SU3500, so in reality it works out the same.

What cheap 1.8" ATA SSD of normal capacity exist? I think most people won't be satisfied with 32GB-64GB for Vista or Windows 7.

In my opinion it's a large advantage to buy a laptop with 2.5" SATA support.

It's more than a rumor. Several websites have already listed it, with prices. At a € 60 extra, I wouldn't want to miss it.
http://www.laptopsdirect.ie/Acer_Timeline_1810TZ_Laptop_LX.PJ502.051/version.asp?PID=1374

 

as i said earlier, SU4100 is under press embargo from intel until september 6 when will be announced officially

 

Mate that's a 1810TZ.... every one here is flipping out about the 1410... which is what I mentioned in my original post... So that's why I asked as I could not find ANY evidence for the 1410 to have the DUAL core SU1400..

Remember I started this whole thread based on Evidence, I found on an Acer Page...

so according to Acer web Support

Platform
• Intel® Core™2 Solo processor*
• Intel® Celeron® mobile processor*
• Mobile Intel® GS45 Express Chipset
• Intel® Wireless WiFi Link 5100*

Are the viable options for the 1810/1410T Series... no SU1400 and no TZ can some one link to an official (Western Site) spec. ?

Acer continues to make Market specific releases (Chine being = ROW), which never make it to the rest of the world (ROW), Sony,MSI, Asus & Lenovo has been doing this for years as well..

 

I personally don't think they are talking about 1410 only. The only difference between 1410 and 1810 is the battery, so it doesn't matter.

 

Evidence mate, or are you now Acers Marketing Manager

My quote is from their (Acers) own user Manual.. ooppss

http://global-download.acer.com/GDFiles%5CDocument/QuickStartGuide/QuickStartGuide_Acer_1.0_A_A.zip?acerid=633855656663086757&Step1=Notebook&Step2=Aspire&Step3=Aspire%201810T&OS=V10&LC=en&SC=EMEA_1


they also quote 2 screens

Display • 16:9 aspect ratio
• 11.6" SD 1024 x 600*
• 11.6" HD 1366 x 768*

mmmmmmhhhh

 

As mentioned before, SU4100 is under press embargo. So it makes sense you won't find it on Acer's site.

 

I would like for tests/ users to confirm that.


A 64GB SSD is ok for some people and especially so if you only plan to use your laptop as a 2nd laptop. I installed one in my nieces P7230 that uses Vista. I picked up a very good deal on Samsung 64GB SSD drive on ebay for £140. The other drive can also be sold to make some money back.
I actually use a 32GB SSD in my TX and I have installed Vista and XP at various points. Capacity doesn't bother me so much because it is not my main laptop.
It is true though, using a 2.5" is an advantage.

 

The SU4100 has more raw performance than the SU3500, that's why it's better suited for multi tasking and Vista.

Ps. I'd rather have a Gen 2 Intel SSD 80GB for € 180.