Acer Aspire 1410 and 1810T Timeline (single core) 11.6" Thread

I noticed they wrote that, but I don't think it's right. The only active flash during youtube playback is the movie itself.

I'm pretty sure they used lighter movies, as all kinds of movies are labeled HD on Youtube. I always use Lady GaGa - Poker Face [ 720p HD ] because I know it's heavy. And even that one says: This isn't a true High Definition Video.

 

@Phil
I suppose you are right. I've no experience in youtube stuff, I only watch low quality if at all.

Btw, they want comments what to test, so if anyone is interested in something, he/she could just ask them to test it.

 

That's a weird Bing experience. I bought a 3810 and had Bing CB instantly appear in my account within minutes of checking out, I was not charged for the laptop until about a week later when it shipped.

Will they give you the Bing rate at the time they charge you, or at the time of order?

 

I have been out a little bit (Database broken also ...)

According with some checks I did last days, expect about a 50€ or less price difference between 1810T and 1810TZ in EU ...

The same spanish retailer has actually the 1810TZ quoted at less than 500€ (No stock yet) and the Acer Aspire Timeline 3810T-354G32MN mentioned on the tests before at 560€ (SU3500).

Question i don´t know yet is the keyboard layout ... I suspect a direct import ... so english keyboard, not spanish

Cheers

 

As i already posted triple times, it´s actually about less then 10 Euro here, in Slovakia, European Union

 

Thats weird, since I emailed Customer Support and they credited it as pending for me.

 

Well I have seen different web places in the EU (not only Slovakia or Spain) and the oscillation was between 10€ and 50€ ... that´s I said <50€ in average

Also I have seen a 100€ price difference for the same 1810T model between Redcoon.de and Redcoon.at !!

Cheers

 

Can anyone provide exact memory specs on this machine. I have ordered the 1410 from Amazon and am planning on bumping it to 4GB.
I know it's a DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) SO-DIMM. Should I play it safe and just order a 4GB matched (2x2) kit , or save a few $$ and just pick up a 2 GB stick?

It looks like it ships with a single 2GB installed and one slot open.
I'm mainly concerned with making sure the Cas Latency etc. is the same.
What's in this thing?

Info appreciated!

 

In the first post of this thread, can we update the information, such as all the model/SKU information, model numbers, specs for each model, pricing, availability, etc?

Because I am confused on all the models to come out so it would be nice to have a summary in the beginning of this thread, a FAQ or something of the sort.

 

@Rahul
I think we should only list stuff when it's in stock and available to consumers. I doubt that Nobackup will update the first post with unofficial models anyway(rightly so).

 

If someone wants to make it, post it here and I'll put it in the start post.

 

The blue version of the 1410 was in stock at Amazon.com for $449 about 10 minutes ago.

 

The blue version has been in stock since friday.

 

Another 1810t review:
http://www.aspireoneuser.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=17054&p=100778#p100778

It seems that having a bad paint job is a common problem

 

Is it actually in stock or does it just say that? With all the people on pre-order lists @ J&R, seems unlikely...

 

Firstclassminis.de posted a Gaga-Bench(lol) update
http://www.firstclassminis.de/2009/08/hd-video-youtube-und-wmv-auf-acer-aspire-timeline-1810-1410/

 

I'm not sure but audio seems out of sync and some dropped frames. Seems better than what I remember though.

Too bad they're not posting CPU utilization.

 

They are on a roll! 1810t vs Lenovo s10e comparison:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgOUc2l2fyU

 

Cool, I assume that means we'll see a Packard Bell branded model in Europe soon. Anyone care to guess what it will be called?

 

They answered my question "this video don´t seem to run properly on the 1810T. All other flash-HD material we tested looked better. Anyway... the CPU-Load was always around 100%. "

Too bad I did not test anymore true HD videos. I can't believe Lady Gaga is the heaviest of all. I'll do some more testing.

In the meantime: can someone tell me if this video causes more or less CPU utilization than Hulu HD?

 

@Phil
Those idiots tell me, that hulu can only be streamed in the USA. The vid you linked runs flawlessly at 80%-100% load on my overclocked Atom(2GHz)

 

Thanks. I know Hulu can not be played here, that why I asked

I just checked Lady Gaga on P8600 2.4GHz. 88% CPU load!!!

 

I'm greatly interested in this machine! I've read everything on it and would like to confirm a few things from actual users (instead of spec sheets)...

Has anyone loaded Windows 7 on the 1410/1810t?

Does the "dxdiag" utility show WDDM 1.1 capability? (WDDM 1.1 improves GDI performance and lowers memory overhead)

Can you share the output of GPU-Z (either an image or text) showing the GPU clock, manufacturing pitch, etc.?

How about CPU-Z output?

What drivers are built into Windows 7... which must be downloaded?

Is battery life noticeably different between Vista/Windows 7?

I couldn't find these tidbits anywhere though. It seems the best "benchmark" is to show the 1410 playing Youtube videos (which pointless since an upcoming version of Flash will fix performance regressions in newer Intel chips). If a Flash video stutters... use FlashGot to download it locally and play it with VLC. VLC's playback typically uses ~50% of Adobe's on my netbook with an Atom N270.

Thanks!

 

I don't think the issue is youtube videos, but the hd videos...

 

From JR

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are currently not in stock. We have these on order with the manufacturer,
and hope to have them available shortly. We sincerely apologize for any
inconvenience this may cause you. Please be assured that we are doing our
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NOOOOOO

 

Like I said earlier, I'm going to call tomorrow, and if I don't get a decent answer, I am going to raise hell.

 

oh! tell me how it goes

 

Full review of the 1810t:
http://www.firstclassminis.de/2009/08/review-und-test-acer-aspire-timeline-1810t/

It's in German so Goggle translator is your friend

Their conclusion: Buy!

Edit:
Btw, they measured not more than 43 degrees Celsius CPU temp after several hours compiling stuff at 100% CPU load! There seems to be some headroom in the cooling system, nice for overclocking attempts.

Edit:
CrystalMark 2004r3
Mark:.34727
ALU:..7027
FPU:..6584
MEM:.7796
HDD:..8046
GDI:...3029
D2D:..1056
OGL:..1189

3D Mark CPU score: 658

 

I'm intrigued by the fact that the SU3500 plays most Youtube HD videos, except Lady Gaga It means the SU3500 may be a better option than I thought.

My review includes Passmark Performance Test, Quake 3, Windows Experience Index, Wprime, SuperPi and H264 playback.

As far as I know the Flash update will support Nvidia chips in the future. Nothing has been said about Intel chips afaik.

 

A few tidbits from Intel’s GMA 4500MHD spec and PR sheets:

- Blu-ray support @ 40 Mb/s
- Full Hardware HD Decode of WMV9 (VC-1), H.264 (AVC), MPEG-2
- Requires software player with Intel Clear Video Technology support
- 533 MHz clock required for Blu-ray support (why the GPU-Z info is useful)

I cannot find CPU requirements for HD playback anywhere. Intel undoubtedly licensed system-on-a-chip codecs from Broadcom or LSI logic… in which case the CPU should be almost idle for HD playback.

I ordered a 1410 and it will be here Wednesday… I’ll wipe Vista straight out of the box (and burn the COA sticker) then load Windows 7 from MSDN. I'll answer my questions soon enough.

 

And what's with Acer recycling the 1410 model number? I found the "Acer 1410 service manual" on their website and it's for some 5 year old laptop. Did they run out of 4-digit model numbers or what?

The model number doesn’t even contain Asian “lucky” numbers and includes the very unlucky “4”. Ohhh now I get it! They are selling that model to US customers... I see what they’ve done there.

 

@lepton
Afaik, GPU-Z has problems detecting the true GPU clock of Intel IGPs. I read the author asking for help in an Intel forum, but he didn't get a respose.

I'm eager to check if some combination of player and codec activates 533MHz HD-Turbo mode. I don't know the register settings as they are not documented in the chipset's datasheet. I will check with Wpcredit if I can find something. It would be nice if it was possible to trigger 533MHz mode in games.

 

I hope are aware this is not true. Just check the CPU utilization at the end of this clip:


width='425' height='344'><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/gOacZeiWu8k&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/gOacZeiWu8k&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width='425' height='344'></embed></object>

CPU utilization comes into the 50% range with DXVA enabled, but bad image quality is the result.

 

??????????? The 1410 is available in Asia too.

 

And in Europe too.

 

It seems that full HD hardware decoding requires DXVA-HD which is only on Windows 7. Without this certain processing steps are still done on the CPU in combination with regular DXVA. With DXVA-HD the video player can stream raw data onto the chip and it does calculations that a general purpose CPU cannot handle.

I have compiled and stepped through the DXVA-HD sample from the Windows SDK 7.0. Unfortunately my ATI 4870 (with latest drivers) doesn’t support DXVA-HD…. so I can’t play around with the API. But I’ll try this again when the 1410 comes.

Also the CPU utilization should be measured using the Resource Monitor… which shows frequency scaling and usage (since the CPU slows down to conserve power). Of course if it is pegged at 100% then everything is probably at peak usage.

 

I put the 1810T in High Performance profile. As far as I know the CPU is clocked at 1.4Ghz and doesn't slow down in that profile.

 

Gentlemen:

The 1810TZ is dissapiaring from the sites where they were offer !!
Product has been removed or not available !! Spain in UK

An example:

http://www.acerdirect.co.uk/Acer_Timeline_1810TZ_Laptop_LX.PJ502.051/version.asp

 

Still here though:
http://www.laptopsdirect.ie/Acer_Timeline_1810TZ_Laptop_LX.PJ502.051/version.asp?PID=1374
http://geizhals.eu/eu/?such=1810T
http://www.pcandmore.at/Default.aspx?tabID=55&mdsUCID=4&crs=1&artikelID=AA33141
http://www.acerdirect.co.uk/Acer_Timeline_1810TZ_Laptop_LX.PJ502.051/version.asp

How do you mean? It's still there...

 

You can run the DXVA Checker while playing h.264 HD content... then look at the Trace Log tab (after clicking Start/Update first of course).

This will show what applications are using which DXVA or DXVA-HD capabilities. If software doesn't use it then the Intel hardware won't be fully used. So that might be a nice way to evaluate which media player is best for the 1410 hardware.

 

I don't know if you followed it but in this thread you can see how many players with different codecs I've tried.

Every codec that used DXVA had the same problems in image quality.

Unfortunately I don't have the 1810T anymore so I can not do more testing at the moment.

 

Not anymnore !!

http://www.laptopsdirect.ie/Acer_Timeline_1810TZ_Laptop_LX.PJ502.051/version.asp?PID=1374

We regret that this product is sold out. Please call our laptop sales team on 0844 412 4525 for an equivalent model.

Same like in other places I have checked ... I think this is going in chain ... IFAIK Mr. NoBackup was more real than us .... May be the problem with the September 6th embargo o something else ... the model is delayed o may be not released ....

Now in the Acer Chinesse Web site I can see the 1410 and 1810, but I can not see anymnore the indication of any SU4100 in the series ...

 

Well they're still there. It just says 'sold out' but that can change any day like it did now. I think they won't be released before October. That's all.

Just my educated guess.

 

It's definitely gone from the Chinese 1810t specs.
Post you favourite conspiration theory here:

[ ]

 

Ok I'll speculate

My favourites:
1. Intel woke up. The embargo on SU2300 and SU4100 is real. They urged all sites to remove the info.
2. Acer woke up and realized the information on Dual Core models is hurting the current sales of Single Core models.

 

My guess:
The person who posted it on the Chinese site will move to a smaller office in the basement lol

 

Apparently Dan has some tests that I wanted to do...

Although technically.... **scratches head** the CPU shouldn't be used even 1% if the 4500MHD does all the decoding. Maybe the CPU is doing a lot of stream parsing and bit swizzling in preparation for the GPU. But theoretically there is nothing dedicated hardware cannot do much more efficiently. Possibly newer software will fully utilize the hardware.

I can't wait for the day when these dozens of dumb CPU-based codecs are all gone. Maybe OpenCL/DirectX compute/DXVAHD or some other hardware-acceleration approach will take over in the coming years.

 

Well actually .....

 

@Nobackup
Admit it! You work for Acer an did some phone calls

 

LMAO ....