Acer Aspire 1410 and 1810T Timeline (single core) 11.6" Thread

This is somewhat misleading... obvious Intel wants to keep the markets separate. But you are saying Intel doesn't want the "next" generation to compete with the "current" generation. Obviously when moving to new process nodes (65/45/32 nanometers) the next generation low-end is going to outperform the current generation mid-range.

Don't hang onto the past when the future is right around the corner.

 

That's the only thing that interests me about that press release.

GMA500 can already accelerate H264, I don't need Pinetrail for that.

Several sites have already stated that the CPU will be only slightly faster than N280.

 

@lepton
Nokia's Booklet doesn't have Pineview and Pine Trail's performance won't be powerful enough to compete with CULV/GS45. Its purpose is to aquire ARM marketshare

 

Are you using an external drive or the same program Lepton used to make a disc image?

 

Im using an external drive with the Acer's recovery program... What did Lepton use?

 

Oops you are right... dunno how I got it in my head Nokia was talking about Pineview.

We are splitting hairs here really. I put both my Atom N270 and SU3500 machines in the "terrible" performance category. It is just what level of terrible you can tolerate. I'm more interested in portability, HD playback for long plane rides, long battery life, and not burning my legs... if I get those on a 2-chip brand new platform... great! But I'm not gonna act like a 2-year old 65 nanometer GS45 is "good enough"

 

But it is good enough In my opinion at least. With SU3100 it'll be everything I need.

 

When I first booted the machine I loaded Virtual CD and made 3 ISO images:

Recovery disc 1:
Is a bootable disc
Can restore the "Acer recovery partition" on a bare disk
Contains all the necessary stuff to get you back to factory default
Disc is 4.1 gigs

Recovery disc 2:
Second half of the recovery set
Disc is 2.6 gigs

Application disc:
I assume this gets you all the lovely bloatware and demos back
Disc is 688 megs

Hope that helps!

Edit:

Worth noting that the program doesn't directly make an ISO... you have to convert it from their proprietary format.

 

It's Intel's common practice to run manufacturing of the chipset on a legacy process to save some money Pine Trail is straight embedded technology aimed at much smaller devices. Pine Trail netbooks will just be a side market. The goal is to move into smartphones

 

Auto-run and boot are different things. Sometimes a disc would autorun but not boot, sometimes the other way around. The only way to know is to test it out.

 

Yes! I've been through Intel's fab in Oregon where they make chipsets... it is all the old machines getting a 2nd chance.

But tell me where the "chipset" went off to in this picture?

 

CULV will wipe the floor with Pineview

Pine Trail will be more power efficient, that's true but power consumption of LCD, HDD and other stuff is using the most energy anyway, so 8h vs. 12h with much less performance isn't that interesting for a notebook user IMO.
For MIDs, UMPCs and smartphones Pine Trail is much more interesting, though.

 

Real-world probably around 5.5hours usage. I would think the 1810T and 1410 batteries are the same. Once I've completely decided to keep my 1410 I'll order a 5600mah 1810T battery. I've been spoiled by my 1000HE battery life.

 

The whole Atom Netbook platform was kind of an accident. It was created to prevent VIA to aquire marketshare in a low power segment. The original idea has always been to move into smartphones and Pine Trail is just the next step in that direction. You can't compare Pine Trail's two chip solution to current or upcoming Notebook solutions.

 

IMHO putting the GPU and CPU on the same die is long overdue... much like what happened to the FPU with the 486. It's that whole speed of light thing! Maybe in 10 years we'll look back at the plethora of chips and laugh.

I wouldn't dismiss the single die solution outright just yet...

 

Yeah I know. The recovery disks I burned, loaded in windows explorer and just showed the files on the dvd. But it didn't autorun like most recovery disks usually do. I was looking for an icon to launch the recovery process but nothing seemed to work. Now im trying lepton's method with the Virtual CD, I originally wanted do it that way also with poweriso and magiciso, but the Acer eRecovery Management program didn't detect the virtual drives I had with poweriso or magiciso.

 

For those who are interested. I am doing Truecrypt for the system drive, and battery dropped from 72% to 61% after half an hour. So I am estimating 4.5 hours for CPU + HDD intensive tasks.

Edit: Encryption of 140GB full HDD (220GB total) takes 4 hours, and completely responsive for my other tasks. Very impressed.
Edit2: btw, even though I just added this post 3 hours ago, if you google truecrypt su3500, this post shows up first. I can't believe google is so fast.

 

It's the future just look at Intel's upcoming desktop/notebook CPUs, that's true.
But Pine Trail is just not there yet regarding performance.

 

Lepton, have u tried the images you've made with Virtual CD? I just created an .iso with Virtual CD of the Recovery disk, I mounted them and got the same exact thing from the dvds I burned earlier with my external. It looks like this. This is my first Acer so i'm not familiar but shouldn't a recovery program start when you load the recovery disks?

edit: Ughh nevermind...turns out it doesnt have an autorun... I have to change boot order to read the dvd drive first and reboot to start the recovery... thanks anyways for all the help.

 

What was the process to convert from the proprietary format to an ISO? I should be getting my 1410 on Monday - trying to decide if I need to borrow a DVD burner from a friend or if I can use VirtualCD and copy the images it makes to my desktop to burn DVDs, then boot from my DVD-ROM external drive.

Thanks!

 

Actually I think you can create a direct iso using Virtual CD without converting it from Virtual CD's proprietary format. When you insert a blank virtual media into your virtual drive there is an option to select what type of media you want. The default is set to DVD-R but there is a drop down there where u can select DVD-R, DVD+R, CDRs ISOs and etc.

 

@lepton:

Aren't you half way to where you want to be ?

You accomplished to let the fan stop for a while with the standart acer-settings, now if you could run the fan control posted earlier in this thread (smartfan) you should have a silent laptop when running less demanding tasks - or am i wrong ?

Tobi

 

It's true those two don't produce decent netbooks. You can always find exceptions to general 'rules'. But the rest of the industry has realized consumers want more and are giving it to them.

Sure, *heavy* stuff.

I don't consider casually watching a movie to be 'heavy'. Or playing a couple games of chess. Or...

Sure, for video editing, I'm going to use my quad core desktop. For other serious stuff, I'd probably use my dual core notebook.

But if I'm going to carry around a netbook / laptop, then I want it to be able to do a reasonable percentage of what I normally do. Otherwise there's no point in carrying it around with me.

As I originally said, I get tolerable results with the 751. Not great, but tolerable. If the 1410 can't deliver at least that much, then it'd be a waste of money for me to buy one.

Sure, the extra performance would be nice to have, but if it eats up battery life at a 5 times faster rate (or whatever...), then it wouldn't be a good deal for me. If it even cuts battery life to half (from 6 to 3 hours), then I might as well keep my 15" dual core laptop.

That's why I've been asking about real battery life as opposed to the imaginary stuff that gets advertised.

 

This guy speaks the truth. Where is Cusem? We need the hex values for SmartFan...

 

@Mikroft - Thanks for getting back to me on that. That's very helpful.

 

I have been very happy with my 1410 so far. Very responsive. I can encrypt HDD and work at the same time without any slowdown.

Sounds like Acer 751 can be just as fast under normal conditions. I was scared off buying 751 because most reviews seem to think it's sometimes unbearably slow. I am happy with 1410 because it has 2GB RAM, much better UI design and can upgrade to Win7.

 

Anybody do a Windows XP clean install yet?

 

I've worked with the visually impaired for many years and agree 100%. Changing the resolution not only reduces clarity. But negates an essential feature of the 1410, which is lots of screen real estate within a small form-factor.

I'd recommend our far-sighted member to consider the 13" Acer 3810 for just a few dollars more. Get both larger fonts & more screen real estate.

 

Thanks. I'll try that.

 

Why not when Arrandale is doing the same thing?

BTW, I went to Best Buy today and saw the Gateway 11.6" with AMD next to a Dell Mini and the Gateway is barely larger. That right there told me my 3810 is being sold as soon as I can get an 1810 with Arrandale.

 

the 1410 is already more than my budget as I was orginally thinking of getting the assu 1005HA, asus 100HE or toshiba 205 whihc were 379-399 but as the acer came with 2 gig of ram and larger hard drive this seemed worth the extra cost.

how does the acer 1410 at $449 compare to the gateway 3103U at $379? I know the acer does a free upgrade to windows 7 and the gateway is vista basic so no upgrade.they use a different processor and GPU so I don't know which one is faster.

I do know it is best not to lower resolution. on my 22 inch desktop monitor to keep it at default, i have large fonts and dpi at 120.

i will go to best buy tomorrow to look at the gateway to see the resolution and just how small it is.

 

The 1410 has longer battery life, better graphics, 64-bit OS (32-bit on the Gateway), 2 slots for ram (Gateway only has 1) and a better processor. The resolution on the screen is great. Compared to an 11.1 inch screen like the Vaio TT with 1366x768 which I think is a little to small, it looks great on an 11.6".

 

My 1410 shows it's a 32 bit operating system in Control Panel/System ...?!

 

thats cuz theres only 2 GB of mem in there by defult, if u put 4gb in u will need to put 64bit in so use the full 4 gb or windows will only use 3gb

 

oh,OK.Thanks!

 

You need to install a 64bit os. It only comes with 32bit.

 

For those of you installing W7, I was able to get perfect 720p and 1080p playback on the 1410 following these instructions from a thread over at hardforums: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1443403

 

*For DirectShow CUDA hardware acceleration, you must be running the 32-bit version of Windows 7."

only for 32 bit ?? i plan to pop 4gb and use 64

 

You're reading the wrong section, that's for PCs with nvidia graphics. You can't use CUDA on the 1410 anyway so it's not an issue. Follow the non-nvidia method and you're set for both 32-bit and 64-bit. I did it with a 64-bit install and 4GB of RAM.

 

In addition, the 1410 also has HDMI out whereas this Gateway model with the Athlon processor does not.

 

This is a nice trend that more and more laptops are coming out with HDMI.

 

You are right. 1410 comes with 32 bit OS. Just to clarify, you don't need 64-bit Vista to have 4GB of RAM. The only limitation of 32-bit OS is that it allows you to address 2GB of RAM in each process, but you can have more than one process, so it's not a big deal.

MSDN clearly indicate that 32-bit Vistas can accept up to 4GB of RAM. I would say most people have never been able to take advantage of 64-bit Vista unless they decide to run SQL Server, Oracle etc. on their machine.

 

My bad, thought it came with 64-bit. Wonder if the Timeline 1810 will?

 

I am betting probably not. Correct me if I'm wrong, I think 64-bit operating systems are bundled with more expensive computers, those over the $1000 cost range. Maybe there are cheaper computers with 64-bit OS's installed, I don't know.

Also correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think a 64-bit OS will make a significant difference in these "netbooks", I think it would for computers with more powerful processors and more ram (eg. 6gb or more). A 32-bit OS I believe can only detect up to 3 or 3.2gb of ram. But I don't think you would be running programs on these little computers which would really need 4gb or more of ram and 64-bit OS and applications.

 

Anyone done a REAL WORLD battery life test?

 

I haven't fully drained the battery, but after one hour of surfing it still indicated more than 7 hours left (5600 mAh). That will mean more than 6 hours with 4400 mAh.

Normally manufacturers aren't accurate with their battery life predictions, Acer seems to be an exception with all their Timeline products.

Not by a long shot. Something as simple as opening a new tab in Firefox shows a small lag on the 751. If one of the tabs has flash it can bring the Z520 to it's knees.

Still the 751 can be sufficient for a netbook by using Flashblock.

Netbooks? We're talking 11.6" CULVs here. Dell and MSI are the only ones, besides Acer, who have products out. That's why he mentions them.

 

lol, Phil, wrong thread. Though I did essentially say the same thing to him in the other thread.

 

Right, I'll move it. Thanks.

 

Hey Phil, have you tried 720p playback using VLC? Does it make any difference using VLC as opposed to MPC?

 

I don't remember exactly. But it is two steps: create a "virtual blank" which is saved to a set of files on your hard disk. Then go "convert to ISO"... it is in there somewhere. Lots of buttons in that app!