Acer Aspire 1410 and 1810T Timeline (single core) 11.6" Thread

Too expensive, I suppose. Just get the DELL bluetooth module off eBay or a micro USB dongle. Also I don't know if that Signal Up stuff works with different Wifi cards.

Edit:
Sorry for posting twice, I forgot to edit the other post

 

Probably too expensive, yes, but if not, and if it works, would be an easy upgrade to get bluetooth internally without voiding the warranty by disassembly. I have a mini Bluetooth USB dongle, got it really cheap, but I don't use it because it doesn't fit in my case with it in and I get tired of plugging/unplugging it all the time. So I've just been using my mini USB mouse instead of Bluetooth.

If it goes for $20-30, I could see them selling well. $50+, forget it.

 

It's because of the CPU, isn't it? I found a review on the 3810TZ's cousin, the Travelmate 8371 and it comes with DDR3 memory standard but what appears to be a Core 2 Duo ULV (SU9400) proc instead of the Pentium-D (SU4100) in the 1810TZ. If that's the case, this would explain the restrict on the speed of the memory allowed despite what the chipset is capable of.

 

Anyone else noticed their Battery Bar battery wear indicator jump a lot recently? I've only had this for two weeks, did a full discharge only once to test maximum capacity, the rest of the time I charged when it got low, and now it's showing 3.4% battery wear. Is it better to let it only run down to 10-20% full before recharging? A couple other sites indicated that charging while it's completely powered off is also bad for the wear level.

Any thoughts or additional resources? Thanks.

EDIT: I did find this: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=91846 I'll probably follow those tips unless anyone has other suggestions/corrections. Thanks.

 

The larger models(13.3"+) have DDR3. It has nothing todo with CPU. The 1810tz has DDR2. Just check that Chinese review.

@leedr
I usually don't let it get lower than 10% before recharging. Charging while powered off is no problem. I've noticed that 1810t charges relatively slowly, thus the batteries don't get hot. That's basically a good thing. Don't worry too much about wear level. A recalibration might give some capacity back in a few months.

 

Thanks for setting the record straight for me. I didn't read the Chinese review since I couldn't translate it. I'll try Yahoo Babelfish next.

 

I have a question concerning the battery-charging on the 1810T.

When i will use the netbook every 1-2 days, is it better, to recharge the battery up to 100% with AC connected and let the battrery in the notebook?
Or should i disconnect the battery after 100%-charging everytime (every 1-2 days) ?

The reason for this question is:
I read, that the most charge-units disable battery-charging when it reaches 100% and enable charging when the battery is fallen to 95%.

But i cannot imagine, that the battery will fall to 95% in 1-2 days ? !

So it would be no difference if the battery is plugged in or not while AC is connected (IN MY CASE) ? ! ?

So my final question is, if the 1810T is intelligent enough to stop charging at 100% completely and will start charging by 95% !

What do you think?

 

If it isn't in standby, it won't discharge.

I'd say so.

Sure.

 

You're best off if you charge early and charge often.

 

I just got my 1810TZ today, haven't unpacked it yet but I should be able to make a review of it before next week if all goes well.
Now it's time to unbox it!

 

@der_mali and @Stereodude, thanks for the input. On the one hand, I'm not going to obsess over it, because I have more important stuff to focus on, so I'll just use it normally. At the same time, I didn't want to reduce capacity by making avoidable mistakes.

 

Woohooo congratulations! :clap:
Hope you like it!

 

to the netbook gurus here:

is this worth buying over the new ion netbooks coming out?

how does this netbook compare?

thanks

 

The SU3500 CPU in my Acer 1410 is 2-3x better performance (tested MP3 encode, as well as benchmarks) vs. the Atom N280 in my previous Asus 1000HE. Even with Ion you still have a very weak CPU. If battery life is your priority, Atom may be better, since on the 1410 I can get 4-5 hours vs. the 6-7 of my netbook, or the 8+ hours of newer netbooks.

I'll let others comment on relative graphics performance vs. ion, but I've been able to play UT2004 and some of the older half-life games without issues.

 

These CULV netbooks have a much faster processor yet the ION netbooks have a much faster GPU. Both will play flash video at least much better than the current Atom notebooks with the Intel 945 chipset and GMA 950 graphics.

I think its a toss-up, depending on what you would do with the notebook. For uses that need the CPU more, get this Acer, for uses that need the GPU more, get an ION netbook.

ION is restricted to Atom, so we won't be seeing CULV and ION together.

 

How do people do this? I would have ripped open that box within seconds of getting it. I HAVE NO PATIENCE.

That's why I broke down and bought a 1410 instead of waiting for the 1810Tz. Can't wait another month+week.

 

I thought I should do a quick unboxing video of it and thus I waited, also it was a test of my mental strength to resist the urge of opening it instantly

 

I've thought about this too in the last days. Was it the right decision to go for 1810t with single core? Being honest to myself I say yes. I've done some power management tweaking in the last days and now this little beast is the coolest, quietest and longest battery life device I've ever owned. It will do the job with ease for me. Dual core is a bonus but I wouldn't be willing to sacrifice even half an hour of battery life nor do I want to hear the fan. Doing normal stuff my 1810t runs passiv without fan now, I don't even use SmartFan any more.

Nordic mentality, very nice

 

I hear you and am very happy with my 1410. However, if I can get a faster dual core with an 8 hour battery then I will upgrade in a couple of months. I am keeping my 1410 as close to virgin as I can including NOT touching the original hard drive (250 GB vs the fresh Win7 install on my 320 GB 7200 rpm drive) and putting the original memory (2 GB slow memory vs my 2 x 2GB 800 Mhz RAM) somewhere safe.

Don't get me wrong I LOVE my 1410 but I would prefer more speed even if I give up a tad bit of battery. Assuming that the 1810tz in the states has the 5600 mAh battery and the dual-core CPU I will upgrade (guessing late Oct/early Nov) and sell my pristine 1410 on eBay for a slight loss. Then I will be happy with this netbook/notebook for (hopefully) a couple of years.

 

Hehe, I got interrupted twice though and I'm setting up backup now so it'll take a while longer then expected hopefully it wont be too crappy but hey, it's the thought that counts... right?

As I said before I'll make a full review before the end of this week with benchmarks etc but if there is anything in particular you'd like me to test, just post it here or send me a PM. Will only have Vista (x86) to work with atleast 'till saturday though so any W7 benchies will have to wait.

 

Never? Is that already carved in stone?

Haha I am struggling every day - but i will wait for the tz! Yes, I can!

I am sure you thought about that yourself, but i ask anyways: Please do a Doom III Timedemo test - that would make some nice comparables with the Samsung N510 and it's ION wizardry! (most likely outcome will be that there's not much difference between single or dual-core I guess, due to the GPU)

 

Well we could see culv + Nvidia 9400, but never ION + culv.

 

I'll go for 11.6" C2D plus dedicated GPU end of next year

 

OpenGL on 4500MHD is a bit disappointing, Direct3D is ok though. Source games are very good to play. I doubt that the timedemo results will differ that much from Phil's. 2-3 fps at most I guess.

 

@ der_mali

can you say something about the build-in microphone?
Is it usable for recording room-conversations?
I am studying and i want to record the professor ...

That the quality can not reach audio recorders is clear, but is a typical mp3-player-record-voice-function-Quality reachable?

 

@mbh7711
To be honest, I've got no clue. I've never used any microphone in any Computer. How do I activate it?

Edit:
I did a test. It's pretty crappy and I doubt that it will be able to pick up the prof, it rather picks up the notebook's own sounds instead of ambient sounds. An external microphone is a must in this case.

 

The ION basically is the 9400IGP though, so...

 

Now to convince a manufacturer to put a su9600 and 9400m in a netbook..............

 

@der_maili

Could you share your power management tweaks to get it to be completely passive without SmartFan? Thanks!

 

I've posted it in Timeline Tweaks
But you have to keep in mind that the fan will start at 47degrees, so when doing something more taxing it will spin up(I've measured this with SmartFan. RMclock's temp reading seems to be too low). When surfing it's off though.

 

I think it's more like trying to convince Intel to let them do it

By the way, after having installed Vista, ran all updates, made backup and uninstalled the bloatware I still have 70% battery life left, ran about half the time with "balanced" and the rest on "battery saving". I don't think I'll have any problems with getting 8hours on this, so I wouldn't worry about the SU4100 taking much more juice than the SU3500

 

ION is the chipset + GPU. That's why I said we can see culv + 9400, but never ION + culv.

 

From nVidia's respective pages for both.

ION:
Memory Interface DDR3-1066 / DDR2-800
DirectX 10 Support Yes
Graphics Cores 16
Core/Shader Clocks 450/1100 MHz
Texture Fill Rate 3.6 Billion/second
Max. Anti-Aliasing (AA) Sample Rate 16x
RAMDACs 300MHz
Max. High-Dynamic Range (HDR) Precision 128-bit
Max. Analog Resolution 2048 x 1536
Max Digital Resolution 2560 x 1600
NVIDIA PureVideo® HD Yes
With Full HD decode (1080i/p)
Display options HDMI, dual-link DVI, DP, or VGA (any 2)
PCI-Express 2.0 20 lanes
1 x16
4 x1
SATA drives 6
SATA speed 3Gb/s
RAID 0,1
Networking 10/100/1000
USB ports 12 / 2C
PCI Slots 5
Audio HDA (Azalia)

Mobile 9400 IGP:
CUDA Parallel Processor Cores 16
Memory Interface 128-bit
Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec) 21
OpenGL 2.1
NVIDIA CUDA Architecture yes
Gigaflops 54
Texture Fill Rate (billion/sec) 3.6
NVIDIA PhysX™-ready yes
PowerMizer Power Management 8.0
Maximum Digital Resolution 2560x1600
Maximum VGA Resolution 2048x1536
Multi Monitor yes
HDCP yes
HDMI yes
Unified Architecture yes
Socket Supported Socket P
PCI Express Configuration 1x16 + 4x1, 2x8
PCI Slots 5
FSB Speed 1066MHz
NVIDIA SLI®-ready 2-Way
DDR Support DDR3 1066 / DDR2 800
NVIDIA MediaShield RAID 0, 1
Audio Specification HDA (Azalia)
USB Ports 12
Ethernet Connection Type 10/100/1000
SATA Speed Type 3GB/sec
NVIDIA FirstPacket technology yes
NVIDIA Control Panel yes
Vista Support yes
NVIDIA GeForce Boost yes
NVIDIA HybridPower™ yes
NVIDIA PureVideo® HD

Where exactly is the difference?

 

Nvidia Ion platform in a culmination of Nvidia's 9400M chipset and Intel Atom processor.

 

I accidentally did a recalibration tonight - I put it in hibernate and left it but then came back and realized it locked up and never hibernated. Instead, it fully drained the battery. After booting back into Vista, I checked Battery Bar and I was back to 0.4% wear and charging normally. So it appears the recalibration does work on this Acer. Although I will not plan to do it again, at least intentionally. Unless I see the wear level increase a lot in a few months.

Out of curiosity, I wonder if everyone else with the 1410 has a similar reading for the 4400mah battery? Is 48840mWh the standard factory capacity?

 

I get 48,396 mWh from battery bar so I guess different batteries may have different amounts.

 

ION is a complete chipset. The 9400m GPU is just one part of it. You need a sata controller, memory controller, usb controller etc. pp.
gma950 is also just one part of the so called Northbridge on the Intel solution.

 

^ Well explained.

 

I did a clean install of win 7. Everything seems to work without additional drivers except for the microphone. Do I need an additonal driver?

 

Hey, is there anything new about those pci graphic boosters? Is there any empty pci bus?

 

There is an empty space for a mini-PCIe connector, marse but you'd have to find a mini-PCIe connector and solder it in place. This post by tnkgrl should give you an overview of the steps involved in doing such a hack: http://tnkgrl.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/modding-the-acer-aspire-one-hsdpa/#more-577

Cheers,
Soul_Est

 

My nephews 1410 diamond black laptop arrived today just in time for his birthday on Sunday, i was getting worried. It is very good value for the money but i knew that anyway.

You need a three prong clover adapter if you buy this in the US and intend to use it in the UK.
I've ordered some UK keyboard stickers of ebay also.

I have to install some software and try and figure what is junk and trial software etc. There are a lot of games on here.

Edited to add:
I upgraded the ram to 3GB, i had 1GB spare at home.
I boosted the volume using the tweaks thread.
Battery life is very good, using power saver, level 3-4 brightness and Aero of over 10 hrs is predicted at start up. You should be able to get 7hrs battery life which is very good for the battery capacity.
Display isn't that bright but you cannot really grumble for the price paid.
I didn't get a usb drive yet, i installed Office using a usb external drive. I guess this is a little learning curve for me to use a laptop without a dvd drive.
I ordered a 16GB usb drive for my nephew of amazon.

This size display is very usable. It is large enough to be used as a main laptop i feel. My eyes don't feel strained at all using this display. It seems noticeably larger than my Sony 11.1 Sony TX. It feels easier on my eyes than my TX.

I own a 13.3 and to complement a laptop that size i think a 11.1< is more ideal. For some people though a travel laptop this size would be perfect.

Trackpad is also nice.

This laptop has got a mini pci placement on the motherboard. However, you would really need a very low profile pci connector. I own a Acer Aspire one that is meant to be low profile but there is no way you would be able to shut the memory cover with that in place.
I own one of these, i bought it for something else some time ago.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mini-PCI-e-SI...s_RL?hash=item56331e616b&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

This should be ok.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mini-PCI-e-H5...s_RL?hash=item5633b9e8fc&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14


Travel adapter is nice and light and that is a nice touch.

Fan noise is ok.

It seems pretty thin, it is noticeably thinner than my Sony SZ7.

Now i have the very unenviable task of draining the battery. I don't think that anyone will bother to do it so it falls on me to make sure it gets done properly.

 

Anybody found a good sleeve for this notebook?

 

Excuse me while I bang my head on the desk some...

Ok, now that it's over...

The ION is a single chip chipset with an IGP link. The GeForce 9400M G is a single chip chipset with an IGP (just like the ION). Here's the quote direct from nVidia, " NVIDIA® GeForce® 9400M G motherboard GPU redefines the notebook architecture by combining a mainstream GPU, system memory controller, and system I/O into a single chip for the smallest, most power efficient visual computing experience ever available in notebooks."

They are effectively the same. They have the same specs. There are no more chips in either system. They are both implemented with just a CPU + Chipset. That chipset just has two variants. When used with an Atom CPU it's called an ION Graphics Processor. When used with a C2D CPU (or similar) it's called a GeForce 9400M G.

You can blame nVidia for the confusing naming, but the GeForce 9400M G is not a part of the chipset, it is the chipset.

 

Nvidia Ion is a platform that includes the Intel Atom processor. The graphics part is called 9400M.

PS. let's keep the discussion on topic from this point on. For discussing what Ion is please open a new topic.

 

I have this one: http://www.amazon.com/Case-Logic-Ultraportable-Neoprene-Notebook/dp/B0018LYCYK

I got it from a RadioShack clearance for $8 I think. It's tight but fits good, still room for my usb travel mouse etc in the outer pocket. Doesn't seem like the zipper messes up the glossy finish.

You can get the cheap pouch-type (no zipper) from Meritline or Dealextreme (search for 10" sleeve) but they're pretty tight. I'd recommend the 12" if you can find one though that would be a little loose.

 

Has anyone tried to get xp on the machine? I tried but it saying that there is no harddrive and to insert a manufacturer cd ... idk, over my head

 

Oh, that error has to do with XP not supporting SATA properly (prior to XP SP3 if I recall correctly).

Even if you get it working, I don't think you'll get much benefit on this with XP over Windows 7, which you should get in a month or so if you register for the free upgrade. Windows 7 runs as fast (subjective perception) on this as Windows XP on my work computer, which has a 2GHz Core2Duo. Vista is pretty responsive, too. Especially after uninstalling all the junkware Acer pre-installed.

 

It's on my agenda, but right now I'm still fiddling with Vista. To get rid of that HDD problem, go into BIOS and switch harddrive access from AHCI to IDE mode.
I will install XP when I get my Win7 upgrade. I'll configure a dual boot then.

 

I am running Win 7 right now, and your right it is definitely responsive. Unfortunately, at the law school I am at their program for taking exams requires XP or OSX. Thanks for the insight, I can narrow my search now for a solution.