Acer Aspire 1410 and 1810T Timeline (single core) 11.6" Thread

Are these pentiums what we use to call coreduo?

 

So is it like celeron and pentium , the celeron is a cut down version? , at least it use to be.

 

No, its a regular Core 2 Duo, but because of the less L2 cache it is a Pentium.

"These Aspire 1810 models are available in select retail outlets: 1810T-8638, 1810T-8679, 1810TZ-4013, 1810TZ-4174". (from the 1810 page on Acer's website).

 

I realize the source is Intel, but are we sure that comparison is correct? If it's correct, the SU7300 lacks both Enhanced Intel Speedstep Technology and Intel 64 bit instruction set???

 

I think the chip info is a little screwy. No WAY does the SU7300 lack 64 bit.

 

OMG!!! It's about time. I've been checking their website every day for that.

Now, where can I get one?

 

Yike$!

http://www.aquilatech.co.nz/index2.htm

 

SU4100 appears to me Intel's CULV derivate of the the original dual core scheme, where they slapped in two physically disparate cores into one package -- came out cheaper, helped with yield and basically trounced AMD in time to market by almost a year(?) I am basing this on Intel calling the SU4100 a Pentium Dual Core.

SU7300 appears to be a true (same silicon dice integration) of a dual core architecture, or a true Core 2 Duo implementation. Possibly seamlessly sharing the cache between the cores, while the SU4100 has 1 MB dedicated to each core.

Basing this conjecture on the different marketing name Intel uses (and some internal experience ). Either ways, a head to head comparison between the two should be quite interesting once the 1810s are out.

By the way, am I eligible for any "Rep Power" love for reporting this ?

 

Great! Now I have to wait to find out which configuration is actually better?

It never ends!

 

The SU7300 is certainly better and more expensive. The real question is, by how much better performance-wise vs. how much more expensive. If the price differs by $ 50, I'll go for it as I'll likely keep it for a while and the virtualization available for SU7300 is interesting to me.

 

Soliton,

So, what do you think about this info then?

 

I actually think "Enhanced SpeedStep" is a marketing term for the older Pentium branding era (SU4100) hence the SU4100 gets it. Note that the SU7300 doesn't actually have a cross for the Enhanced Speedstep, which to me means that the spec. is irrelevant for the SU7300 (and not that its absent).

As for 64 bit, I have no reason to doubt that it will lack 64-bit support, because the Core2Duo microarchitecture is intrinsically 64-bit and the SU7300 is a Penryn derivative as reported by Anandtech here:

http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=3637

 

All current CPU's in Intel's lineup is 64bit. From Celerons, Atoms, Pentiums, C2D and Xeons.

 

Nope. Mobile Atoms will not be 64-bit until Pinetrail launches in January.

 

Were you talking about this one?

Acer Aspire 1820PT SU7300 2GB 250GB 11.6 WIN7 1YR Core2 Duo SU7300 1.3GHz 2GB DDR3 RAM 11.6 WXGAG Touch Screen 250GB HDD Super Multi 802.11a/b/g 6 Cell Battery 1YR Warranty integrated bluetooth.

Your Price: $1,466.44 (GST excl)

I didn't even know that there WAS a 1820 model out. It looks like this one has touch screen AND possibly a CD/DVD. Did I miss a model somehow?

 

The 1820P is the new tablet version that leaked days and is said to have a C2S SU3500. The Gateway EC18t is an identical version with dual core processors and DDR3 ram.

If there is an 1820 tablet with dual core, DDR3 ram, and 8 hour battery life, I would love to have it.

 

How about a new thread for the TZ?

This one is already too long IMO and might be better just to keep it for the 1810T and AS1410.

 

Sorry,

Yeah, that's the one I was talking about. I'm interested in the touchscreen tech, and the SU7300 processor, but I hope that price is inaccurate.

 

Yeah, if you want to use something like Win7's XP mode I believe it requires a chip with VT support (as does ESXi 4 which you won't be running on this). The SU3500 and SU7300 have that while the SU4100 does not. Intel's comparison pages seem a little haphazard. I'd pull down various spec pdfs to be sure about some of the additional features if they matter to you.

As a potential comparison Dell defaults to the SU4100 for its Inspiron 14z. To upgrade that notebook to a SU7300 it's only $30 more.

Either way it's great to see Acer finally announce this in the US. Now the race is on to find retailers with them!

Gaidin

 

The 1820PT appeared in our forum a couple days ago.
( Message #2777 with photo & link).

Acer Australia made the 1820PT official yesterday with a brief announcement.
Interesting Acer specifically mentions " Intel® Core Duo Processor",
which would be the SU4100 for Australia, at least.

And just noticed this photo of a "working" 1820PT at a press event in Sydney.
Its photo #5 if you take the link.

 

Grasp at straws much?

There's a huge problem with your theory. Mainly that Intel never made 45nm dual core chips consisting of two physically disparate cores into one package.

No because you're dead wrong. Sorry.

 

Very cool but I didn't actually realize that the 1820PT was GOING to be available that soon. If that puppy comes out in the US I am definitely interested although with the hinge it sits up a bit more and I already have a 12" Fujitsu tablet. I wonder how much higher the screen will sit up. I love how the 1410/1810 folds back a bit. I definitely would NOT pay $1K for a device like that especially since I already have the T4220.

 

Here's a copy-paste on the meaning of the word conjecture:

con⋅jec⋅ture

–noun
1. the formation or expression of an opinion or theory without sufficient evidence for proof.
2. an opinion or theory so formed or expressed; guess; speculation.

I don't have any data to back myself up. I adequately expressed that by stating its a conjecture. And well, I meant (getting "rep" love) for reporting the availability of the 1810 Timeline in the U.S. and not for reporting a conjecture This is an enthusiast forum, and of slightly mature enthusiasts, I hope.

This was just to be clear. I'll not respond to you again.

 

Perfect! You just made my day.

 

Wow,

Is this Youtube?

 

I thought he was linking to an SU2300 single core. but yeah SU2300 is dual core and that's confirmed now.

I think that list is still pretty close, as long as it's ran under Vista.

SU2300, SU4100 and SU7300 use exactly the same cores with different amount of cache.

Refer to here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Ultra-Low_Voltage

Intel names are just marketing.

 

I wonder if VT will be enabled , so you can use XP mode in Win7

 

SU3500 and SU7300 and up do.

SU4100 doesn't. http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=43568&code=SU4100

 

Yeah, I don't mean if the processor supports VT, but will Acer enable it in the Bios so we can use it, they don't for a lot of models.

EDIT : You can to run the program below to find out if it has been enabled and is available in Windows

http://vmetc.com/2008/07/14/how-to-check-if-your-cpu-supports-hardware-virtualization/

 

for su4100 i'm getting 845 points in cpu mark

 

That`s quite a bit better than the 750 points mentioned for the SU4100

EDIT : on what Acer?

 

Chilko is that in Vista?

 

yes, in vista hp 32 bit with 1810tz

 

Hmm basically all new dual cores are performing better than I estimated.

Maybe this is more accurate:
SU3500 490 points
SU2300 750 points
SU4100 840 points
SU7300 890 points
SU9400 930 points

(Vista, Passmark CPU Mark 32 bit)

 

whoa are you sure on that SU2300 estimation?

 

This was already discussed a few hundred pages back I suppose. Just find results for any other 1.2GHz dual core Penryn it will perform the same

Edit:
It should be about equal to a su9300

 

U9300 scores 768 in the Passmark database, so accounting for the smaller cache size 750 for SU2300 seems to be pretty close.

 

Phil , 989 points on a SU9400

 

Yeah I've seen a couple of scores around 940. Passmark scores are easily influenced by things like Vista vs. Win 7, 32 vs. 64 bit and single vs. dual channel memory.

Passmark lists it at 931 http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Core2+Duo+U9400+@+1.40GHz

If I was sure it wouldn't be an estimation But give or take it's probably not far off.

 

Maybe it`s the difference between ddr2 and ddr3 systems

 

Yes DDR3 probably also helps.

 

I am still surprised that the 1810T only uses DDR2 667

http://us.acer.com/acer/productv.do?LanguageISOCtxParam=en&kcond61e.c2att101=63853&sp=page16e&ctx2.c2att1=25&link=ln438e&CountryISOCtxParam=US&ctx1g.c2att92=447&ctx1.att21k=1&CRC=662014091

 

The RAM 1810t uses can be flashed to 800MHz.

 

according to cpuz the ram in my 1810tz is

HYMP112S64CP6-Y5 (hyundai)
and
M4 70T5663QZ3-CE6 (samsung)

 

Since this thread is so big now we will have separate threads for:
1410/1810T
1810TZ
1810 tablets.

We still need someone to start the tablet thread.

 

Both are 667 mhz , strange they mixed the brands unless you did the upgrade, I always try to stick to the same brand and part number.

 

The Hyundai module is write protected so it's not possible to flash it to 800MHz. Buying a second 2GB Samsung module is the best solution for proper dual channel and gives good performance especially in games.

 

well, getting another samsung module may be tricky, they don't sell them here in bulgaria

 

Acer 1810 timeline is available in Acer website.

http://us.acer.com/acer/productv.do...ctx1g.c2att92=447&ctx1.att21k=1&CRC=662014091

 

No way! Really?



Check out post #2840 on page 284 of this thread. Or check this thread out: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=424213