Acer Aspire 1410 and 1810T Timeline (single core) 11.6" Thread

Thanks-

Where's that passmark comparison of 2300, 4100, and 7300? I think I'll put in my sig so that I'll never forget it.

I'm on the fence now between the 2300 w/ 2GB RAM and 160(I don't care about the HD, I already have 250 and 320 drives) and the SU7300 with 4GB (this means I won't have to buy anything else).

 

Not that I'll buy from J&R, but I can't get to that 5% off deal through Bing.

 

So the $450 1410 model with the SU3500 processor and 250gb hard drive is being discontinued in favor of a $400 model with a Celeron processor and 160gb hard drive?

The former model has already disappeared from Newegg.com but you can still purchase the Gateway clone with the same price and specifications.

 

Quoted from Phil:

Hmm basically all new dual cores are performing better than I estimated.

Maybe this is more accurate:
SU3500 490 points
SU2300 750 points
SU4100 840 points
SU7300 890 points
SU9400 930 points

(Vista, Passmark CPU Mark 32 bit)

Don't remember which post number...

 

From what I understand, the dual core celeron processor is a decent performer, faster than the SU3500, and right behind the dual core SU4100.

An added bonus (for those willing to exploit it), the SU2300 celeron supports VT and XP virtualization mode (requires W7 professional or ultimate), while the SU4100 does not

 

Ah, I didn't know it would be a dual-core Celeron replacing a single core Core 2 Solo in the 1410. I am curious of the battery life and heat difference since Celeron's cannot downclock their speed unlike non-Celerons. They lack the SpeedStep technology. Shame they downgraded the hard drive though.

Anyways, there are a ton of these Acer models now and I must not be the only one who is confused, we need a chart that compares all the models!

 

Some real numbers:

SpeedStep is a joke anyway. Just check my undervolting guide in Timeline Tweaks. Running at full speed all the time is the best, because idle power consumption is always the same regardless of multiplier. Btw, 6x is the lowest multiplier Intel chips support so su2300 has just that 6x and SuperLFM.

 

According to: http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=42779 Intel says it has Speedstep. Technically I think they're just the same CPU family just using different names. (Kinda like how they brought back the "Pentium" name from the dead)

 

I wouldn't put much faith in the information on ark.intel.com. It seems highly inaccurate.

 

What? Pentium never left, there have been plenty of dual core and single core Pentiums before now that were based off the Core architecture.

 

Hi all, I am deciding between
1) AS1410-2285 (Intel Celeron 1.2GHz SU2300) with Win 7
2) AS1410-8804 (Intel Core 2 Solo Processor ULV SU3500) Vista

I have to purchase one of the above in the next two days. While people say su2300 performs better in some benchmarks what about the heat? Celeron has traditionally been known for heating up and always used to be a cheaper alternative compared to other intel chips. Moreover it only has 1MB L2 cache while SU3500 3MB L2 cache. From my understanding this can make a big difference. Whats you say. Please advise.

 

Forget everything you know about Celerons and just buy that thing. Don't try to understand Intel's marketing gibberish

 

Buy what thing?

 

1) AS1410-2285 (Intel Celeron 1.2GHz SU2300) with Win 7

 

So heating is not a concern here? and also 3 MB L2 Cache does not make a difference?

 

About Microsoft's Bing Search Cash Back [bing.com].

Go to Bing.
It is free, but First you need to create an account.
Then select "Shopping".
Then "J&R" from the list of companies.

At J&R, search for "Acer 11.6" and make the purchase.
Wait 48 hours for the Cash Back to show as "pending" in your Bing account.
The 5% $20 to $30 cash back will be approved and accessible within 90 days.

 

Don't know anything about the heat issue, but obviously the extra cache doesn't make as much difference as the extra core does.

 

For actual use, probably not (heat and L3). Can someone here give a performance estimate other than the passmark? The difference is probably like what, 10-15%?

7300 = 890
2300 = 750

890-750 = 140

140 is 15% of 890-

If we take the 769 figure from one of the user posts, it's even less (13%).

These are just estimates of course. Then there's the potential overclockability for these processors to consider.

 

That makes sense to me I have read the reviews on previous 1410 and most of them say it never heated up even after long use. But with celeron I am not very confident especially considering its history as being on the "hotter side"

 

re new win 7 1410/1810

Do the SU2300/4100/7300 and the old SU3500/vista(update to w7 64 or 32)have win7 64 bit to support 4 gig mem
ie is there a diff. of 32 vs 64 bit ver of win 7 on these mach.

 

I say it again, there is no such thing as Celeron history that would apply here. The su2300 has a TDP of 10W like any other dual core CULV.

 

According to J&R, they are all preinstalled with W7 64-bit.

http://www.jr.com/acer-computer/pe/ACE_AS14102285/

 

I just bought into the intel marketing hype and pre-ordered the 1810T with SU7300 (times like this, I hate being a man and getting sold on "horsepower" numbers).

 

If SU2300 is superior to SU3500 why is it that SU2300 costs only $134 while SU3500 costs $262? Almost double.
http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?ids=36697,37133,42779

 

lol
I give up. This discussion is an old hat. We talked about it several times in the past few thousand posts

 

No one is saying the SU2300 is superior. It's just a matter of market positioning and targeted price points, or bang for the buck.

 

Sorry I missed that part of the discussion. I dont think in my sane sense I will be able to go through these thousands of posts to find that out. Anyways, thanks for being patient with me.

 

$399 with the SU2300 is starting to sound really good! Does anyone know which battery is comes with? Bluetooth? One 2gb stick of RAM like our 1410s?

 

SOB! The smaller 4400mAh battery and no Bluetooth. Plus a little less RAM and hard drive capacity. For me that makes up for some of the $200 premium it would cost to go to the 1810. Still a great deal, if it had the 5600mAh battery it would be perfect for my needs. I want the larger battery.

 

I still think its a pretty darn good deal compared to other netbooks/notebooks < $400.

 

I agree! I just want longer battery life. I have the AS1410 now and I'm only getting 4 to 4-/12hrs out of it.

 

You think those prices are accurate, or what any company actually pays for these CPU's?

Somehow I don't think you can buy a PC for $400 that has a $262 CPU in it.

 

I don't feel too bad now springing for the 1810T-

Although I did get an external CD/DVD Burner to avoid the hassle of not having one for software installations--

I hope that the next wave of storage (along the lines of CD/DVD recordables) are disposable USB sticks, SDs, or portable wireless storage.

 

I did what you said and came up empty- I already have a bing account. This offer as it stands is only good if you don't have a bing account. Otherwise, the offer doesn't work. If you want to see what I mean, go through the process again-

 

Well..J&R is a retailer that does not give any feedback on your Bing status.
So you go thru the process. And only after 48 hours do you find out if it Bing worked by seeing it in your Bing account.
TigerDirect, as a different example, shows your Bing status on the check-out page.

 

Thank you for explaining that--

My difference with J&R notwithstanding, this is the best deal you can get especially with the dual core SU2300 at $379.05 after Bing.

 

No.. my point is not to say what the companies actually pay. But to show the difference in prices between the two. Even if the companies pay much lesser the difference between the processors are so very significant that I doubt if the cheaper one is inevitably inferior

 

If I have decided to purchase the new 1410 with SU2300 can someone give me one good reason why I should wait till October 22nd or one more week instead of pre-ordering from JR or Amazon today.

 

None whatsoever. By all means, go for it.

 

Three advantages that I can think of by waiting one more week Well, I could be completely stupid on these. But still....

1) Reading some actual reviews and benchmarks
2) possibility of a drastic drop in the price of the older 1410 with SU3500
3) some better deals than $399 with more sellers in the market

 

Lol. I second Der Mali- I give up.

 

You could always be like what a few of us has done and bought the 5600mah battery. I love the 7.5hours I can get.

 

I think I would rather put that money towards the 1810. You know what I mean?

Don't get me wrong, the Acer 1410 with the SU2300 for $399 is a killer deal. The SU2300 should get it over the HD hump. Acer is not dumb, if they gave us the 5600mAh battery for that price, then they would have a hard time selling the 1810s. They hit the price points perfectly.

 

Yes.. the new Acer 1410 is a killer deal at $399 or less.

Especially because the Intel SU2300 DualCore CPU is testing surprisingly fast.
SU3500 at 490: SU2300 at 750:
SU4100 at 840: SU7300 at 890.
Using the Passmark CPU Mark test Vista32 (as posted here earlier).

Tech-oriented and NotebookReview folks tend to focus on performance and special features. But most users don't care so much about hard drive size or battery life.
And BlueTooth is something their dentist still can't figure out.

So why spend an extra $200 for an 1810t for your kid or dad or your girl friend?

 

I agree with yus9. The 1410 su2300 version has by far the best bang for the buck of all 11.6" CULV devices out there. It's ideal for anyone who wants to upgrade from a netbook. I'd rather take the device with the best price/performance ratio and upgrade more often than going with the most expensive which will be an ancient brick in half a year anyway like any other tech device.

 

Well I got my 1410 a little over a week ago, having not kept up much with the SU3500 vs. SU2300 updates. I bought it at Amazon.com but the actual seller was J&R.

I removed the bloatware games & such and installed some freeware, but I haven't put personal data on it yet. I haven't added any memory. How hard would it be to return it to Amazon/J&R? Do they just make it insanely hard or is it reasonable? I made an initial drive image via Acronis and can easily put it back.

ETA: I don't mind exchanging with J&R for a unit with the SU2300 or SU7300. Would that make things smoother with them?

 

I personally think, as far as the US market is concerned, Acer priced the two 1810 models about $50 too high each. I really think the refreshed 1410 is the best bang for the buck possible. In fact, it might end up being surprisingly short-lived, as it's likely to cannibalize Acer netbook sales, especially if the Win 7 version enjoys wider distribution at retail than its predecessor.

That said, I've got an 1810T w/ SU7300 on pre-order so I'm looking forward to joining the club!

 

Not hard at all. If you are willing to take a 15% restocking fee. Thats the amount JR charges for any returns within 30 days.

 

I agree, But the 1810TZ for $150 isn't bad either if you want or need the extra features it gives you:

Larger hard drive (I don't care.)
Faster processor (I don't care as long as the SU2300 gets me HD.)
More RAM (I'll take it.)
Bluetooth (I wouldn't mind having it, but I don't care.)
Larger battery (This is what I covet.)

Also, the 1810 gets 64-bit Windows. I'm not sure which version the 1410 gets.

My point is, that depending on your wants and needs, you could easily justify either one.

Also what's the deal with the Celeron 743? Why is it even offered? I don't understand why someone would buy it.

 

True.. I would rather get an extra one year warranty for much less than $200 before the first one expires, and if need be at a later stage.