Acer Aspire 1410 and 1810T Timeline (single core) 11.6" Thread

der_mali, I can't remember/find what you wanted me to test. Can you repeat that post and guide me through it?

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Great tip on how to increase the volume:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=171732

 

Here is the post:

I think that smartfan won't work in Vista/Win7 because of a driver problem.

A small gaming test would be really helpful

Btw. I will be gone for a few hours now. I'll check back later. So far I really appreciate your review and it confirmed my wish to buy that little beast soon.

 

ITC.ua have posted the second part of their review:
http://itc.ua/node/40077

 

English translation by Google, thank you Der_mali for the link ...

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://itc.ua/node/40077&sl=ru&tl=en&hl=es&ie=UTF-8

 

What game would be best?

I'm not doing much on the review today but maybe tomorrow.

 

I think that the 4500MHD could handle Source games at acceptable performance so Half-life 2 would be best. Doom 3 would be interesting from a technical point of view, but I doubt that it would even reach 15fps on lowest settings.
I think at least it should not be a stone age game nor Crysis

 

Hi,

Here are starting to appear in Spain the 1810T with the SU4100 in the Web Sites ...

http://www.acuista.com/x/436493-aspire_1810t_413g25n_intel_pen_lx_pj302_001/

They say price is not yet final (may be subjetc to change), article not available at this moment, but it´s here !!

Aspire 1810T-413G25n, Intel Pentium Dual Core SU4100, 3072Mb de RAM, 250Gb HDD, 11.6" HD Ready Acer CineCrystal, 802.11bgn, 8+ horas de bateria, Acer CrystalEye WebCam, Windows 7 Home Premium - Color Azul As1810T-413G25n3072Mb de RAM 250Gb BLUE

490,46€, VAT included !!

It is in pre-order ... I shall call them on monday !

One more in the catalogue:

http://tienda.infoself.com/productos_detalle.asp?id=239921

So the are starting to announce de Su4100 version here !!

Cheers

 

Whaaaat?! SU4100, 3GB for that price?

You Sir are a genius in finding the real stuff
I hope they ship to Germany...

 

Be careful ... I was reading some feedback about this shop afterwards and it looks like they are not very good at all, around 75% satisfaction ... I beleive is relative to Pixmania ... these Internet Shops are good if they have stock at the moment and if you don´t have service problems afterwards ... they only care to sell and put cash in the pocket ... not too much reliable for post-service ...

So, a word of caution ...

.... also I can imagine that the version is going to be the english one, with english keyboard ... spanish is different and we have other keyboard layout with simbols and letters like ÑÑÑÑÑÑÑ ...

Any way, I shall call on monday to know if I can gather some info about when it will be available.

The positive thing is that they are starting to offer this model here !!

Cheers

 

@juan55
Oh yes, I forgot the different keyboard layout. I'm using Paypal for my business so if there would be problems, they would be solved easily.

At least we have an(unconfirmed) price to work with. Makes me happy none the less

 

Yeah ... to be honest ... after reading many feedbacks about this shop (you can imagine ... ), some people say that sometimes they don´t know exactly about the specifications ... or if a product it´s really on catalogue (teleoperators only); so it could be possible some mistakes ...

There are some Web Sites that announce the products early in order to take-in money and orders ... so, as I told you ... a word of caution. Specially with the price when they advertiz: subject to possibole change when it arrives. But at least we can have an idea about around is going to cost in €€€ !!

The positive thing as I said before is that the model is starting to be announced over different sites (still to arrive ...), but it looks like it´s comming ...

Cheers

 

Hey Phil I was just wondering..did you take a day off of work just to wait for the computer to come?

 

I do most of my work at home, so no need to take day off.

It's good to know it's coming. My 1810T has some problems with the paintwork.

I told my supplier and he told me to return it. I might just wait for the SU4100 version.

 

Is it the only problem you have found with the 1810T ???

Godd !!!!

Cheers

 

Yes other than that it's great. The speakers are very loud now and I'm working to get the H264 playback working better.

 

Hi Phill
Many thanks for your review. I'm following it!
One question you did not mention in the review: The wifi is N? There are some confusions in the specs, some models are a/b/g and some a/b/g/N ?
It will be very interesting to compare both models: SU3500 and SU4100. The increase in performance againts the decrease in battery time.
I'm a sport photographer, I will use with Photoshop and Capture NX (I need a small portable I can put in my bag with a decent dispaly). did you try those programs on it? It will be better the SU4100?
I will be in Amsterdam next week, there is a shop where I can buy it?
Cheers from Spain and thanks for your time!

 

Yeah, has anyone heard anything, or from experience have a guess, as to how much of a hit battery life will take from moving on up to the SU4100?

 

Here is a comparison of 3810t(su9400, 2x1.4GHz) and 3810tz(su2700, 1x1.3GHz)
http://www.principledtechnologies.com/clients/Reports/Acer/3810T_3810TZ_0509.pdf

Expect 1810tz and 1810t to perform equally.
(note that su2700 is clocked lower than su9400 in the above example. su4100 is clocked lower than su3500, 1.3GHz vs. 1.4GHz)

 

@Phil
I think I'm on to something!

I was just browsing the board and read this:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=4843422&postcount=1684
I remembered this:
http://168.it168.com/newimage/20090814/benyouhui.html
That guy has got 4GB RAM in his 1410 and got 5.1 in Aero and 3.4 in Gaming.

So using dual channel might have a significant influence on 4500MHD's performance. DXVA might also benefit from a dual channel configuration.

 

This is excellent news! Netbook style size and battery life, and much higher performance and resolution, and a high end netbookish price as well! Mmm.

 

Interesting. Unfortunately I don't have 2x2GB laying around otherwise I would test it.

 

Asynchronous mode isn't that much slower so an additional 1GB module would work, too.

 

I think you mean equal battery life, not equal performance.

The 3810tz (SU9400) scored 59% better than the 3810t (SU2700) in their Mobilemark 2007 runs and offered 92.7% of the battery life. However with the 1810's both the cache and mHz situation will flip in comparison to their testing. They tested a SU9400 (1.4gHz x 2 w/ 3MB of L2) vs a SU2700 (1.3gHz x 1 w/ 2MB of L2).

In the case of the 1810t vs 1810tz, the SU4100 (1.3gHz x 2 w/ 2MB of L2) vs the SU3500 (1.4gHz x 1 w/ 3MB of L2) the battery life could be even closer since the SU3500 has more L2 cache and runs faster than the SU4100. However, the performance difference between them will likely also be significantly less than 59% in Mobilemark 2007 for the same reasons.

 

My answer was a direct respose to the question about battery life, so yes they will perform equally(battery life wise)

 

Probably not.
The limiting factor is the 4500MHD GPU not the memory.

 

FWIW, after thinking about it for a while, I'm pretty sure I will cancel my J&R pre-order for the 1410 and I will wait for the dual core version. I didn't realize the SU3500 lacked hyper-threading. I gave up on singe core processors without HT a long time ago. They're just not responsive like a dual core or single core processor with HT.

 

I think the same.

I've been working a bit with the 1810T as a a desktop but it's always been fully responsive to me. A couple of browsers, image editing and windows update running in the background were no problem. I'm not doing anything really CPU intensive though.

It feels quicker to me than my Pentium M 1.6Ghz that does have hyperthreading (?). I think you may be over estimating hyper threading.

I think the 1810T with 4GB, Windows 7 and SSD will be a very fast and responsive system.

The reasons I would prefer the 1810TZ is more related to (flash) video playback.

 

Well that would be icing on the cake. Other than the money and waiting a little longer, I don't really see any downside to getting the dual core processor instead of the single core.

 

A potential downside could be heat and noise. Two cores are likely to create more heat than one core.

The 1810T is quiet, but when stressing the CPU a bit the fan becomes slightly audible.

 

Did you check the core temperature? Acer tends to set a very conservative fan management, thus I will try to hack it when I get my 1810t.

Also one probably last question, did you set the power scheme to balance mode and check CPU speed with CPU-Z? Others have mentioned that their su3500 clocks between 1.2GHz and 1.6GHz.
This is the one important point that would let me buy 1810t instead of 1810tz.

Basically I don't care about dual core. su3500 should perform about equal to a 1.8-2GHz Pentium M.

 

I wouldn't count on it. The main limiting factor is the CPU. Intels IGPs tend to scale extremely with CPU performance. The question is, if the CPU is just above the performance level where a benefit of dual channel would kick in. Just check the link above where someone measured the difference in performance of dual channel vs. single channel on an x3100 system. The x3100 is basically the same as 4500M, just clocked a bit higher(actually not in case of GS45, which runs at 320MHz) and two more shader units.
And check the chinese 1410 link. The 1410 had higher scores in WEI while having a slower CPU. The only difference is the dual channel config. Memory bandwith is always an important factor in a shared memory configuration.

 

Haven't yet. I'm too happy with the fan noise to really care.

I noticed the clock goes up to 1.6Ghz very occasionally. I don't know what causes it.

When I run benchmarks in Balanced the CPU is clocked at 1.4Ghz and performance is lower than in High Performance.

 

That's good news! So it is obviously capable to run at that speed. I will check what I can do with some register hacking. I'll buy the su3500 version. Maybe I should wait till 1810tz is available, the price could drop a bit for 1810t.

 

Some AC power draw measurements: idle is around 15-16 watt, high load is around 19 watt.

 

They are claiming they have a dual core version with 4GB RAM (dual channel?) and a fast 80GB SSD. So in their opinion this is the fastest laptop in the Timeline series.

 

So, theirs has a SU9400? Otherwise how is it faster than the 3810-6775 which has the ssd, 4GB DDR3, and the SU9400?

 

Maybe they don't know what they are talking about? It says AS1810T on the lower right part of the screen bezel, so it should be a su3500 version.
Very weird

 

Well, all the power the system uses ultimately goes to heat. If the dual core system basically has the same battery life that means it uses the same amount of power. If it's using the same amount of power it's generating the same amount of heat.

 

True. However, I don't think single core and dual core get the same battery life, especially when you're actually using your laptop.

In battery eater classic, Notebookjournal measured 274 minutes for the SU9400 (Travelmate 13") and 324 minutes for the SU3500 (3810T). The SU9400 had a 5600mAh battery to achieve that, the SU3500 a 5200mAh.

 

I hope the dualcore comes up for preorder soon. I almost clicked pre-order at J&R today but I'm glad I waited and did some searching. I also want to wait until Win7 is already loaded so this works out well.

 

I think the PDF I posted above should give a better estimate about single vs. dual core because the used systems were exactly the same except CPU. The 8371 and 3810 might have more differences, like HDD screen etc.

When performing a certain task the OS should equalize the load between the two cores so each core uses less energy than one core that has to do double the work.

Edit:
Wait!
Or pentium uses more power than core 2 and the difference would be higher if su2700 wasn't a pentium?
I might investigate further tomorrow...

 

SU9400 has a 10 TDW and SU3500 has 5.5 TDW that should explain it

 

www.netbooknews.de has covered Phil's review
http://www.netbooknews.de/8347/acer-aspire-timeline-1810t-im-test/

 

Wow, at $449, count me in. Netbooks be damned.

 

An equally clocked dual core burns twice the power when at 100% but
1. It would just be at 50% load when performing a task where a single core would be at 100% or
2. would perform the task in half the time.

The power consumption when idle is the figure to look at. A dual core will have a higher power consumption when idle but as a whole the system wouldn't use twice the power.

 

1080p video playback with DXVA disabled. The Bourne Supremacy, quite a heavy clip.

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I once tried this clip with my overclocked 2GHz Aspire One. It got either out of sync or the image quality was bad depending on setting.

 

der_mali, I have Doom 3 installed now. On what settings/resolution and how would you like me to test it? I can make a video.

 

Cool
Try 640x480, high quality.
Edit:
If you didn't know already,
for console press ctrl+alt+^ and type timedemo demo1
for benchmarking.

 

Acer Direct of the UK is taking preorders for the 1810tz with core duo at 449 British pounds.

HTML:

http://www.acerdirect.co.uk/Acer_Timeline_1810TZ_Laptop_LX.PJ502.051/version.asp

That's $741 US dollars! Too rich for my blood. I going to put my order in for the as1410 at JR.com. With the cashback from Bing it should come to a little more than the Gateway LT3103u I had been planning to get from Best Buy.

I wanted to get the best netbook for the money, but this was starting to spiral way out of control. $741 would be almost twice my original budget. The as1410, even with a single core should still be able to out perform my old toshiba a105-s2141 (Celeron M 410 at 1.46ghz) with 3 fewer pounds and longer battery life. The Toshiba performs most of what I need it to in a laptop, so the 1410 should be adequate for my needs.