Acer Aspire 1810 Tablets Thread

Price is always the issue . If it wasn't, I would already have my Thinkpad x200.

I also forgot to mention, the SU7300's 'virtualization' is really only needed for running XP mode in Windows 7 Professional or higher. So if the Acers come with Home Premium, it's pretty much null to have that feature.

And if you need it and you have a SU4100, you can still run Virtualbox which gives you a pretty nice experience but without the launch speed. I actually prefer Virtualbox because it gives nicer graphics simulation (windows don't chop up when you move them).

For the software I would put on the tablet, I won't be putting any unless it starts with a modded driver that enables palm rejection. I'm hoping there's some way to copy what Asus is doing with their Intelliwriting palm rejection. Apparently it's not great, but its better than nothing. Was very disappointed to see Acer was lacking palm rejection.

 

would there be any possibility of creating a simple program to filter out palm touches? I dont know much about coding, but if you could get a program to just filter out blobs of touches larger than the size of the stylus, that should effectively be palm rejection, right? and also maybe just a shortcut to toggle this software on/off to switch between pen and touch mode.

How would you go about coding this software? Would it be possible to use a software that just acts as a bridge between the driver and whichever software you would use..or would a modded driver be needed?

where would I find information on how to use the API (inkAPI right?) in the form of a book, website etc. and which language would be the best to use?


Thanks alot,

Cya

 

effect of extra L2 cache: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cache-size-matter,1709-8.html

 

This doesn't really contribute anything...all they did was compare benchmarks which was essentially what I was drawing my conclusions from. It's just that their's is apples to apples and clearly shows the performance boosts from the extra L2. But these differences were small even at 2.4ghz.

The CULVs run at half that so the clock speeds on those will be a much greater bottleneck than L2 cache size, hence their similar performance.

 

Comprehensive table here comparing relevant CPUs using four different benchmarks (when available).
Attachment is a printable Word doc of the Table.

 

Not saying there is a simple way of doing it, but palm rejection is definitely possible without an active digitizer. There are two netbooks that do it out right now, one has multi-touch (Asus' Intelliwriting) and the other is single input resistive, CTL's Convertible Netbook.

You can see CTL's Convertible only accepts sharp point input at about 5:10

 

So, back to hardware - any news on a US LAUNCH date, now that it appears that they are released for our good friends in Europe, and what model we are getting?

 

For those that are familiar with the non-touch sibling notebooks, is it feasible to overclock these processors a little? I know some of the Asus laptops have that option, and I wouldn't expect the OEM BIOS overclock option that Asus includes, however with a software clockgen adjusting program like SetFSB, does anyone know if an overclock is possible?

 

If this truely includes DDR3 1066 it most likely is a different board and possibly different PLL. So we will have to wait and see on SetFSB capability.........

 

Has there been any talk about a 3820pt or 4820pt? When might we see something like that?

 

One from the PDC Conference sold for $625 on eBay It Now last Wednesday. I am so mad at myself for missing it.

 

What they got at the pdc was nice, but it falls shy of the coveted 1820pt. Even, if more are ebayed I wouldn't touch em.

But, then again some here don't mind the lower models so I guess we can agree to disagree.

 

A tidbit of solid news.

Chunghwa, Taiwan's largest telecom company is offering a 3G model 1420P at reduced prices when coupled with a two year service contract.
Chunghwa's website pegs the list price of the 1420P at $25,900 NT. Which is $806 US.

Will explore the Chunghwa options in the next few days.
Maybe get my hands on a 1420P for under $400 US (with contract).
Almost as excited about 3G networking as about the tablet functionality.

 

Well just my luck that I'll be in the UK Dec 9-14th for work. But do I want to pay a $200+ premium to get pick one up (+ a few bucks for a power converter), or do I wait indefinitely?

Or, anybody like to owe me a favor? haha.

 

1820ptz up on uk.insight.com for £534.74 - quite tempting

 

Can anyone see a downside to the Microsoft PDC versions of the 1420p over the (eventual) retail version? They claim the bios is customized by Microsoft, instead of Acer, I'm guessing. I can't imagine they would discontinue support or vary the specs for the device much, especially since they were handed out to encourage developers to program on them.

 

I already pre-ordered the 1820ptz and it seems that the pervious posted release date won't hold. Almost every major shop in germany has changed the release date from december 9th to "unknown". Some state dec. 18. now but this might just be a guess - like dec. 9th before ?

But i am still hoping for a dec 9th release

Tobi

 

Same in Spain. From December 1st all the internet shops are now anouncing it at mid december or don't say any date It seems that there is a delay for any reason worldwide.

 

Same old same old...typically from consumer electronics brands trying to push the development cycle so that the product is in stores in time for the lucrative Christmas!!

Unfortunately, it seems we will all have to be more patient and wait for 2010 to get our hands on Acer affordable, and hopefully formidable, tablet pc :-S

(Am I pessimistic, or just realistic?)

 

Well the problem with waiting till 2010 is that arrandale will start selling making these culv obsolete. If I can't get my hands on one before 18 december I'm waiting till april for the next generation of tablets.

 

At least according to Electronista, the Arrandale chips coming out in April are slated to be replacements for higher-tier CULVs like the SU9600, so it shouldn't affect the 1820P(TZ) until the summer.

 

This really sucks, but waiting until April for Arrandale? I don't think so...

Hmm, apparently the PT is for sale at this Swedish website. You guys sure this delay is global?

 

Got my hands on a 1420P at an electronics expo here in Taipei.
But the battery had been drained.
My expectation were probably unrealistic given the weeks of chatter here.
So I was actually a bit disappointed. Compared to the non-tablet, it does feel thicker and heavier. The hinge seemed a little loose, with the display falling backwards after a angle of maybe 150 degrees.
Just does not feel like the same elegant product as the non-tablets.

The 1420P is now in the standard Acer brochure alongside all the other Acers. List price is $26,900 nt converts to $799 US. But for various reasons including VATs, it probably means a $649 US list price.
Intel SU2300
2GB (1x2GB)
320HD
Draft-N
No slot behind the battery for 3G.
Brochure has the 8-hour battery symbol next to the tablet,
which would be a surprise if true.

 

All tablets are going to be heavier and thicker than their non-tablet cousins.

 

Yea.. of course. But the overall "feel" of the 1420P was so disappointing compared to the non-tablets. I'm actually reconsidering my decision and may purchase an ~1810T, if any become available again.

BTW.. Acer seems to be in the process of changing their 11.6" non-tablets in the US.
I'm pretty sure the 1410 will be sold only with the SingleCore 743, no longer with the SU2300 for $399.
I suspect a middle-priced 11.6" will emerge with the SU2300, 8 hour battery, and Bluetooth for $499.
And then an enhanced higher-priced 1810T with SU7300 or SU9400, with 4/8GB DDR3, 500GB hard drive, 3G for maybe $649.

 

How was the touch screen?

 

Ughh, I would avoid the single cores. The single core Timelines are just glorified internet kiosks. A SU7300 or SU9400 would both be good choices.

Unlike typing, which can tolerate lapses in syncing, anything involving inking would fail miserably if the CPU decides to top out.

I'm curious the type of digitizers they use. Because the old HP tx2000/tz2500s use Wacoms and they sell for the same amount currently. A crappy digitizer is deal breaker on a tablet.

 

Sry but the screen is resistive , the stylus is just a plastic cane it seems. It somehow seems to have pressure sensitivity like the asus tm91. For art, it's not gonna be a great tablet. for inking( if they input palm rejection) it's gonna be great.

 

Resistive ain't all that bad. The HPtx2500 is a resistive screen. The pen works great though, with palm rejection and pressure sensitivity.

 

1820PT convertible twists its way onto Acer's US site

Acer Page

 

Old news. I wish they something profound like a release date! wouldn't that be earth shattering?

 

Engadget is a little slow to the punch, that was posted about here a few weeks ago:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5495458&postcount=148

 

I know, I just wanted to bump the thread.

 

I have given up waiting on this.

Since you know the market well, can someone please suggest an alternate purchase for me ?

I am giving up on tablet feature - any brand, around 12 inch, good resolution, pentium dual core, 6 hrs battery life.

Thanks.

 

Asus Ul20A
Acer 1410/1810
HP DM1
Lenovo U150
Dell Mini 11z

 

Since we can be pretty sure it'll be out before Christmas, my guess is we'll be getting some major updates next week.

What do you guys think?

 

I'm pretty sure it'll be after Christmas. They've missed out on the optimal Christmas shopping window already.

 

Yeah, if they haven't released it by now, it is going to be well after Christmas.

 

If we're going to be waiting until 2010 for this I'm hoping for a version with switchable Nvidia graphics like the Asus UL30Vt, or even Intel Arrandale... I mean, by the time it comes out that stuff will be more common (assuming they continue this waiting game).

 

Switchable graphics? On a 12"? Hah!!! Talk about heat problems.

 

If LG can fit a 9600GT into a 13.3", why can't this have switchable graphics. The Asus N10 does.

 

12" already have their own set of heat related issues. I just don't see the point of piling on discrete graphics to that. Let alone a tablet. You just end up getting a laptop that's too hot for too little gain.

 

well on a 12"er I agree that switchable graphics is overkill atm, but next year with arrandale it will be a different story. I think anybody would apreciate having the best of both worlds. And concerning heating problems, since these culv notebooks showed up I haven't heard any complaints.

 

And we are talking about tablets here also. Keep in mind these computers have to work optimally in slate mode as well.

 

How was multi touch?

Did you need to apply quite some pressure before it registered your touch? Did it react fast, or was it lagging?

 

I agree that now it is too late for the Christmas shopping, so ACER is probably not hurrying up so much anymore. Therefore, I suppose it will be out no later than February (hopefully January), otherwise it will start not making sense anymore.

And by that time I don't think Arrandale based tablets will be common...and even less with switchable NVIDIA graphics.

I wish Asus (or someone else known by reputable quality/price/features ratio) announces, and launches quickly after, a similar competitive tablet in time to compete with the 1820 PT.

 

I haven't tested it personally , but according to all the info I've gathered it's more responsive than n-trig's digitizer which is good by my standards, and it is probably using the same pressure as most other ressistive screens , meaning on contact size, but all I rly know is that inking in onenote looks good on it. You can check some of the youtube videos posted in this thread to see for yourself.

 

If it is resistive, it won't be multi touch.

 

Sry to say this but that's simply a belief caused by the fact that multitouch showed up first on capacitive touchscreens.

Check out stantum technology and you will see that resistive has surpassed capacitive in many ways. However this acer screen doesn't seem to be stantum based since it only has 2 point multitouch. Stantum is alrdy doing 10 point multitouch.

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Well, technology does change.