Acer Aspire 5930(G) owner thread

And... my personal record (5930g WR? ) in 3Dmark06

Now let's go to the 8000!!

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was it hard to get the T9600 processor in place?

Thinking about doing it myself, what was the 3Dmark06 score before you changed the processor?
Nice score btw, i think it's a WR with that processor.

 

Thanx again man !

As for memory :
http://www.kingston.com/hyperx/products/khx_sodimm.asp
last one is ddr2 800 mhz with 4-4-4-12 low latencies actual best so-dimm ddr 2 memory but like Deks i think it won't bring any performance increase. in addition, it's far too expensive, more than 200 $ for 4GB.

Mine scores 1720. +800 is not bad. they announced 2598 for T9600 here : http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Processors-Benchmarklist.2436.0.html but i think it's other components dependant ;-) 2520 isn't far tough.

With your actual gpu's frequencies, you should score more than 7299 maybe 3Dmarks gives a wrong résult with such frequencies. Try to stick frequencies as 625/1550/900 as an experience ;-). It could be interesting.

last thing : where did you buy your T9600 and How much you paid for it ?

 

199€ in eBay (same as your link)
I'm using Vista 32 bit and 179.28 nvidia drivers

 

Actually your score seems normal i was wrong
So you must experience a good improvment into games that are processor demanding like GTA IV ?

 

gives us some gaming benchmarks please.....!!!!

 

On from this, sorry, i am using 179.28 drivers, so not dox's ones.

TP7350 is my processor.

My idle is 53 and I played fallout3 for 2hrs last night and my temps went up to 81. The air con was on in the room at 16, I was freezing my off.

Does anyone reckon this is a problem?

Thanks,
George

Deks, congrats on student visa!

 

Bodkin
Your cpu is P7350.
Meaning that your idle cpu temperature is actually on 43 ... not 53 (HW monitor reports 10 C higher because it's set on a thermal threshold of 100 C and P7350 has a thermal threshold of 90 C) ... so the temps in question are standard (I should know because I have the same CPU).
Your maximum temps therefore are actually on 71 to 75 C.
No need to worry.

Alcyonex
That is an impressive score.
Roughly 2000 more in 3dMark06 ... and that might be about 40% increase in performance (at least as far as 3dMark06 is concerned because it would appear that 1000 in 3dMark06 = roughly 20%).
Gaming benchmarks would be good and some render times from 3dsMax if possible.
Idle and maximum temperature readouts for CPU/GPU please as well.

EDIT:
I just got those 2 GB RAM.
Will be installing shortly and see if it's properly recognized in my Vista x64.

 

EDIT 2:

Successfully upgraded RAM from 3GB to 4GB (667 Mhz DDR2, 5-5-5, 1.8V).
My BIOS (1.21) recognizes 4GB RAM without trouble, and Vista x64 also states I now have 4GB as opposed to 3GB before the upgrade.
So at least from my personal experience, this BIOS version works with 4GB.

Now the only things remaining for upgrade are:
CPU (to T9600 most likely) and HDD (likely to 320GB 7200rpm and retain the old/present hdd as an external backup unit).
Not much more left to upgrade though.
And it will certainly be interesting to test this machine when the cpu is upgraded.

Alcyonex
When you mentioned the temps on your upgraded cpu are 1 to 2 C lower (on max load) compared to P8400, you also noted something about a cooling paste.
What exactly did you refer to?
Did you mean to say that the paste that Acer put on the original cpu was no good, or something entirely different?

 

did u overclock your gpu??how much does it affect the temperature?thanks.

 

Deks, all temps quoted are gpu.

I only included my processor model as someone asked for it. Not worried abt cpu temps, just gpu!

Is reaching a temp of 83 worrying? (On GPU)

 

Hello again, nice score there Alcyonex.
Sat here all by myself and played around with the clock's.

clock 1. core clock: 666 : 950 : 1665. score : 6846 3D Mark's 74 degree's.

clock 2. core clock: 680 : 950 : 1680. score : 6902 3D mark's 75 degree's.

clock 3. core clock: 695 : 950 : 1700. score : 6951 3d Mark's 77 degree's.

clock 4. core clock: 700 : 950 : 1710 score : 6950 3d Mark's 77 degree's.

Hm, should we go up or down with the clock's? UP of course

clock 5. core clock: 720 : 950 : 1750 score : 7037 3d Mark's 77 degree's.

clock 6. core clock: 740 : 950 : 1770 score : never made it.

clock 7. core clock: 730 : 950 : 1760 score : never made it.

clock 8. core clock: 730 : 950 : 1750 score : never made it.

7037 is the limit !

On the last three clock's the screen turned black, and I was unable to do anything.
And i figured out that the 720:950:1750 clock was the best one, 77 degree's with two 4cm lego brick's to hold the laptop up from the table, so the fan can get some nice air.

I still think i have the WR on the P7350 processor, but I'll doubt it will be long.

Hope i get my new fan this weekend, modifying the table with a 12cm x 12cm fan right under the cpu and gpu is just great pictures may come !

// Borstad

 

I see.
Well Bodkin, your GPU temperatures are higher by about 10 degrees C compared to mine for some strange reason.
Although I do think that this is a common 'issue' which is evident in other 5930G laptops as well.
Some report 10 deg C higher like yours, and some 10 deg C lower like mine (this might be attributed to HWMonitor incorrectly portraying temps as well ... for the most part, the CPU and the GPU remain close to one another in terms of temperatures).

I don't think that reaching 83 deg C is particularly worrying ... but just to be on the safe side, I recommend you try vacuuming all of your air vents.

Guys, one minor issue has popped out:
Even though BIOS and Vista x64 recognize my full 4GB, the Task Manager sees a total of physical memory of 3 GB for some reason.
Also in 'msconfig' advanced boot options, I cannot set the ram to more than 3072.
It's fixed on it and won't budge. I tried removing the option and restarting the computer, but it had no effect.
I can try again with some other settings to see if I missed something.

Is it possible that the BIOS and Windows will just recognize the 4GB but Windows x64 (because of potential BIOS limitation) won't USE all 4GB?

I realize that Windows usually shifts some RAM to device use such as the gpu, but my gpu only has 512Mb of VRAM and not 1GB.
Even so, I do think that task manager should still be reporting 4GB of Total physical memory instead of 3.
Opinions?

Any other users with 5930 who have 4GB and Vista x64?
What's the total physical memory in your Task manager under x64 and which BIOS version are you using?

 

77°C on 3dmarks bench ;-) i prefer not to imagine in-game maybe 90°. I'm pretty sure that it'll crash in-game with such frequencies even if the bench is successful. But nice record anyway !

 

Btw ... I tried updating the BIOS to 1.23 from inside DOS ... it failed.
The program stated it cannot access the WPH file (even though it was included in the same dir).

The laptop is fine btw, the setup never reached a point to do anything as it informed me right at the beginning that the file cannot be accessed.

Should I just upgrade the BIOS from Windows utilizing the install utility?

 

You are wrong, it's a friends capture (in a spanish forum)

But, with your values I get instantly the black screen!!!

Mi higher marks are 7482 with "only" 665/950/1775, when I "Go up" with the processor, it crash in the butterfly demo

 

Wiiiihaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

7614 Marks!!​

I understand now the OC tomorrow I will coment this!

 

Deks it should work it's weird. Did you run bios.bat into dos mode ???
just put files exactly like that in the usb boot key root : http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sanstitreog1.jpg
and then run bios.bat in dos mode. It works i made it twice.

"i understand now the OC tomorrow i will comment this !"

I'm all ears ! Can't wait to hear this.

 

anyone know how to permanently disable "human figure" (launch acer arcade) button when laptop is off ?

 

No, I ran the 'phlash16' file under DOS.
I was following a tutorial for upgrading the bios on Sager laptops and it recommended you should run 'phlash16' if you are updating the BIOS with a newer version.
It was the best equivalent I could find and everything was ok up until the moment I tried running that file.
It didn't work because apparently the program was unable to access the WPH file (or so it stated).

So, I should run the 'bios.bat' file under DOS instead?

 

yeah like i said before put the files like my screen (winflash dir plus the five other files) on the key root and then boot on the key and run bios.bat in dos mode it will launch the bios update automatically.

 

so? if i understood this, this Spanish dude has the record on the P7350 processor? with 7143 point's?

hm, i don't get a black screen when i do the test, well, i got a cuple of black screen's, but not with the 720/950/1750.
I also tested it with playing Crysis: warhead for a hour, and my gpu temp did reach 86 degree's. but not higher.

and i haven't had any crashes or up's during play when i got that clock.
maybe, because when i got this computer, me and a friend opened the computer, and replaced the cooling paste on the Gpu and Cpu. does that have any effect on crashes? i don't think so, but you never know

But for a simple question, how can i improve my score even more? i want more !

 

Hey guys.
an update:

I installed 1.23 BIOS ... from Windows, and Task manager is now seeing 4GB as well (and using it).


I think I won't be messing with DOS installs of BIOS because the premise that it's 'safer' is ludicrous.
Windows installs exist for a reason, and therefore if you have your laptop plugged into the AC and also have a battery as well just in case, chances are, the BIOS will take without issues.

The only real problems that happen are if you went out of power or have an incredibly unstable OS to begin with (which is pretty rare and for the most part to blame on the individual using it), or if you for whatever reason install a wrong BIOS.

Windows installs WORK.
Stick with them ... much less hassle.

 

Borstad
Keep in mind that very high scores in 3dMark aren't always an indication that your system will be super fast, or for that matter stable.
Gaming performance isn't always on par with 3dMark scores.
Even if you are able to get a very high score in 3dMark, there is also a possibility that your system will be highly unstable (crash/overheat) in actual games and various programs that push your system to the limit (because 3dMark doesn't push the ENTIRE system to the maximum like a game does simultaneously).

I must admit that Alcyonex scores are impressive ... almost 40% increase ... on P7350 no less.
But how stable are games with those gpu overclocks?

Let's keep in mind that if we upgrade our cpu's to more powerful ones (T9600 for example) later on when prices drop even more, there is a pretty good possibility an additional up to 20% increase in games will be noted (so overall we are talking about 60% increase in overall performance with overclocked GPU and a new cpu).

Alcyonex
You are overdue with your comments on understanding the OC better.
Care to share with the rest of us?

cyx
You can try uninstalling ALL Acer additional software from your laptop.
That should take care of your problem.
That's what I did when I initially got this laptop.
Although your request is a tad vague, so care to elaborate a bit more?

 

hei all stepping away from the graphics and technical stuff for a second, i wanted to ask what video codecs and players do you all use... im using klite at the moment, for codecs and i used to use vlc for playing media files but when i use vlc now its giving me a very jerky picture... but using media player classic the video is perfect but the audio sometimes seems to be a little out of sync...

 

media player classic+ ffdshow there is no best alternative it plays all kind of videos even 1080* high def rip (.mkv) without lags.

audio desync isn't a player issue you probably have a bad compressed file.

 

Alcyonex give us some game benchmarks please...!!!!!

 

What would you guys choose between?, wich one is the best computer for gaming?

Acer Aspire 5930G
or
Acer Aspire 7730G

 

Depends on the specs.
Both come with various combination of cpu/gpu/ram, and therefore it's wise to assess between the two products.

The 7730G on the other hand apparently is larger, and might have better cooling because of it's size.
But at the same time, we need details about the specs to help you out.

 

Acer Aspire 7730G 17"

Intel Core 2 Duo T5800 / 2 GHz Double core
4gb ram
320 GB - Serial ATA-150 - 5400 rpm
NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS - 512 MB

more to see at: http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=427977

 

5930G has a better graphics card (9600m GT GDDR3).
If gaming is a decisive factor, go with 5930.

 

Hello, as I promised here is the "step to step" guide to change the processor and also the thermal grease, if you have any question, please post it into the blog comments, thanks

HOW TO UPGRADE THE P8400 PROCESSOR TO A T9600
(Step to step guide)

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Nice guide, why not start a seperate thread here with everything on the blog, that way it may be easier for people to find.

 

nice guide friend!!!now some game benchmarks!!!!

 

what type of mxm is 5930g???

 

Yes, wait 1-2 days, I will put these bechmarks

 

MXM II.
For now we can put in 9650m GT GDDR3 as the most powerful gpu inside.
Although, new ATI mid-range gpu's are apparently much faster compared to Nvidia's solutions, and if they will fit into MXM II slots, then I would likely recommend installing those.

 

which models do you mean???sorry for bad english!!

 

From what i've seen, new ati HD 4600 series are very disappointing. Concerning HD 4670 , frankly scoring 7000 points on a phenom X4 @2,6 ghz station is far to be a performance. In addition ati's gpu aren't so overclockable so it's not worth it at all. Especially when guys here are going up to 7000 with only a T9600 and 9600M GT.
But to be checked on more elaborate benchmarks.

 

But Kallogan, keep in mind that new (and previous generation) ATI cards are all made in 55nm process.
The cards would likely be comparable if not better on their own compared to Nvidia gpu's, and also let's not forget the fact they aren't associated with any gpu failures (bad components and thermal cycling issues) the Nvidia apparently and possibly retain in some of their 9xxx series.

3dMark for the most part focuses more on the gpu compared to the cpu (although cpu power IS taken into account).
If the 4670 scores 7000 points with a phenom cpu, then keep in mind that it could possibly get more points with a fast C2D (such as T9600/T9800) or Quad as they are still better compared to AMD solutions.

I think the mobile 4670 is around 20 to 30% better compared to 9600m GT GDDR3 (no cpu power included).
That's still on stock speed and lower manuf. process (less heat and power consumption as well ... which might allow for better overclocks as ATI never had a chance of having a decent share on the mobile gpu market).

I would love to see a mid-range solution that is 2x better than our 9600m GT's, but sadly, you will eventually hit limitations with 128bit buses.
And let's also take into consideration the fact that in the future, we will need higher resolution screens if we want to improve our own visual quality in games and various GUI's of programs that look better on a larger resolution.
1280x800 is more than adequate for now ... at least it is to me ...
But larger resolutions in the future and playing at those native resolutions will need a 256bit bus solutions.

 

still i wonder if i install windows xp sp3 i see a difference on games...now i have windows vista 32bit a p7350 cpu,4 gb ram 800mhz,250gb hdd 5400rpm.9600m gt gddr3...please help....

 

I thought that phenom X4 was nearly equal to Quad mobile in performance terms and therefore superior than any core 2 duo cores but it seems that it's not the case. My mistake then ;-)

HD 4670 will maybe worth it in that case.

johnny man you really have 800mhz memory ??? You changed it then ?

 

yes i change it!!!what's is your opinion fo xp sp3??any perfonce boost on games??

 

Ah im having some hard time guys with choosing a laptop. The thing is that my father who's buying it for me can only buy it from ( www.dustin.se) And i can choose between all of theese computers http://www.dustin.se/lp_322_1945.aspx#UHJpY2U=

Rather not the ones that cost 7000kr+

Which one would you guys take if it's suppose to be for gaming and maximum prestanda.

thanks in advance

 

the first one hp pavilion its the best!!!powerful cpu and 9600m gt!!good for gaming!

 

Where did u find that?, and how much did it cost? because i cant find it in this list i gave u: http://www.dustin.se/lp_322_1945.aspx#UHJpY2U= (just page 1)

 

sorry my mistake...nothing is good for gaming..under 7000kr nothing is good...sorry..

 

Lol ... well, do keep in mind that 5930G laptop is a mid-range one.
And I wouldn't say it's not good for gaming.
It depends on which games you play.
Most of the latest titles will play just fine maxed out in native resolution on this laptop ... on stock 3dMark06 scores no less (apart from Crysis that has a relatively poorly written code, and GTA IV that was badly ported to PC and therefore is much more CPU dependent).

I play all of the games I like without issues on this puppy and will be upgrading my cpu to T9600 likely later on so I can increase render speed in 3dsMax.
I already maxed out the RAM (although I will expand to 8GB provided of course Acer releases BIOS support for 2x4GB sticks in the future once the prices for those sticks drop and they become more widespread), and after that, I only need to upgrade the HDD to a larger capacity one with possibly more speed (if it's going to be a good value for the money) while retaining my present hdd as an external storage drive.

Quite simple.
This little machine is actually very capable once you think about it.

 

Deks with windows xp sp3 you get better perfomance on games???

 

Windows XP seems to give you 100 more marks in 3dmark06...