Acer Aspire 5930(G) owner thread

if i install windows 7 i will see ant difference in games??some fps boost?now i have windows vista home premium 32bit!!sorry for bad english..

 

'dragonuk'

The instructions on how to undervolt the gpu are a few pages back.
Go to page 100 (just in case) and move forward from there.

It's rather simple to undervolt the gpu and it shouldn't cause any damage to the gpu.
Quite the contratry ... it's supposed to make your gpu run cooler and as a result will last longer.

Undervolting either the CPU or the GPU will hava a variable effect on the system.
Since 5930G CPU and GPU share the same heatsink, it would be wise to undervolt both.
My standard temps while gaming without a cooler (in this hotter weather in London) are 70 to 75 degrees celsius.
And with my cooler, I get down to 60 degrees (about 65 degrees if the weather is hotter).
Those are CPU temps ... GPU temps are by about 2 or 3 degrees higher.

So yeah, you can see a very large decrease in temperatures by just undervolting the cpu (which will reflect on the gpu as well since they both share the heatsink).
In any event ... I think I was able to lower my overall temps by about 20 degrees celsius.
Am planning to go even lower once I remove existing 'stock cooling paste' and replace it with something better.

'johhnyman27'

I would say you might experience an FPS boost but it's anybody's guess really.
If you want to make sure you are getting maximized efficiency out of your system, install Windows 7 x64 (that's 64 bit).
But I would surmise there might be a slight performance increase.
Win 7 is overall snappier and more responsive than Vista from personal experience.

 

Whats the undervolt temperatures everyones using for GPU and CPU and what program do you use?

 

Hi from the beach !!!!! I just love when this thread is active ;-) I still haven't received my P9600 grrrrr !!!!! Deks seems like you're on guard duty ;-) You're a chief ;-)

P.S : Rayyan, Find another cold place ;-) Alaska is already copyrighted !!!!!

See ya

 

How much was the P9600 ?

 

Hi guys, will i lose the warranty if i remove the back cover to clean the vents on my acer 5930 laptop.
this is the info from HW monitor
ACPI hardware monitor

Temperature sensor 0 52°C (125°F) [0xCB4] (TZS0)
Temperature sensor 1 52°C (125°F) [0xCB4] (TZS1)

Dump hardware monitor



Hardware monitor
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Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo P7350 hardware monitor

Temperature sensor 0 56°C (132°F) [0x2C] (Core #0)
Temperature sensor 1 56°C (132°F) [0x2C] (Core #1)

Dump hardware monitor



Hardware monitor
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GeForce 9600M GT hardware monitor

Temperature sensor 0 56°C (132°F) [0x38] (GPU Core)

Dump hardware monitor



Hardware monitor
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WDC WD3200BEVT-22ZCT0 hardware monitor

Temperature sensor 0 52°C (125°F) [0x34] (HDD)

Dump hardware monitor


Processors Map
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Number of processors 1
Number of threads 2

Processor 0
-- Core 0
-- Thread 0
-- Core 1
-- Thread 0


Processors Information
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Processor 1 (ID = 0)
Number of cores 2 (max 2)
Number of threads 2 (max 2)
Name Intel Mobile Core 2 Duo P7350
Codename Penryn
Specification Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU P7350 @ 2.00GHz
Package Socket P (478) (platform ID = 7h)
CPUID 6.7.6
Extended CPUID 6.17
Core Stepping M0
Technology 45 nm
Core Speed 1596.0 MHz (6.0 x 266.0 MHz)
Rated Bus speed 1064.0 MHz
Stock frequency 2000 MHz
Instructions sets MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, EM64T
L1 Data cache 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 2 x 32 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 64-byte line size
L2 cache 3072 KBytes, 12-way set associative, 64-byte line size
FID/VID Control yes
FID range 6.0x - 7.5x
max VID 1.138 V
Features XD

I did not paste all.
I will if needed, what can i do to improve things.
Thanks alot.

 

No, you will not lose the warranty if you open up the laptop to clean the air-vents.

Or at least, you shouldn't loose it.
Upgrading the RAM for example while still under warranty is allowed, and that requires of you to open the laptop's bottom.

As for improving the temperatures ... clean out the air vents and undervolt the CPU/GPU.

 

Upgrading's done ;-) Not really a worthy upgrade in 3D performances terms but it was fun to disassemble the lap. Not very difficult, it took me about half an hour freestyle (i took my time)

3Dmarks cpu score is 2400 (1700 before). Original voltages go from 0,9875 to 1,1625 V. Idle cpu temp is 29°-32°C (my T5800 was 44°C-46°C). Even not undervolted, it's cooler at full load than my T5800 undervolted from what i've seen.

 

I'll try the Resident evil 5 benchmark to see if this game will be playable. I heard it could be cpu limited just as GTA IV. I'll check. It would be cool that some of you guys try it too just to compare ;-)

http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_re5_downloads.html
or http://www.fileshack.com/file.x/14772/Resident+Evil+5+Benchmark+Version

Edit : Wow, RE5 is incredibly well optimised even with several ennemys on the screen. Textures are ultra-fine. Graphics are really really impressive. It's just too bad that the character seems to have a broom in the Asss. But still it looks very good.

I'll post my bench later. At 1280*800, DX10, no AA, no motion blur and vertical sync on, i scored C without OC (about 26 fps don't remember exactly) and B with OC (30,1 fps). OC is very efficient in the bench. I'm official mobile 186.03 as for drivers. It was the variable benchmark.

 

190 euros. Not bad for a new OEM chip.

 

hello from greece!!i have a problem with my camera.Since my last windows update,it just cannot operate.it doesn't work on msn,nor skype,even in the acer webcam app...is this a well known problem?can anybody help me out?thanx in advance!!!

 

Grats kallogan

I won't upgrade unless I can get my hands on a t9600

I ran the benchmark and got a b on stock clocks
Haven't OCd it and run it yet:



@sfakattack

I have never had any problem with my webcam
Even after upgrading to SP2

Try to un-install the drivers and re-installing them from here:

 

kallogan any noticable performance improvement with the new cpu??

 

Hey guys, my first post here and I really want to thanks everyone!!!! Cuz of u guys now I am doing an UV with the CrystalCPUID and got temps much lower (around 80 just with CPU UV) when my gpu used to "fry" in 94o...
Still a lot work to do, never open it to clean the vents, or change the thermal of the cpu/gpu...
Even I am a little bit afraid of do the GPU UV, cuz it needs to flash the GPU and as this is my only pc I cannot afford to lose it ...
Anyway now I can play GRID or other games for much longer without the heat problem!

I ran the RE5 Bench here, this are my marks at all high, no AA and no motion blur:





Best wishes,
PeK

 

Ingame Not at all ;-) In most of the games it seems more or less useless. Things that have changed : It's cooler and play HD very easily (i mean cpu usage is very low). Nothing can replace a good old graphic card ;-)

 

Try doing the direct x 10 test instead of dx9 and post your results

 

Yeah DX9 gives a better framerate.

I'll post a complete benchmark this evening DX10/DX9, OC/no OC. there will be no differences or so with yours i guess. On the resident evil benchmark thread, a guy said that's it's a gpu intensive game in fact, maybe is right, cpu ain't important.

 

yeah, even if this GPU is full Dx10 the performance on most of the games are really better using the Dx9 and not the 10...
In the example of RE5, my friend with a T9400 will see if there's any difference, but do not look like has!

I just finish Assassins Creed, and the performance in dx9 was around twice than dx10! Could run the game at maximum including filters, really beautiful game but the end is a little bit pity...

BTW, there is someone running GRID? Usually my fps get around 20-26, not so good, any hint about a good config to good look and performance?

 

Running a game in dx10 adds dx10 features tho doesnt it? and makes the game look better than if you used dx9 ?

 

Nvidia - DX10 slower

ATI - DX10 faster

 

There :

All tests are at 1280*800, No AA, No blur and No V-Sync.

DX9 with gpu stock clocks : 33,7 fps



DX9 with 600/1500/800 : 38,2 fps



DX10 with gpu stock clocks : 29,0 fps



DX10 with 600/1500/800 : 32,2 fps



So not much of an improvement on this game.

All i can say for the moment is even if the framerate doesn't seem to change much during games, they seem to run better though. There are less small anarchical lags. Games like Mass effect or brothers in arms which i played before with my T5800 seem to run more fluently despite same framerate or so. Again, it's a general sensation, less sound anomalies...

I think RE5 can support heavy OC without black screens since there is no PhysX crap. Can't go over 620/1550/800 at 0,89V ;-)

As for T9600 Rayyan, alcyonex's one scored 2499 if i remember well. Mine scores 2400. I don't know if it really makes a difference. By the way, he never posted games benchmarks. You should take a T9800 or T9900 ;-) i'm kidding, they're overpriced...If only we could change our gpu.

 

i didn't know that. That's interesting. Shame on you Nvidia. RE5 is a little more beautiful on DX10 but that's not obvious...and not worth it when you see the framerate drop.

 

Yeah

I don't think I will upgrade, because I can't find notebook CPUs here

I haven't noticed major drops by undervolting my GPU, so I will flash back to max voltage and see how much I can OC this card stable, to get max performance

I am planning on upgrading the hard drive to a 500Gb one soon and getting a cooler

EDIT-
To the person who asked, I play grid at all settings High, and with 2x MSAA, with slow down only in a few races, the rest is all smooth
Try changing your drivers maybe ???

 

I don't say it's totally useless.
On the software part it works better of course. I'm musician and Cubase doesn't make my cpu suffocate as easily as before even with many active plug-ins and audio tracks.

But when it comes to games, differences aren't obvious, except maybe for GTA IV or for scoring in 3dmarks. Don't know if there will be many cpu intensive games in the future, it doesn't seem to be a new trend at all for the moment.

It's just a general sensation of improvement. Small details.

In addition, you already have a P8400 with pretty good specs compared to my T5800 (Better fsb, better L2 cache....). Not to mention its impressive undervolting capacity. I can't go below 1.075 V with my P9600. But still it's cooler than my UV'd T5800 even without UV.

You'll see, maybe you'll need a new cpu for an other reason than better gaming in the future ;-).

The funny thing is that if you change your HDD, the sensation of improvement may be more obvious lol (faster windows loading...)

 

Some 3dmarks benchies for those who are interested in :

Gpu stock clocks : 6018 pts (5600 before : about +400 pts)



Gpu 600/1500/800 : 6641 pts (6200 before : + 440 pts)



At 1,05V on gpu and with my T5800 my max score was almost 6900 pts if i remember well. I can score about 7300 pts now i guess as a max score.

 

Thx man! Yeah I am using similar config also into GRID, usually the FPS is not so bad, i was just wondering if there are no tweaks.. (as for Assassins Creed that Dx9 make the game runs almost with twice of performance)...
EDIT: I am using the last drivers from Nvidia's site... I know about the DOX ones, they are really better?

Also I agree, better CPUs are great for some heavy CPU application, and they are not so popular, for gamming most of the time the GPU has the hard work...
I got 1.038V using CrystalCPUID, but I didn't force it more... never got any BSOD, maybe I can get even lower what you think guys? I still need to do the UV on my GPU...

About the HDD, I was working over an AspireOne with a SSD and the issues because of the slow wrinting was making impossible to use windowsxp on it, but then I found a lot of programs and hints that really speedup it! For instance one is an 3thparty drive that creates a cache memory before write on the HD... maybe is possible to find some of this tweaks to improve the performance on the 5930g without spend money, no?

 

What's the brand/model of your ssd ???? Cause now recent SSDs have really high write speed. Between 90mb-150mb/s. I don't know if my 5400 rpm HDD even reach 50mb/s when writing. However i read that SSDs have a tendancy of loosing transfer speed when time passes

 

I am currently using Dox 185.85
Definite improvement in certain games over the regualar ones

I am planning to upgrade my drive to a 500GB 5.4k
I won't notice any diff in speed, because the 500gb 7K drives are too much here, but I could definitely use the extra space

 

I will not resist a long time before buying a SSD. Will try to get a decent 128GB one.

 

Oww yeah, I know about the new ones, they re really great, but this one was one of the first to be released with the AspireOne, it really has a problem with speed...
Don't know exactly the model, because it is from the netbook of a friend sry..

About the DOX drivers, I should try then, before the Nvidia release direct for notebooks on the website (without the modded inf) I was using one, but the performance was under the official one's... maybe now they are better (want to see mainly for Riddick Dark Arena...

 

I played Riddick dark Athena. Very bad optimization for a game that dark and not particularly beautiful. I played it with Dox 185.68 and above which were supposed to make Riddick run more fluently but there was still lots of lags at 1280*800. Pretty good game however especially when you're a Riddick universe fan.

 

Strange, here it runs without too much trouble, with High settings , no filter, but around 30fps... better than GRID.. I am using the 185.81 from the nvidia's site, before the 181 (I think) I was with a really lower FPS...

 

Maybe i'm too exigent ;-) i remember that Fraps used to show 30 constant fps on that game. I don't like games which show constant framerate like Riddick or Trine. You can't know if it's the truth. My eyes don't lie to me, even if it shows 30 fps, sometimes it seems to be wayyy below that.

Concerning GRID, i've tried the demo a few months ago and it ran pretty well according to my memories.

 

Hehe mayba not so sure if it was good as I remember, need to try again after my exams period :/

BTW my volume control (that on besides the USB entry in the front) is getting a little bit (to no say a lot) inaccurate, anyway easy way to fix? Dont want use the warranty...

 

Guys i know that you already knew what i'm going to say but....

I'M A TOTAL D*CKHEAD !!!!!!

I have put wrong cpu settings in RMCLOCK from the beginning. the Cpu type selection was on Desktop and not mobile. That changes everything !

 

LOL !!.....................

 

Actually it changes only the temps but still ;-) Here my stable settings for the moment :



I didn't even hear my fan anymore during orthos test lol. I thought it was broken . 56°C max.

 

I have quite the same issue but i don't care much lol. It's not that inaccurate on my rig for the moment.

 

Do you believe me now, when i said my temps where very low already, i ask you this, because you did'nt answer me, after you poked me (few pages back)

 

I'm so sorry

Guys, I'm proud to show you my future SSD. Intel X25-M. Would you believe me if i tell you that ssds improve games framerate . Here the proof :

http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3403&p=14

 

Nice one Kallogan!
I hope you enjoy a lot your new acquisition!

Well, concern to the RM... nice results also, I am just trying to increase my UV now, little by little, lets see how much I can get...

BTW, there is any improvement or differences in use RMClock or Crystal? For the moment I am using the second one... as suggestion of Desk some pages ago...

 

With RMClock you lose the half-multiplier

So your CPU runs 100MHz lower than normal

Mine does, but I haven't really noticed any loss of performance so I leave RMClock, as I find it easier to use

 

I think I got another issue with Crystal, I am not able to surpass the 1.013V...
I am going lower with the program, but the CPUZ shows no difference, and also when I turn on the Multiplier Manager (F3) its shows 1.013V...

 

I have the same problem, i think it's locked, can't go lower with RMclock too, even if i edit the registry..

But however i can tell you that 1.013v is low enough my CPU never exceeds 65c. And with 1.013v, your CPU is only 16 watts!!!


Tell me if you find something, i tried allot

 

Looks like a dude had some luck using another software called "CPUGenie"
BTW the software looks nice, but it is not free :/... so I gona try the trial version here and see if it breaks the Limit.
EDITED: no the guy just was cheat by the program, it shows a different voltage that it really is (as RMClock here..)

Moreover I found that Intel has a technology to avoid Under Voltings, even if I am not sure this is our case... it can be... I gonna do a BIOS update anyway...
There are any issues/performance gain doing the BIOS update for the last one? Could no find any changelog

Also, I was playing Riddick, Dark Athena, and my frames are far away from bad, monitoring then with FRAPS they are used to be higher than 40fps, but the sensation (as I keep the motion blur on) is ever better... As I prefer to play doing the stealth style, it's no big problem for me be under 60fps

 

CrystalCPUID also limits me to 1.038V, but hey, it's good either way since I WAS able to lower my temps in the end by a pretty good margin.
Of course, I would love to be able to go lower, but hey, my lower temps (60 degrees for CPU and 63 degrees for the GPU while playing 'Prototype' ... with my cooler) are excellent.

The only thing I'm sure of regarding the BIOS upgrade would be that you can go up to 4GB of RAM and it will be fully recognized and utilized in x64 OS.

That's what I did anyway as I noticed in my x64 OS that RAM was not recognized entirely, and after the BIOS upgrade, everything was fine.

Btw, I upgraded the BIOS from Windows ... work just fine.

Oh and ... Acer is notoriously bad in terms of customer support.
They never write down anything in terms of BIOS changes.
Heck ... they haven't even changed any of the drivers since the end of 2008.

I wonder if anyone can try to get their hands on 6 or 8GB RAM for testing purposes and attempt to install it in this laptop with the latest BIOS to see if we can go above 4GB RAM in x64 OS.
We know the chipset supports at least up to 8GB RAM ... although I think I read somewhere it should be able to go up to 16GB, but I definitely could be mistaken ... it's been some time since I read it.
8 GB we know the chipset can handle ... now the question is, can the BIOS handle it.

Btw ... my monitor seems to have started bugging out on me (the same issue I described that has a tendency of happening sometimes when I start the laptop) during use.
It's random and very rare to occur (twice over the past 3 weeks), and again, closing/opening the lid solves it.

I'm seriously thinking on sending the laptop to Acer for repairs ... but I'm also scared of them wrecking it in the process while not taking care of the problem ... because, unless they can see the actual problem, they won't bother with it (heck I don't even know if they bother when they CAN detect a problem).
And I'd be out of a laptop for 2 weeks with no replacement.
Taking into consideration I'm suspecting the LCD greatly as the culprit, I'll try to test out this theory somehow if I can get my hands on a video cable to connect the thing to a TV.
If the image is fine, then the problem is likely down to the LCD screen/video cable end in that section.
And it wouldn't surprise me actually.

I personally like the design of the laptop ... but the screen ... ugh ... the back part of it is apparently softer and likely succumbs easily to damage when transported.
If there's anything I liked about my older DELL laptop (which I left in Zagreb to my mother before coming to London), it's the fact the design was sturdy.

Plus the hinges on my Acer plainly annoy me.
They seem like being the weakest link and could snap if you press harder on the back middle of the laptop.
Why didn't they install 2 more hinges in the middle between the main ones to sturdy up the position of the screen?

 

I'd like to try that. Finding 4GB modules is still not simple. Buying just one module in order to have 6GB could be funny. I would sell it back if it doesn't work.
But i need a x64 OS and i'm too lazy to install one.

 

Agree, would be nice, also for further upgrades

But I don't think any kind of home software asks for more than 2GB in fact... sometimes Image editing must use 4GB... I don't know...

Well.. I tried as much I could, and still lock on the 1.013, but as everybody appears to agree here, is already a big improvement from the original voltage! Now I can play even without my "cooling system" (a vent behind the note )...

And a "small warning" that i was not expecting, after installed the Dox drivers I lost my hardware monitoring with the RivaTuner, was nice before because I could check "on-the-fly" the temps ans usage of the system, besides the frame rate. Now I am back to FRAPS and hope the system do not overheat

BTW guys, I never open my note... still a little bit insecure, the improvement cleaning it is so strong?

thx!

 

Home software is one thing.
I'm more concerned about my 3d Studio Max filling up the RAM when I'm working with large res textures that I made for my NX-01 mesh.
Plus ... having the extra RAM coupled with a higher capacity (and speed) hdd and a better CPU will likely extend the usability of the laptop for the next 2 years.

Although, even in it's present state I could likely hold off relatively easily for the next 2 years before buying a new laptop (I just have to take care of this screen issue)


P.S. I just disabled Superfetch in Win 7. I'm kinda tired of the hdd trashing every time I fire up the laptop and it's sometime extended thrashing later on. Just simpler this way and will likely increase the hdd lifespan (besides, my computer use varies too much for Superfetch to create a pattern for faster loading ... and besides, I can wait the extra few seconds for loading).

 

I live in a dusty place, and this was what my vents looked like after 4 months and it caused me to hit 100C
Now I clean once a month and there is quite a bit if dust each time

First time I opened:



The whole heatsink was clogged by a carpet of dust

I felt the same way as you
But after I opened it, you can understand why I now open and clean monthly