Acer Aspire 5930(G) owner thread

lemmor, I had the same problem and resolved it by using this command line:

Worked like a charm for me.

 

thanks sir, i ll try this and will inform you for the outcome

 

i tried the nvflash -4 -5 -6 code and it worked !!!
thank you very much.

you all have a brilliant minds who shares knowledge.

 

I lost the recovery dvd for this laptop. anyone has the iso or website address where I can download the recovery dvd for aspire 5930G?

Thanks..

 

I don't think one exists.
See, Acer creates a recovery partition on the HDD itself and you can invoke it if you desire to restore the laptop to factory default settings.

But my advice to you would be not to trouble yourself.
Why?
Because, you can install Windows Vista or 7 in about 15 to 20 mins, and most, if not all the drivers will be loaded into your system (the only drivers you would probably have to upgrade are the chipset and gpu drivers).
The rest are just programs of your personal choosing.

But even so, I'd rather make a clean install with the necessary programs of my own choosing with nothing starting up with the OS except the antivirus (MSE in my case) and then create a ghost image file, or a recovery image with a third party program.

 

Ok.. thanks for your reply and the suggestions..

 

Kallogan or someone else that bought a OBHD can you please link me to the right one for an 5930G. Thanks!

 

Hey there.. long time again.

Any of you guys tried installing Mac OS onto the 5930G? That's the newest thing i am looking for right now. Hope i get it. Btw, i bought myself a 500Gb HDD internal. So Expect Dual or Triple boots with loads of space.

So again, Any clue on the Mac?

 

@ ath007

I would like to upgrade my 5930 and I see that you have 4GB on yours, did you upgrade it or was it like that from the first? Is it single or dual module? and is it PC 5300 or 6400? I appreciate any responses and I'm sorry if I can't answer your mac question.

 

Been here since the beginning and no one on here has tried to install mac on this laptop as far as I know. I know it is possible but I think you should ask in the Mac OS forum here, they should be able to give you more help

Mine came stock with 4GB, 2x 2Gb modules
Hope this helps

 

thanx for the answer, do you have a 32bit or 64bit OS, if it's 32bit does the OS read the whole 4GB?

 

It came preloaded with 32 bit, but it only read 3.2 GB of that

I used the same key to install 64 bit all drivers are available on their site

 

Heya, anoyne still frequenting this thread?

I'm in the middle of a reinstall/clean install of my OS and I'm at the point of installing the necessary nvidia drivers for the nVidia 9600GT. Untill now I have been using the official 179.28 driver. It has served me well but now I'm wondering if there is any other newer driver out there which is better perfomance AND temperature wise. Is there anyone reading this whom is better updated on this subject then me?

 

Hey good to see some 5930 owners still alive

I'm no expert on drivers myself, since I don't have time to test every driver that comes out. However, according to others more knowledgeable than me I am using 197.45, decent performance and good temps

Although I think my low temps are more due to CPU/GPU undervolting than any specific driver

My max temps under load don't even hit 80C

Hope it helps, if you need any other questions I'll be happy to help

Edit - 1400th post w00t w00t

 

Agreed!

Thanks for the input, I might check that one out. I see that the most recent driver on nvidia.com is 258.96. Time flies.

 

Definitely check it out

Also, look into undervolting your GPU and CPU, it can have a big effect on temps, with no drop in performance

lost ~15-20C under load after doing the two
Let me know if you are interested, I can guide you

 

Much appreciated Rayyan because there are 152 pages of this threat and I am not that patient to browse through all of them. If you can give me some links to some guide for undervolting GPU with Nibitor I'd be very grateful. I'm starting to play or should I say playing again on improved settings some more demanding games like Crysis, Far Cry 2, Fallout 3 etc. and my temps are rocketing to over 80's (especially with Crysis) despite cooling pad and undervolted CPU.

I am still using Dox Optimised drivers 185.85 but I am not sure if newer will be better. I have to try those famous 197.45. Anywhere I can find proper version of the latter? Thanks.

 

Good to hear you have undervolted your CPU, that't the safest and easiest of "teh cooling mods"

Now the important thing is to be careful and follow every instruction to the dot, this is because to undervolt the graphics card, you need to flash the vBios. If this is done wrong, or doesn't work then you can brick your card and your laptops effectively dead.

Now I have done this ~4 times I think now, testing various voltages and if done correctly you should be fine.

First of all, I would say follow this excellent guide by DoX on how to make a bootable DOS disk, and hwo to get BIOS etc.
Read the whole thing it is good.
The guide

Now the important part is this
He tells you only how to overclock using the BIOS, not undervolt, but no worries as I will guide you through it
Once you have dumped your vBIOS using GPU-Z, save it in many locations and e-mail it to yourself so you always have it.
Now open it with nibitor, you should see this:
Click on the voltages tab

Click OK on the message

Now here you will only change the Extra voltage
As you can see the stock value for me was 1.05V, and I have it running fine on 0.89V
Go ahead and change this


Save the bios with a new name, eg. newbios and make a note of this
Now continue following the guide I linked above

Another important thing is the command you use to flash. Apparently there are quite a number you can use, however I used nvflash -A -j -4 -5 -6 [name].rom on each occasion with no issues.
[name] is what you named your edited BIOS

Hope this guide helps

For the record, I have also overclocked my card from the stock values to 580/900/1450 at 0.89V
I could probably go higher but I am to lazy to test more

To get an idea of this in real-world terms I will use GRiD as an example
Without any undervolting at stock clocks, this used to cause my temps to go as high as the mid-90s while playing with everything on high and 2xMSAA

Now I can play it with all settings at ULTRA + 2xMSAA, and temps never went past 80-85

Also, 3Dmark06 stable
Stock score : ~5800
Now: 6512 max temp GPU 74 / CPU 68


Thinking of running some game benchmarks also to see differences, when I do I will post them here

Hope this helps, and good luck

EDIT
You can get the 197.45 drivers from here
Follow the instructions in the thread, and you should be fine

 

Thanks Rayyan. Managed to squeeze 600/1500/950 at 0.89V with no problems so far. I will have to test it now on some serious graphics for few hours.

 

Good to hear

I will try higher clocks too

Also, bear in mind that the memory has no temp sensors so you shouldn't clock it too high, but as long as other temps are fine you should be ok

Keep an eye on them

 

I think you should definitely consider higher clocks if you're going to use your laptop for gaming. Got 3D Mark 06 running on loop for few hours. Max temps reached only 76C without cooling pad and it scored 6591 points (SM2.0: 2983, HDR/SM3.0: 2785, CPU: 1773). Let's see what temps it will heat up to on Crysis...

 

The only problem with higher clocks is that become unstable due to the lower voltage

However, I would still choose lower temps and a smaller OC over higher temps and a minimum performance gain

 

After few hours of Crysis I have to say I'm impressed with my latest GPU flashing. Without cooling pad it warmed up to max 77C (10 degrees less with Zalman) and there were no stability issues whatsoever. However there was some issue with the graphic card driver once (stopped responding or sth) but only for instant moment and not during any major activity. I will have to look into it soon to determine is it the driver's fault.

Any luck with higher clocks, Rayyan?

 

Hey guys, first timer here.. been trying to solve the heating issue with my 5930 so i googled for a bit and found this thread. Thanks to Rayyan i've solved my GPU and underclocked my CPU abit.. however when i compare my benchmark with Rayyan, my CPU scores 300-4++ points below his score.
So Rayyan, have you overclocked yours?

 

Got it up to 1791, but still pretty low compared to yours Rayyan.

With settings abit higher than Rayyans i got:
SM2.0 Score: 2928
HDR/SM3.0 Score: 2724
CPU Score: 1791

played starcraft 2 skirmish and it hit 97 degrees, but for the first time it hasnt lagged for 10 sec and then gone smooth for 2 min.. went perfectly fine now.

dunno why my laptop reaches such high degrees, but it has been a problem for me ever since i got the laptop(yes ive cleaned it ).

So now ive gone back to Rayyans settings so it doesnt reach 97 again hopefully.. will eventually buy a cooler for my laptop cheers guys for all the info yet again.

 

OrPhe0: the reason we got lower score is that we have the version of 5930G with P7350 processor (2x2.00GHz) and Rayyan has P8400 (2x2.26GHz).

If you undervolted GPU and still experiencing high temps I think you should open it up and clean it inside from the built up dust in the tiny space between the heat sink and the vent. I have to clean mine once every few months.

 

sorry double post and in the wrong acer thread too..

 

yeah i suspected that there would be some some dust there, but when i opened it up there were quite little.. havent stress tested yet but we'll see

 

hello i have an acer 5930g cpu P7350 GPU 9600GT and i would like to change CPU to T9900 20th best CPU while P7350 is at 95th place here take a look
Notebookcheck: Mobile Processors - Benchmarklist
but the P7350 is 25watt and the T9900 is 35 watt i dont really know what this mean my guess is its like a lightbulb if thats the case will the extra 10watt be a problem so i have to change the fan to? and the only thing ive changed on a lappy is the RAM and Harddrive. so my question if this is possible are there some guide how to do it?
as u can see on this link acer has a big lid back in middle of page says
"When we remove the bottom cover, we can see the CPU and the GPU, and also access the RAM modules. So, it should not be a problem to upgrade the RAM capacity."

have anybody changed CPU or and GPU on the acer 5930g? plz if u know a guide and if like i mentioned will it even work because of the extra 10watt on the T9900 CPU? dont wanna have a lappy that turns off because off overheating. seems the T9900 is the best change u can do cause the 19th place x9100 is even 10more watt's 44. and is it possible to change GPU when im already opened it and same q there witch is the best GPU u can put in without heat problems?

thx in advance for answr my questions and a guide would be awsome

 

Zeepax

The higher wattage on the T9900 will not really hurt the laptop in any way.
5930G's chipset and motherboard were designed to actually take up to 45W cpu's, and the only issue might be the cooling with the 45W cpu ... but I doubt it would be THAT big of a deal.

The 35w cpu can retain the current cooling since it will simply draw a bit more power.
The temperature increase will either be VERY VERY small or undetectable (I'm guessing the temperature increase with the 45W cpu would be also relatively small because there was barely any by going from a P(25W) cpu to a higher clocked T(35) and the higher wattage translates into higher power demands yes, but not necessarily higher temps as well.

And as for the gpu ... yes, it can be replaced with another one.
The new gpu in question has to be an MXM II type of card.
I think the ATI Mobility Radeon 4650 would be in that ballpark ... but in that case, make sure the card uses (G)DDR3 for dedicated ram (the DDR2 version is a weakened form).

Btw people, I might be able to get my hands on a Q9000 for testing in a few days to see if the socket in my laptop is compatible or not.
Mine (and probably everyone else's) came with PM45 chipset, and a Socket P, so there's a chance it might work with the entry level quad core (Q9000).

I'll provide more info later on and run tests if I get the cpu in question and manage to run tests with it.
I need it primarily for my 3dsMax.

 

Another small update.
Nothing yet on the testing of Q9000 (or Q9100) in my laptop, but will likely be able to take care of that this week.

Alternatively, I was inquiring on E-bay regarding the Q9100 and compatibility in my laptop.
It would appear the seller was under the impression that Q9100 would work in 5930G.
Of course, there are a tons of factors as to why they said so (quite possibly that they simply want to make a sale and turn a profit), on the other hand, numerous e-bay sellers answered similar questions about cpu support in other laptops and plenty of them said 'I don't know' or that they knew they weren't compatible.

So, at the very least it might be an indication the Q9000 and/or Q9100 might just work.

Remember that most of the higher end quads of this generation are NOT compatible with earlier Socket P slots ... but the Q9000 and Q91000 apparently in some cases are (I have no idea why this is so, but if they are indeed compatible, then upgrading to Q9100 in this laptop would be a SWEET power upgrade for both games and more importantly, in my case 3dsMax).

The mobo can probably handle the power requirements since it apparently supports the 45W core2duo extreme cpu's.
And since both Q9000 and Q9100 are 45W, it's possible the power requirements won't be an issue.

Either way, I can't wait to get my hands on one and test it out.
Will try to run a few benchmarks during the testing phase (provided the cpu is compatible).

 

Nice to know deks

I was thinking of upgrading the CPU a while ago, but I decided not to
I would only get a quad if it could be overclocked, since the CPU load is mostly from gaming, most of which are still optimized for dual cores.
Also, I decided not to upgrade anything at the moment, since I am saving up for a desktop

I will probably get one next year, after the first year of uni

I remember a discussion on this, and I think the quad might not work. I think it was more related to the BIOS not supporting quads or something as opposed to the power requirement.
I believe the discussion was in the earlier pages of the thread when the first owners were getting there

Anyway, good luck and keep us informed

 

I remember the discussion in question.
It was actually in relation to the socket not being the compatible part for the quads ... but as I said, we witnessed numerous inconsistencies before, so this one wouldn't be the last.

Everything down to the specifications matches the Q9000 and Q9100 in terms of compatibility (although not the higher end quads).
Admittedly, the BIOS is another issue (which was also a questionable aspect in terms of supporting over 4GB RAM, because the PM45 chipset in our laptops clearly CAN support up to 8GB).

Well, one thing is for sure ... we won't know until one of us tests these once and for all.
From hardware side of things, we have compatibility ... but even that can mean absolutely nothing if the BIOS wrecks the party.

However ... another possibility might be in asking for a modded Phoenix BIOS that would be able to recognize and use over 4GB RAM and of course Quads (if the BIOS itself is the issue for these aspects).

Sadly, I have yet to find 4GB DDR2 RAM sticks

 

Yeah, its good that someone is trying it
I would have but laptop CPUs aren't sold here unfortunately

What I would love to be able to do is overclock our laptops CPUs whether dual or quad

I found out the PLL for our notebook using the service manual but I'm not sure what is next. The free build of setFSB doesn't have that pll unfortunately

Edit - where would you get a modded BIOS from?
Maybe a modded BIOS can support overclocking?

 

In terms of setFSB, I think Kallogan mentioned that a certain aspect of our laptops is locked which prevents overclocking via setFSB (although if you could, please PM me the PLL just in case).
You can also forward the PLL to setFSB devs and see what they have to say (but I think they were the ones who told Kalloganthe bad news about the locked part in our laptops).

The alternative would probably be a pin-mod.
But I have yet to find a tutorial that was specifically done on our type of socket (or have I missed it?).
I've done a pin-mod before ... on my old DELL Inspiron 1300, years ago, and OC-ed it from 1.6 to 2.1Ghz (stable to this day and no measurable overheating was noticed).

I hope you realize that even a Q9000 at 2.0 Ghz per core would beat a T9800 in terms of everyday use.
I dunno why exactly, but I think that quads have a bit different set of instructions in contrast to dual cores which makes them inherently faster.
I would only notice a measurable difference in 3dsMAx when rendering because I'd have 2 extra cores and more speed ... but in tasks like games, I think there would be a minimal if no gain to begin with.

As for a modded BIOS ...
Not sure, but the Phoenix bios mods have been requested on this website in the Acer part of the forum.
Right here.

So ... it's possible someone might be able to mod the BIOS to see and use over 4GB at least and include support for Quads (if the present BIOS doesn't).

 

Cool
Maybe they could enable overclockign from the BIOS if possible

The PLL is RTM875N-606 VD
I think the setFSB makers now charge for the program and unfortunately I don't have Paypal

On another topic, my graphics card is power hungry
I got it stable at 590/900 for hours of 3DMark, but it crashed playing Arkham Asylum and DiRT
I'm thinking of raising the voltage to 1.0V and getting it to 600/620
I'll be going to the UK so temps shouldn't be a problem

 

Much thx for the info @Deks

 

Hello m8's...

Any info if someone did "unlock" owner PLL on Setfsb? I know is locked but still maybe some geek did a workaround... as far for the quad core, any one tested it? and does any one have a ati 5660 1gb ddr3 for test in an 5930g?


bguards mm8's

 

Maybe if you read some older posts you'll get your answers

And no has tested a 5650 yet, why don't you

 

sirs, will changing from 32bit to 64bit windows 7 makes the games much smoother?

i have 4g ram but the os reads 3g because i use 32bit win 7.
i love to play nba2k10 but i only play it at medium settings. when i set it at high settings, it really lags a lot.

I also undervolted using nibitor and overclocked using nvidia (followed sir deks and sir rayyan).

my 5930g is same with sir rayyan.

 

lemmor ... the lag in your game is strange.
I just checked the specs needed to run the game and our laptops should be more than capable to run it fine.
Then again, only the minimum system requirements were mentioned, and not recommended ones.

If I may ask lemmor, what version of Nvidia drivers are you using?
These can significantly affect performance in games, which is why I'm asking.

Since you asked if switching from 32bit to 64bit Windows 7 will makes run smoother ... the answer is: probably no.

Seeting the game on high might be pushing it a little ... but since we don't know the recommended specs to run the game at those settings, I cannot really be more specific.

I would check to see if the drivers are the ones behind the lag.
Also, what type of antivirus and programs do you have running in the background?

 

thanks for the reply sir deks.

nvidia version is 195.62. i tried doxs 185.85, played the game and same result on high settings on nba2k10.

i run spyware doctor with anti virus but i use gamebooster before playing a game to disable any processes that runs in the backround (like the anti virus).

if i would change my nvidia driver, what version of nvidia driver will you recommend for playing games?

thanks again sir deks.

 

lemmor,i had the same problem 1 month ago,do you have checked in the "Acer epower Management" if you have set all setting to the max?
like this

 

Since lemmor is using Windows 7, there is a possibility he/she is not using epower Management.

However, the approach is good.
You can check in Windows power options which power plan is selected.
Make sure it's set to 'High Performance'

 

Yeah also check advanced settings under high performance
Make sure nothing is being throttled, or underclocked

 

may i ask, how to get "Acer Epower Management" on win 7? never heard of that before.

Many Thanks for the reply guys.

 

Hi guys !!!!

I can see you're on duty as always ;-)
Still looking for a Q9000 or Q9100 upgrade, huh ?

Even if you can do it, our notebooks are mostly gpu limited so changing the cpu won't improve dramatically the framerate.

I sold back my P9600 and bought a P7450 for 35 euros. I almost only use my lap for computer maintenance so i don't need that much power. Though i kept a P version coz i love them.
I can say i have exactly the same framerate under Bad company 2 and LFD2.

Well, you better wait for a used sandy bridge lap now, lower consumption, better performance ;-) 22nm cpus 28 nm gpus for the middle of 2011, it's not that far.

P.S : SSDs FTW !

 

It's not for the frame-rate in my case.
:-D
It's mostly for 3ds Max.

And the thought of the possibility that I could put a noteworthy upgrade into this little 'beast'.

The gpus aren't that big of a deal ... they can still handle majority of stuff fairly well at our native resolution.

 

Guys use arctic silver 5! My t9400 doesn't go over 72degrees after 2 hours of sc2!!! now i'm trying going to' stock voltages.. For better power.. in the past i tried also the 1.16v the GPU is really more stable.. and i was able to reach 720/1800/1020 and 7676 3dmark06.. for better dissipation do a small hole in the back case under the GPU and cpu.. and connect the alluminium sticks in the back with the dissipator.. anyway the 7676 was Made without the back and with a cooler.. but it was time ago.. now i'll be' back with 1.16 and try to see the temps in sc2.

 

any successful attempt on updating graphic card?