Acer Aspire 5930(G) owner thread

Hey,

I am planning to replace my T5800 2Ghz CPU into P8800 2.66GHz. I wonder if this upgrade will help to boost FPS in gaming? ThanX

SarzzeR

 

edit :
I had a lot of questions, but reading half this topic, solved all,

New laptop drivers are available from Nvidia, did someone test it ?

 

Hello,

I read all the posts here! and I found a lot of valuable information.
I want to thank everyone who post here, especially A BIG THANKS to:

Deks
Rayyan
Kallogan
ProjectD

you guys are awesome and your posts have been most valuable



PS: sorry for bad English

 

Hi I just got a used acer 5930g: t5800, 9600m gt ddr3. I managed to undervolt the cpu, but I can't find a guide on how to undervolt the gpu (I found one guide, but some off the pictures with settings didn't work). Maybe someone could post a link to a guide or maybe write the best method? sorry if my english is bad I'm using windows 7 64 bit.

 

Lots of good info in this fine thread. Im disappointed to see that I wont be able to upgrate my RAM from 4,00 GB to 8,00 GB.

I was gonna use this laptop to simulate lessons for the MCITP program, but the required RAM is 8 to be able to simulate all lessons

I was gonna try to keep this laptop alive longer with upg CPU, RAM and HDD but I guess I'll haveto replace it now. So sad...

 

Has it ever been confirmed that a X9100 is compatible? From what I've read (in this thread), the 5930g can support a 45w chip, and everything else appears to be compatible. But no matter how much I search online, I cannot find a single first hand account of having tried it! (Queue someone providing a link, which would be very helpful ).

It looks to be around the £100 mark these days and apparently can be overclocked with Throttlestopper, getting around the locked BIOS. Is this true?

The lowly P7350 has served me very well, but I think now might be a good time to say goodbye.

Thanks.

Edit:

Also, has anyone tried a new CPU with 45w TDP and stock cooling? Is it adequate? Is it even possible to upgrade the cooling on the 5930g or is it custom?

 

Someone upgraded to a P9600 and the cooling was ok.
Don't know how an extreme CPU would hold up to be honest, especially not overclocked.
Mine got fairly hot on stock, and UV'ing it keeps it cool but don't know how an extreme would behave or even if it would work.

Not much we can do about cooling other than changing out the thermal paste or getting a laptop cooler.

I would put that 100 quid towards a new PC tbh

I love my 5930G but the GPU is just not up to the latest games, so putting money in it seems a bit of a waste tbh, unless you are upgrading a HDD which can carry forward.

Just my 2 cents

 

Thanks for that. The P9600 is 25w TDP so temps would be the same at the P7530... or not? Same TDP may not = same temps. Or perhaps that's exactly what it means. I don't know!

I think the 9600m GT is coping remarkably well with newer games. I was running tests with GTAIV (yes, not *that* new, but still a hog) and the GPU was not even maxing out at native res with draw, textures, etc at what I would call medium, but the CPU was maxed the whole time. Arkham Asylum runs with everything maxed. Overclocking is decent with it too. Apart from GTA dancing around the 12fps mark, everything else runs great (by my non-hardcore enthusiast standards). I only play using the normal screen so uber resolutions are not an issue/impossible. When I do buy a new system, I'll want to equal or outdo the next gen of consoles which won't be for another 2/3 years. I'll wait for that major push, which I couldn't afford or want to pay now anyway.

But anyway! Am I right to assume a 35w wouldn't pose much of a heat problem? I'm undervolted and have it on raised feet so my temps are really low. Even stuck on some old heatsinks on the plastic underneath today and that's actually working too!

 

Me again (sorry).

Based on the 9600m GT not being infinitely powerful, anyone have a rough idea at what kind of CPU speed the card would become the bottleneck in games? There's no point in me paying £110 for 3Ghz if the card can't keep up, and I doubt I'll ever look into upgrading the card... (hopefully not anyway.) This may be stupid question and differ from game to game. Going by recent minimum processor requirements for games I know I can run, it looks like 2.6Ghz would see me comfortable for a year or two.

I think I've narrowed the list down to the T9600, T9800, and T9900. But perhaps there's cheap 2.6 or 2.7 out there I should consider.

Thanks.

 

Hi, I've got an issue with my 5930G.

The system literally can no longer run a couple of simple applications at the same time. Displaying typical behaviour of high CPU usage, ie taking a long time to respond, typed sentences seeming to pause and then jump to the end, video noticably jerky accompanied by a crackling through the speakers.

The system had a fresh re-installation of W7 Professional done, which seemed to solve the problem briefly, but the symptoms returned yet again.

First thing i did was check task manager for something slowing the system. I suspected perhaps some malware or a trojan on the system.

This is where it gets weird. Nothing. If for instance theres just 1 browser window playing a flash game, it slows to a crawl. CPU shows 75-95% usage, yet nothing is seemingly using it. To go a little deeper I installed sysinternals process explorer to see a little deeper into what might be causing it. Again, nothing. Showing overall High CPU usage, but nothing appeared to be using all of the CPU.
Whilst something relatively intensive (playing video for instance) was happening, this process could clearly be seen using a percentage of the CPU, but nothing else seemed to being using the rest, however the CPU still showed overall usage of 90-100%.

After extensive tests (AVG) on the system it came up clean every time for malware or spyware or anything of that nature hidden on the computer. I am absolutely certain the system is trojan/malware free. I tried replacing drivers with newer versions from the manufacturers website as well to seemingly no avail.

The computer came with Vista and as a student a got a free copy of W7. The system has been running without any problems when I installed Windows 7 over a year ago and when it got slow I've done a simple format and re-installation of the OS. My father used this computer 2-3 weeks ago and i believe he got it infected by a virus so i just did a format again but then the problem, as described above, occured...even after the format. I've re-installed it 3 times now and updated all drivers etc. So what can be the problem?

Edit: The computer totally freezes for a while when unpacking stuff with winrar. Also the unpacking goes extremely slow. Another thing is also that, the speed on downloads in uTorrent changes as hell. It can be downloaded in 3mib/s and then suddenly drop to 100kib/s...just after starting a simple browser.

I have never had this problem before.

 

evensteeeven: I'm pretty sure it's caused by some processes going on in the background (CPU usage). Easy to catch those malicious things lately. Try Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware. It is free to use. I can bet it will find something that AVG couldn't (make sure you update it's database first). Have fun.

 

Hey guys, I've just dropped in to inform other owners of the Acer 5930G, that I'm still using my own 5930G, and that I just ordered a Quad Core CPU and 8GB RAM for my lappy.
I have a PM45 chipset, so according to Intel, the Q9100 is compatible (though there's only 1 way to find out for sure because we know of the artificial limitations often imposed by laptop manufacturers, or even Intel itself), and 8GB RAM should also work fine (the latter should work most definitely).

Both the CPU and RAM costed 195 EUR in total.
Might not be entirely 'cheap'... I was hoping that both would cost around 170EUR, but I suppose this will do fine.
Still, I find that particular 'upgrade' to be noteworthy since it will effectively double my performance in 3dsMax, plus 8GB RAM might also result in a noticeable increase across the board since others did mention that Win 7x64 seems to operate faster with 6GB and above when compared to 4GB.
Overall, if the CPU takes, then coupled with the RAM, the overall performance should 'jump' to a mobile i5 SB equivalent.

And, if I'm not mistaken, the minimum FPS in terms of gaming might also experience a boost due to more RAM and a quad cpu (nothing drastic most likely but 5 to 8 FPS probably - which coupled with our GPU undervolt and 20% OC should ensure continuous gaming via decent detail settings at 1280x800 - most games can be played with at least Medium to High in such a res with our gpu's despite their age).
Overall, I think the 195EUR is a pretty good investment (while also being cheap), and if the CPU works on my chipset (there's no reason for it not to, though I AM cautious) then I think those who might be contemplating on getting a new laptop, might decide to hold off (if you also have a PM45 chipset).


Will post updates when I get the CPU/RAM - should be in roughly 2 weeks time.

 

Hi Deks,

Wich kit of ram did you ordered for your 5930G.
I ordered thi one 2 days ago.
Corsair 8192MB 800MHz CL5 DDR2 - VS8GSDSKIT800D2

 

Mine is:
AXL 8GB KIT PC2-6400 DDR2 SODIMM 800MHZ 200PIN 2x4GB MEMORY

It has yet to be dispatched (most likely will be tomorrow), though the CPU is on it's way, and from what I gathered, should be here inside a week.


It will be exciting to FINALLY check whether the Q9100 works on my (pure) PM45 chipset (it's not a GM45/PM45... just PM45).
Well, it SHOULD, since the said chipsets were made for quads in the first place.

As I said... once I get the components and start testing, I will provide you guys with more info.
And if it works, you will likely be able to do the same thing in your own laptops (if you have PM45 chipsets).

btw ezsolt... where did you order your RAM?
I did mine on Ebay.

 

I ordered mine in a local pc shop.

 

Good to see we still have people using this laptop

Mine is still going as solid as a rock
Good to see you are finally testing to see if the Q9100. If I remember correctly, you were interested in it for quite some time

I haven't upgraded anything in mine, the only thing I would see changing is an SSD since that would bring alot of speed.

The laptop has served me well, but I feel that 3 years on its starting to struggle. Copes fine with everything, including the programs I need for my engineering course, like MPLAB, micrcap, matlab, etc

The only area its beginning to lag is the gaming area. For me, even with my OC most newer games are playable at 1280x800 at low-med settings. My main monitor is 1080p though and it doesnt look that good streched acroos so many pixels.
I doubt the CPU will bring about too much of an increase, since our GPU is also becoming weak.

I will most likely wait for some good coupons/deals on alienware or sager, or grab an alienware from the dell outlet for ~800 with a GTX580 / ATi 6990M that will keep things maxed for 3-4 years then at slightly lower settings for a few more years.

BUT, since funds are tight I will probably keep this for another year, but not get a quad-core.

Anyway sorry about the essay lol

Good luck with the updates, keep us posted

tl;dr : This beast is getting old, and struggles with new games, wont upgrade, will save up for a new system

 

Hey RaYYaN, long time no see.

Well, I try to look at the potential benefits (plus I'm curious to see of what this machine is able to do).
For example, in CPU heavy software such as 3dsMax that I use frequently, the boost from the CPU upgrade to Q9100 should/will result in about the same performance as a SB i5 2540M (which is over a double increase in what my C2D is achieving right now).

In regards to the gpu, the switch from C2D to Quad cpu's (in other laptops similar to ours but different models) did manage to increase minimum FPS in games (by about 5 to 10 FPS - in some cases more which amounts to roughly 20% at minimum - all on medium range gpu's of the 9600MGT era)... plus when you take into account the premise that I don't really play games that much (and if I do, I usually play those which are new and optimized that end up running just fine on my OC-ed 9600M GT) I think there won't be issues here on that front (ME 1 and 2 for example run fine maxed out for the most part as does Batman Arkham Asylum - the Arkham City is likely more demanding, but if that is the case, the the upgrades will probably help in that department).

Oh yes, and the jump from 4GB to 8GB should provide an additional boost in terms of caching at least because I know a x64 OS works better with 6GB and over compared to 4GB (how this might translate to gaming, I don't know - maybe it will, maybe it won't).

When you add those aspects, for my personal needs, the upgrade is excellent for a relatively low cost while gaining what might be considered a pretty good boost across the board.

The upgrade mainly affects CPU performance and of course more RAM both of which will reflect biggest boost in 3dsMax, and while the GPU might experience a 20% boost (primarily in low FPS numbers- but will probably result in better gaming anyway), coupled with a 25% OC, you essentially get 45% faster GPU than stock - which will probably produce some nice results at 1280x800 (I'm not expecting 'stellar' - just 'running decent' under 1280x800 without losing quality in games which are optimized - people might end up surprised to notice that CPU and RAM can in fact affect gpu's performance to a pretty good degree because both can limit it's bandwidth somewhat - at least, that was the issue in the C2D era ... not so much today).

The only thing afterwards for a potential upgrade would be to use a caddy option in the optical bay drive that would house my current HDD and use an SSD in the primary bay.

I agree the GPU's are getting relatively outdated, but even you have to take into account that a theoretical 45% (which includes an OC) performance increase is no small feat - of course I'll have to verify that theory and all - plus, numerous games today can still be played on our gpu's just fine on medium to high details - it depends on the games you play.

It's a cheap upgrade after all, so I wouldn't discount it right off the bat because for the most part, the performance ramps up to SB mobile i5 levels (the gpu not so much, but would come sparsely close) which are more or less still attributed with 'mid-range' systems of current era consumer tech.
For 200EUR... that's a bargain if you ask me (especially if it works) .

Now THAT was an essay.

Sorry about that.

 

I got the 8GB kit today, Corsair 8192MB 800MHz CL5 DDR2 - VS8GSDSKIT800D2.

I just want to confirm 8GB ram is working perfectly in my 5930G.

 

Yup...
There's no reason it shouldn't.

Any difference in responsiveness of the OS and all?

Oh btw... my 8GB kit was dispatched yesterday... I think it will arrive within 2 weeks time or so.
The Q9100 I'm expecting sometime next week.

In the meantime, I'll be getting myself Arctic Cooling MX-2 paste.
It's apparently the only one available here out of the pastes that are actually good.
Should prove more than adequate for the cpu/gpu paste.

Btw... application of thermal grease should be done in what... 1 small rice grain amount and then just press it with the heat sink?

 

"Btw... application of thermal grease should be done in what... 1 small rice grain amount and then just press it with the heat sink?"

Yes, it will be ok! I'm using their MX-4 paste. Only "1 small rice gain" as you wrote above.

"Any difference in responsiveness of the OS and all?"

The OS isn't as I'm using an SSD (That was a good investment.) but the autocad and the solidworks are runing "smooth" now.
Sometimes I'm "playing" FSX wich is run better with 8GB ram. It needs a lot of ram and a good CPU.

This is my laptop:

Acer Aspire 5930G
CPU: X9100 RAM: 8GB PC-6400 SSD: 256GB Samsung 470 OEM HDD: 1 TB Western Digital (WD10TPVT)(in a HDD caddy) GPU: GT 330M GDDR3 (Taken from a Toshiba laptop, modded by .NetRolller 3D) Chipset: PM45 (BIOS: 1.23) Cooler: Zalman NC-1000B OS: Windows 7 SP1 Ultimate x64

 

lucky...

GT 330M?
Nice.
Though, from what I can tell, it's not MXM2... so how was it possible for you to put it inside your laptop?

 

This is MXM II card. I think (I'm not sure) only Toshiba built this card in their laptop. I don't know wich model was that.
It was necessary to solder an EEPROM on it to get working in my laptop and flash an acer GT 330m bios.

 

Well, as far as I know, the 330M is NOT an MXM-II card... it's an MXM-A/3.0 one.

So... you soldered the GT330M chip onto a 9600M GT, or what exactly?

 

Just the EEPROM (where the BIOS is stored). There's a Toshiba HD4650 DDR3 as well, which needs the same modification in order to run.

BTW going to quad is not only about the chipset, but the BIOS as well. You'll have to have the proper set of microcode in there. I hope you know it, and I wish you good luck

 

"Just the EEPROM (where the BIOS is stored). There's a Toshiba HD4650 DDR3 as well, which needs the same modification in order to run."

Exactly.

 

Of course the BIOS probably has to have a proper instruction set of microcode inside so it can use the Quad.
I'm hoping that because the chipset is PM45 already, it contains the necessary microcode... if not... I'd probably have to find a Phoenix BIOS compatible with my 5930G that has the proper code (if an error occurs).
Though I'm cautiously optimistic... because I'm gonna try a Q9100.
It's a regular quad... and I noticed that a lot of people experienced issues when jumping from C2D to QUAD if they used an 'extreme' version of a quad (but regular ones - the non-extreme versions - worked).

Btw, I know that there is a HD4650 DDR3 which is MXM II, but that's not the issue.
My issue is that a gpu such as the 330M has a physically different connection interface (which is MXM A/3.0) and as such cannot fit into an MXM II slot.
I'm confused as to how a 330M chip was fitted in place of the 9600M.
Was the chip itself from 330M taken and soldered onto the 9600M card while removing it's old chip and then the EEPROM?

 

No, no, no! Only the EEPROM!

This is the GT 330M MXM II card from my laptop.

 

Ah I see.
Interesting.
Then Toshiba must have made the only 330M gpu which is MXM-II

That card is roughly what... 45% faster compared to 9700M GT (where my OC-ed 9600M GT is)?

 

I think 35-40% faster than a 9700M GT.

 

You know... for such a 'new' card, that's a very small increase... then again, Nvidia didn't really put up any noticeable increases on their gpu's performance until the 4xx versions came along.
On the other hand, it should produce less heat and be overall more efficient than 9700m gt.
I UV-ed my 9600M GT to 0.83V and OC-ed it slightly past 9700M GT levels... the chips themselves are identical, the 9600M GT is nothing but an underclocked 9700M gt.
The Q9100 (if it takes) might bump up the minimum FPS by another 20-25% in total due to larger bandwidth than my P7350... but even if a Quad won't work, then a T9800 or X9100 for example should do the same to the gpu (but I'm not that pressed in regards to the gpu because I'd rather the cpu takes so I can halve my render times in 3dsMax).

Btw... I was doing some more research in possible Q9100 support.
There's very little if nothing of help to be honest.
One way or the other, I won't know until I try it.

The good thing is I can get a refund for it in case it doesn't take.
Alternatively, if the Q9100 doesn't work, doesn't mean the Q9000 won't (as our chipsets and revisions seem to be compatible with Q9000 at the very least from other people's laptops who have identical ones from CPU-Z info)/
But even the Q9000 is potentially questionable.
Our So-Dimm DDR2 800Mhz RAM might be a limitation, but that particular limitation makes no sense to be honest due to the premise that X9100 works on a 1066Mhz as well (as does my P7350) - and I've seen a laptop that has a Q9000 and DDr2 800Mhz RAM (here: http://www.btotech.com/_e/17_Asus_Laptops/product/asus_g71gx-a2/Asus_G71Gx_A2.htm) and a Q9100 with DDR2 (HP elitebook).
Granted both of those were 17", but that shouldn't present too much of an issue if the hardware is essentially identical and housed in a larger space (which does more for the temps than it does for compatibility).

As I said, there is conflicting/slim information in regards to hardware compatibility which is why I have little to no option but to try it out.
And it's only a bonus for me (and the rest of you) if it works which gets me/us double CPU performance in CPU intense software such as 3dsMax (which i use on a regular basis).

ezsolt... what are your temperatures with the X9100 at stock speeds if you don't mind me asking?
Did you have to change the heatsink or have you kept the original one that came with your 5930g?

 

This is actually a GT 240M card. Nvidia only raised the gpu clock from 550MHz to 575MHz and renamed it to GT 330M. (The base card is the GT 230M) Back to 2009 ATI was far better than nvidia. They wont spent money to make new videocards against the ATI's cards, so they raised the gpu clock and renamed it.... this is the short story of the GT 330M. Check this please: NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

I kept the original heatsink, don't need to change it.
x9100 idle: 34-36C
under load: 65-70C (3DMark06, FS2004, GTA IV)
GT 330M idle: 38C
under load: 72C highest until now
I'm using AC MX-4 paste

 

Oh I know all about Nvidia's rebranding.

Smaller manuf. process with increased clocks...
Nothing new.
Though it has more unified shaders compared to my 9700M gt.

 

Ok guys/girls... small update:
Tried the Q9100 and it didn't work.
The laptop did initiate, but there was no POST, and then started restarting itself.

I'm gonna have to return the cpu (since I have that option and get a full refund), but not before asking if I can exchange it for X9100 (since that one works just fine as evidenced by ezsolt and the price difference is only £3.05).

Now I just have to receive my 8GB RAM.
That should arrive hopefully sometime next week.

EDIT: Spoke with the seller and he said it wouldn't be a problem to exchange the Q9100 for X9100 - yay!!!

Btw... I bought myself new thermal paste... ZM-STG2. According to it's reviews, it's a lot better than AS5, and from what I am able to tell, the idle temps are lower than what I got before with AS5.

EDIT 2: I still can't get the prospect out of Q9000 as a possibility out of my mind though.
The Q9100 has same voltages and wattage as Q9000, but it also has double of the following:
Processing Die Size = 214 mm2,
Cache = 12Mb
# of Processing Die Transistors = 820 million

The P7350 and Q9000 both have equal amount Processing Die Size and Processing Die transistors... except the Q9000 has 6Mb cache (whereas the P7350 has 3MB) and there's a 10 degrees C difference in Tjunction between the two (but then again, the P9600 for example has a 6Mb L2 cache and 105 degrees C of Tjunction).

It was said that the three-phase voltage regulator is required for Quads to work... but that it wouldn't be enough for extreme Quads.
So... is it possible that a dual-phase voltage regulator (the one in our motherboards) might be enough for an entry level Quad (Q9000)?

 

Sorry to hear that! So no way to get working a quad in our mobo. Sad news.
X9100 is a good choice, much better cpu than a P7350.
The ultimate upgrade for our laptops:
CPU: X9100
RAM: 8GB DDR2 800MHz
GPU: ATI4650 1GB (+125MHz overclock = ATI4670 check this link: ATI HD 4650 M96 DDR3 1GB MXM II Vedio VGA Card LS-5001P | eBay) (necessary to solder an EEPROM on it to get working in our lappy+flash an acer bios)
Drive: SSD + HDD (HDD caddy) + external ODD

Next month I'm going to buy that ATI4650 the GT 330M not enough fast for me.

 

As I mentioned in my edited post, I'm trying to determine if the Q9100 and above are the quads that won't work in out laptop due to double transistor and processing die sizes.
It might play a role in compatibility which still leaves the Q9000 as a potential option because it's processing die size and transistor counts are identical to P7350 and other C2D cpu's (even the extreme version).
That's the only thing that's different between the entry Quad and other Quads.
So... it MIGHT be a factor, but I cannot be sure.
I've posed this question to another poster here in the Acer section who does modded bioses.

Anyone else wants to take a shot with Q9000?

Ezsolt... why don't you try?
You can order it via ebay, and there are offers for it at pretty low price tags even when ordering internationally... just make sure to take one where returning the item in case it doesn't work is doable along with a refund.
I would try, but I'm kinda short with cash for the moment, and sending back the Q9100 will still cost me some cash for shipping, and I'm not exactly eager for a second round of 'cpu returning'.

Although, bear in mind that I'm thinking we likely have a PM45 chipset and Socket P that were not revised by Intel (which would allow for Quad core support), or were artificially limited by Acer in some fashion (which wouldn't be surprising).
The only way to eliminate the Q9000 from the game is to try it, and I unfortunately can't (at least not at this time).
I've decided to go with X9100 instead.


Btw ezsolt... when you first upgraded the cpu to X9100 did you have your 9600m gt inside?
If so... did your FPS rise?

 

Well, I sent the Q9100 back.
So sad... he shall be missed.


Ok... the X9100 should be exchanged and now the only thing left to do is... wait for it to happen.
I'm projecting that I will probably have the X9100 in about 4 weeks at the latest.

RAM is upcoming next week most likely.

 

Sorry for the late answer.

"Btw ezsolt... when you first upgraded the cpu to X9100 did you have your 9600m gt inside?
If so... did your FPS rise?"

Yes, it did. Only ~5%
I got only 4800-5000 3DMark06 score, with the original parts (p7350, 9600M GT, 3GB ram 667MHz 6-6-6-18, 250Gb HDD)
When I upgraded to (X9100, 9600M GT, 4GB ram 800MHz 5-5-5-18, 256GB SSD) the 3DMark06 score rised up to 5300.
Yesterday I got (X9100, GT 330M, 8GB ram 800MHz 6-6-6-18, 256GB SSD) 7199score in 3DMark06 (No overclock!)

"Anyone else wants to take a shot with Q9000?

Ezsolt... why don't you try?"

I'm thinking about it! First upgrade will be the ATI HD 4650 M96 DDR3 1GB MXM II Vedio VGA Card LS-5001P | eBay. Easy to overclock +125MHz and.... ATI4670

 

@Deks - Sorry to hear it mate, at least you gave it a go.

@ezsolt - Good luck and keep us posted

 

Yeah, well, someone had to do it.

Aside from that, if ezsolt can indeed test the Q9000 and see if THAT at the very least would work, then switching over to that would be preferable for me.

Btw ezsolt... regarding your 3dMark06 scores... I wouldn't put too much credence on that.
It's a benchmark after all. On the other hand, the biggest difference where the cpu change would likely be felt would be actual games... I think the difference there would be along the lines of 20% in minimum FPS.

 

Q9000 is just the same as the other quads.

It has two cores identical sized cores on the package with just as many transistors but 3MB of cache disabled on each core and only running at 2ghz (2.266ghz if you can pull off the IDA trick).

 

I realize that.
I'm saying that there's a chance it might be more forgiving than Q9100 though because some individuals on other laptops upgraded to entry level quad Q9000 while other quads (Q9100 and above) failed.

Doesn't hurt to try at the very least.

 

Indeed. When I went from T5750 (2GHz, 667MHz FSB, 2MB L2) to T9500 (2,6GHz, 800MHz FSB, 6MB L2), benchmarks aside, GTA IV's framerate was more stable, and 3-7fps higher.

 

Btw ezsolt... when you mentioned that you will have to solder the EEPROM onto the gpu in order for it to work... what exactly did you do to the chip itself before that (also, where did you get it) and how did you do it?

 

As you see in my signature: GPU: GT 330M DDR3 (Taken from a Toshiba laptop, modded by .NetRolller 3D). He is a nice guy http://forum.notebookreview.com/member.php?u=267027,
He can tell you what he did and how he did.

 

Not quite. It is JEDEC DDR3 (PC3-12800), not GDDR3 (graphics-enhanced version of DDR2, released years before true DDR3).

BTW, the mod is:
1. Add an MX25L512 or MX25L1005 ROM chip to the top left corner. (Mind the orientation - installing the chip backwards may damage the card! The corner lead that is shorted to the one next to it is Vcc.)
2. Replace the 15K resistor connecting the chip's SCLK and Vcc pins with a 36K one. Measure the removed resistor before replacement - if it is not 15K, you can calculate the right resistor as follows:
-If the resistance is 25K or higher, then no need to mod anything, you are done.
-If it is 20K, replace with a 45K one.
-If it's less than 20K, add 20K to get the right value.
-Round to the nearest available value (e.g. there is no such thing as a 35K SMD resistor, so use a 36K one

EDIT: I doubt you will see any increase from a HD4670 - the GT 330M is about level with the 4670. (Do not trust NotebookCheck on this one - they lump the downclocked GT 330M LE together with the true GT 330M.)

EDIT 2: This is the aforementioned GT 330M DDR3, MXM-II.

 

I don't wanne be someone who will kill Your hopes about quads in 5930g, but... taking on side bios,chipset or power regulators support, when we compare schematic 7738g which is quad compatible and schematic 5930g, it's quite clear why quads will not work in our laptops.
There're few pins in quad core cpu which have to be connected with motherboard (e.g with KBC) and they aren't in 5930g. That's at least showing schematics which I have. I think that this laptop was never intended to be quad compatible. If We look e.g on heatsinks and thermal menagment in it, ther's no way that it could cope with heat from c2q.

 

Figured as much (at least as far as the disconnected pins are concerned)
Pin issues aside (which appear to be our main problem with why the quad wont work)... if the 5930G can (and does) take a 44W X9100 which can be overclocked and retain manageable temperatures, then it most certainly could manage a 45W Quad. Heat in that regard shouldn't be an issue because the wattage difference is minute.

Hm... here's an idea:
Would it be possible to do a PIN mod on the socket and effectively bring power to the pins in question so a quad would work?
Admittedly, I've never tried a PIN mod to do something like that, but I recall trying one on my old DELL laptop for the purposes of OC-ing the cpu from 1.6Gz to 2.1 (and it still works - with no discernible heat problems).

BTW...
I'd like to report I just received my 8GB of RAM (Manufacturer: AXL, 200 pins - 800Mhz) and it works great in my 5930G.


Now the only thing left to wait for would be the X9100 to arrive (which should happen in the next 3 weeks or so - the Quad still has to reach it's original owner first).

Once I move back to London later this year or beginning of next year, I will probably get myself an SSD to serve as the main drive while keeping my current Hitachi as the secondary one in the caddy... and that will likely end my upgrade cycle for this machine.
I might consider getting the 4650 DDR3 version along with the SSD, but I'm not entirely certain... although, the 4670 is to my knowledge the same like 4650, just overclocked... and in total the 4670 seems to be about 40% better in games which should give about 10 FPS more compared to my 9700m gt.

Btw... I edited my signature to reflect the RAM upgrade, and of course, since my 9600mGT is overclocked slightly past 9700mGT level, I modified the signature to reflect that too.
For those who didn't know, the 9600m GT is in fact a downclocked 9700mGT (chips are identical, though mine is running cooler).

Current temperatures are 70 degrees C while gaming -can be lower (depending on the ambient room temperature).

 

Yet another update...
Just got the X9100.
Lol... I wasn't expecting it this fast... I thought I'd have to wait a while longer.

Anyway, I just installed it, and it's working nicely.


Congrats my 5930G... you are now maxed out in RAM and CPU potential (as far as I know).
Now the remaining thing to do would likely be a nice 100GB SSD in the primary bay and my Hitachi in the caddy.

Btw... temps are idling at the moment at 38 degrees C.
NICE...

Oh... I'm using Zalman STG2 cooling paste. It was cheap, accessible here and apparently works just fine.

Haven't had the chance to try out benchmarks yet... but I will likely fire up Star Trek Online and see what's the situation.

 

Congrats. BTW which version of X9100 you got? I'm looking for E0 (SLGE7/QHBQ) one, because it runs cooler and I'll try to pin-mod it in order to run in my older machine

 

I didn't really pay too much attention to which one I got...
Though I'm running ORTHOS stress test, and after about 10 mins, the temperature rose to about 85 degrees (it got up to 90, but it stabilized at 85 to my knowledge).

Ok... that was while checking the temperatures with RealTemp.
HWMonitor reports 85 degrees C at 100% load after 16 minutes (that seems slightly better but still nowhere near EZSOLT's temperatures).

EZSOLT, how did you achieve those low temperatures?
Did you undervolt the cpu?

I was thinking on undervolting, but Throttlestop is non responsive because ESI is locked (Acer locked the BIOS of course in that regard).
I tried CrystalCPUID and I don't think it applied the voltage alterations.
On one hand, the laptop crashed with insufficient Voltages, and once I gave it more juice (but kept them lower from stock) the cpu worked, but the temps didn't go down... and CPU-Z reported that the voltage is on 1.2 and not the value I placed inside CPUID (which was 1.15 I think - because lower ones were crashing)
Strange.
Then again, I used x64 edition of the program... I'll try the regular one to see if I can have more success.