Acer Aspire 5930(G) owner thread

Ok... I re-applied the paste to the GPU/CPU.

At first, the temps were within EZSOLT's range for idle on the cpu... but this could have been attributed to the laptop being off and all - although, as far as I can tell, it would appear that the temps will first start off higher (at 45 , maybe more, then go down to ezsolt levels).

Then I ran the ORTHOS stress test, and after about several minutes, the laptop turned itself off - which was odd to say the least because it ran perfectly fine before.
I wasn't paying attention to the temperatures at the time, but it's possible i need to allow the paste to settle in before doing the stress test - will keep you apprised.

EDIT:

I have an explanation for why the laptop turned itself off.
The TZS0 and TZS1 temps reached 105 degrees C (which is the safety cutoff point).

What do those 2 values stand for?
Is it the Northbridge?
If so... I just tried applying some thermal grease on it and placed a copper coin on top of that (because before it was solely covered with a sticky sticker of some kind - which I hadn't removed) - if that was the Northbridge - I think it was (the CPU like chip which is integrated into the motherboard - comes before the CPU and the heatsink is connected to it).

Now I'm running a stress test, and the TZS0 and TZS1 temps have reached a maximum of 95/97 and 94/96 degrees C (they seem to be roughly 10 degrees if not slightly more above my CPU temps. Although, I really don't understand is why - especially because the northbridge apparently didn't overheat like this before when I did the stress test.

I'll leave it like this for now and run stress tests in the upcoming day or two to see if leaving it be will make a difference (I'm hoping it will).

But these temps are jumping around like mad.
I guess it's possible I'm trying too much too soon. Will leave it off overnight and see what tomorrow brings.

CPU temps were more or less the same like the last time (up to 85 degrees C on full stress - but way too high compared to what EZSOLT is getting).
Ok EZSOLT... what did you do to get 70 degrees C under load temperatures?

Comments and suggestions please - oh and here's a pic to illustrate the difference in temps between the TZS0/1 and CPU0/1: http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss299/DeksRoning/NBR/HWMonitor.jpg

 

Hello peeps.
Ok... news report.
I returned to Throttlestop and surprisingly it worked this time around.
I was able to reduce voltage from 1.2V on 11.5 multiplier down to 1.1V (which seems to be a pretty good reduction overall speaking - lower voltages seem to cause a BSOD).

However, while temperatures during ORTHOS stress test (blend) showed reduced temps...
Playing ST Online yielded following results:
82/83/85 degreec C in space combat, then it rose to 90 degrees on a ground mission.

I don't get it.
Either the heatsink is not touching down properly, or the thermal paste was not properly placed, or I don't know what anymore... but reducing the voltage by that much should have produced some results - CPU-Z showed reduction in voltage btw on 11.5 multiplier (1.1V) - but it's as if that in the end, it didn't matter.

 

Here's an update:

It would appear that I was able to solve my temperature issues.

Namely, the paste was horribly applied before.
This time I cleaned out the gpu/cpu and NB, then re-applied the paste by spreading it on all 3 chips cores (gpu, cpu and northbridge) equally (so a thin layer covers the chips cores themselves instead of putting a blop and allowing the heatsink to spread the paste).

Orthos Blend Stress test produced 70/72 degrees C temperatures on the CPU (I ran the test for 26 mins).
I also did Furmark Burn-in test, which apparently held the GPU on 70 degrees C, (cpu load was at 50%)... so I ran Orthos Blend stress test along side it to put 100% strain on the CPU and gpu temps rose to 80 degrees C, while the cpu was at 85 degrees.
Northbridge appeared to be holding at 90 degrees.

Hehe...
I must say that these temps are much better than from what I had before.
They are stable (do NOT go up eventually) and lower from what I was getting before.

Btw, the CPU was undervolted with ThrottleStop by placing the 11.5 multiplier to run at 1.1V (I cannot go lower than that unfortunately).
Though I suppose I could set the 10.5 multiplier and reduce the voltage to 1.075V in total (tried it before).
That would produce a 2.8Ghz speed which should be more than enough for games that might stress the cpu to the max with the gpu (for 3dsMax though, I'll be using the 11.5 multiplier at 1.1V).

I will probably still do the copper shim mod on the cpu and GPU for the sake of it in order to try and reduce the temperatures even more.
Hopefully, the copper shim mod will result in at least 5 degrees lower temps (which would definitely be nice).

Oh and keep in mind I'm running my gpu at 20% OC (on 9700m gt levels).

Idle temps are basically identical to what ezsolt is experiencing.


EDIT:
I played ST: Online for a while today and new (stable) temps are:
CPU: 70 to 72 degrees C
GPU: 70 degrees C

 

Those temps are good now! Same like mine.
What is the timing of your ram 6-6-6-18 or 5-5-5-15.

 

Timings are 6-6-6-18.

I don't really care too much for those.
They don't really do anything for the laptop performance-wise.

 

Hi Deks.

I see you finally upgraded your 5930G Congrats.

Well, i finally sold mine 160 euros and bought a used Dell Vostro 3750 to an Austrian on Ebay for 300 euros with a core I3 2310M on board. Then i bought a quad core i7 2720qm ES 120 euros and replaced the cpu.

I chose the option of buying a notebook without discrete gpu on board to use it with an external gpu. That way no noise no heat issue, no throttling. And i must say it's awesome and completely evolutive.

I won't buy another lap anytime soon

 

My first post on this so helpfull forum. I read almost all the pages XDD. Thanks to Deks, Kallogan, Rayyan and others for give us so much light onto our Acer 5930G...

I probably have discovered what was happening with the problem that mentioned Deks:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/acer/306119-acer-aspire-5930-g-owner-thread-102.html
Sometimes the screen refuses to show graphics after cold bootup (or after suspend time) and I had to switch off (with the button or the lid) and on again until it recovered the image.
It doesn't appear to be a cable problem because it only happens on boot time and it recovers almost allways when I switch off/on the computer again, without touching nothing more.

I imagined that it could be a motherboard problem (bad quality components); at boot time the mobo is not giving enough power to the G9600M, refusing to show anything... so I thought "why not reduce the bootup clocks to the G96 to reduce the demanded power?". I tried, changed 2D clocks and bootup clocks (to all the timingsets) to 85/170/80 and it worked like a charm!!




If somebody has the same problem, and moving the cable does not solve anything, try with this. And if you can't see nothing to test the fix, first try to heat the card like in the following video (it will let you boot your computer for a while)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g-xt0CI&list=FLQxssN2ea8Dv9RQa47alNBA
In the first part you can see the same pattern in the screen that I was suffering allways that I turned on my lappy, going white after seconds.
I think it worked because the card was very hot, so it automatically reduced itself the boot clocks. I doubt that it worked the next time with a cold boot.

In the other hand, to enlarge battery life I have reduce all the clocks:


and I changed the extra voltage to 0,9V, too. Now it is cooler without loosing performance when I really need it!!

Cheers from Spain (excuse my english).
(I posted a tutorial in my blog: Tecnología para un progreso sostenible: Overclocking/downclocking de tarjetas gráficas Nvidia)

 

@Decks,

evening my friend. You seem very knowledgeable and I wanted to ask you something that has got me confused. Recently I decide to buy a ssd for my laptop (of course 5930g) but I cannot decide which one as I am not sure, actually, what I can put on.

The controller is the following: Intel (R) ICH9M-E/M SATA AHCI and though it seems to be sata compatible it is not exactly the same with the controlelers that Intel suggests in their website as sata-compatible.

Then I saw that Intel for example has evolved to SATA III with the models of its 520 line. So I read somewhere that if I place SATA3 ssd the laptop will not fully take advantage of it as it supports up to SATA2 (or 1??). So it will be better if I put staight SATA 2 and although it is older tech it will be faster.


I am sorry if my question poses a self explanatory answer for most people in here but I am utterly confused.

Could you guys help me a bit or point me to where I can read more??I would appreciate

 

Does anyone have test drive unlimited 2. I have it on steam and it plays at 23fps-35fps on medium I believe at native res. I was wondering if it weren't for my p7350 what fps you would get. Can anyone test fps and cpu usage. Mine is like 95%

 

Hi y'all.

First time poster but long time owner of an Acer Aspire 5930G with 3GB DDR2 PC5300, 250GB 5400RPM HD, Intel C2D P7350, GF-9600M-GT 512MB GDDR3, Win Vista SP2 32bit.

I have been using this laptop since 2008 and I'm still very happy with it, but in some games the 2.0GHz CPU seems to loose out a little on performance, so therefore I have thought of upgrading the laptop a bit so it'll run some of the games I play a bit better.
Also the CPU-fan rattles a bit even-though I've cleaned it a dusin of times, so it may need replacement too.

I've been thinking of adding a 2GB PC5300 stick to get 4GB ram total (yes I know it's on a 32bit OS, but still 3.25~3.5 recognized by Vista would be fine.
I've also been thinking of getting CPU (used, new is waaay to much) but I'm not sure what to go after to get a bit performance boost. I've been looking at P8600 and T9400 CPU's ?

As for graphics I'd like to find a GF 9700M-GT, but for 120~140euro used that's a no go, so I'll have to settle with the current GFX.

I've done a little math on eBay.
P8600 goes around €30
2GB memory stick around €25
New CPU fan €7
= €62.
I think that would be fairly acceptable to just give a little performance boost to this old laptop I really love.

 

I'm late the party but, i should say i have an Acer 5920G. it has been said that they GPUs for these older laptops are getting out dated, this is true. I got deal on mine with no OS and no hdd from my boss since it came from our laptop grave yard at work.

Also what " TYPE" of mxm 2.1 slot does it have?
MXM technical before 3.0

Mine is type II, I have a plan to fit at least a 4850 but, it takes some old fashioned home grown ingenuity though.

 

I upgraded the P7350 2.0GHz with a P8600 2.4GHz and added a 2GB Corsair PC5300 Ram stick to get 4GB total. Now the laptop will hold for a good while again.

 

Gripen90, the p8600 is a good choice as it gives headroom for the newer games while the p7350 is on the limit and not good for fraps but manageable.

However a 250gb hdd is to small and 320gb just about does. You should upgrade to a 500gb 7200rpm or something if you use fraps and want fast loading times.

 

Your t5250 is to slow processor even for a 9600m gt let alone a 4850. You need a t8300 or t7700 at least.

 

Yea I'm pretty happy with the P8600 cpu, it makes some of my older games in certain parts playable instead of unplayable. Especially Medal Of Honor Spearhead the first mission is really CPU intensive and fps goes down fast, but manages just to be playable.

 

I used 2 laptops with p8600 a 6930p and a e6500 and wish I had one of those cpu's in mine lol. Oh well when I upgrade it will feel incredible.

I may upgrade in 2014 when I should be able to get some money together by. I am now waiting for maxwell lol.

 

well if you want to upgrade to a p8xx aim for the p8600/8700/8800
they are all 25w compared to the 35w p8400 and the sse4 helps quite a bit

 

p8400 is also 25w, anyway p8600 are so cheap under £20 that it is hard to resist.

 

I installed driver san francisco and the game runs at 30-33fps on 1280x800 on high and records at 20-25fps sometimes goes down to the 16's.

Great driving physics. Just a question do you still have to keep the dvd in the drive all the time. I rarely used the dvd drive so if you have to keep the disc in then its no problem.

Anyone else got the game on pc.
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I will be recorded all of the gameplay, still am amazed how powerful the gpu is in this, imagine if the cpu was slightly more powerful then it would be very powerful.

 

Lads,
What driver are you using for graphics right now?
Tried to install nvidia's 301.42 WHQL (it should support GeForce 9600M GT) but getting an error message:
"The graphic driver could not find compatible graphics hardware".

I'm running Win7 x64.
It is connected to the TV set through HDMI cable and I noticed that some of the old drivers I had prevent sound to be sent to TV.
So, if someone has new driver and it works perfectly through HDMI please let me know.

 

Mine is 266.58.

 

Mine is 296.10 WHQL but Diablo 3 gives me the message that the display driver is out of date.

 

Hi and thank you for a good thread.

I've just installed a new CPU in my 5930g. Its the P8700 on 2x2,53 GHz. It runs a lot cooler than the previous P7350, but the different cores on the P8700 have a huge difference in max temp under load. Anyone got a clue?

This SS is taken while Orthos is stressing the CPU.

 

Try using HWiNFO64 instead of CPUID for more accurate temp. Both programs are free.

If temps still appear to be too high try cooling pad.

 

Hello folks.
Ah, the good old thread is still here.


Well, I just wanted to mention that my laptop is still alive and kicking after 4 years (just crossed this threshold on November 1st).

Given that the X9100 I bought was too hot for my laptop (the C0 stepping problem mostly - couldn't find the E0 one, and the potential ones I did find were rip-offs price wise), I decided to sell it and get myself the P9700 instead (right now I'm using my old P7350).
After that, I will probably get myself an SSD and use the current HDD with a caddy as a storage drive instead of the ODD.

The only real problem I see now on this laptop is the GPU.
9600m GT is going be a problem for playing some new games.
Mind you, I don't really play AAA titles in the first place (or mindless shooters), so that's not my problem - but Star Citizen is a game I would be interested in once it comes out and I'm afraid my 9600 probably won't be able to run it (at all, or at least with any degree of decency).

Meh... its not a great loss seeing how I WILL at some point get myself a new laptop with much better specs, but I wouldn't want to trash this one (not by a long shot).
I will probably give it to my father seeing how he mainly does Office work (and uses Autodesk/Catia occasionally - but for nothing too intensive).

One thing I was curious about though.
Would it be possible to replace the (back-light) display in this laptop for one that has LED instead?
Power efficiency could be increased like that at the very least, along with overall brightness/intensity.
Are there LED laptop displays of 15.4" (our display size) that have the same internal cable ports?

EDIT:
It would seem that its possible to replace the CCFL backlight with a LED backlight on an existing display (ours included).

Heh... I might even do this at some point just for the fun of it.

 

Hi all Acer 5930g owners! Nice thread.
I have 5930g about 3 years, and it works pretty decent. Fn key doesn't work and lan port isn't hold the cable, bc it fell while cable was in
I haven't read the full thread but It's quite interesting and interesting people hang here I spent much money on my lappy, my specs in the profile, I don't know how to fill the signature =(. But it's not full list, definitely.
I see that there are many people doing modding to their's 5930g. It' kinda cool! It's old but fully armed lap, modern games are not the obstacle. I think that I'll be using it year or even more.
2Deks, nice config! Your CPU is cool, mine is less cool a bit.
My last mod will be the DDR2-800 8GB. Could anyone suggest me in RAM choise, please?

 

This isn't about who has the 'coolest' laptop.
At least, not for me.

The reason I upgraded my laptop is because it had the potential (still does) and I enjoyed doing it.
Of course... I'm still not done with it as I would like to install a P9700 (over the next month or so) and later on, quite possibly an SSD.
As I mentioned earlier - the X9100 I have in my signature (have to edit that) was TOO hot because it had a C0 stepping.
My laptop couldn't keep it cool at all for long and I ended up underclocking it to 2.6GhZ and undervolting (which barely kept the temperatures in 'somewhat' acceptable range).

I will probably keep using my 5930G for another year or so as well.

Its a shame that a Q9100 didn't work though (it REALLY would have helped out in my 3d Studio Max - but I guess a higher clocked C2D such as the P9700 will have to suffice for now - and besides, having more cache helps).

As for upgrading the RAM...
I got my DDR2-800MhZ 8GB RAM (2x4GB) off e-bay. It cost about $100 with delivery at the time (4GB DDR2 sticks were never really 'cheap' - especially because by the time they became available, the industry was already using same sized DDR3 sticks which became standardized, and of course, due to their limited availability, the sellers seem to have jacked up the prices recently).

This is the cheapest so-dimm DDR2 8GB (800MhZ) I was able to find (well, I skimmed mostly):
NEW! 8GB (2x4GB) Dell Inspiron 1750 DDR2-800 SODIMM Laptop Memory PC2-6400 | eBay

I would also like to note that 800MhZ speed is not that big of a deal.
The difference between 533MHZ and 800MhZ RAM-wise is not something you will be able to notice in a significant capacity, HOWEVER, if you get the ddr2 8GB RAM with lowest possible timings, that would be preferable (regardless of MhZ).

 

I see.. many thanks. I noticed that stock RAM are capable to work on 667 MHz and it's the only way to OC the CPU as far as I know. I only once can do so, and my T9600 works on 3.5 GHz, but it soon throw me a BSOD when I tried to play games . SetFSB program helps with that. In other cases I get BSOD right after FSB speed was changed. I don't know what is the reasons behind that.
Yeah DDR2 RAM is expensive, but I think it's a good contribution. And I want to ask, is a DDR2-800 works on 557 MHz too? And the only thing I get it's a 8 GB of RAM? Or it works on 800 Mhz? And what timings are good, 4-4-4-x I guess?

 

Hi,

my screen has now got a blue line going down the middle... do you have a link to where you found the details to replace the screen?

 

I found details on replacing the CCFL backlight with LED's.
Here:
LED Backlight Kit Detail Page

A LED kit would cost about $80 (because you get the inverter, and other things) but I think its definitely worth it if you want a brighter screen coupled with lower energy demand and thermal output (still, if you are strapped for cash, then replacing the backlight itself would be cheaper seeing how you can get it for $19 on ebay cheaper or slightly more expensive depending on where you live).

As for replacing the screen itself...
You can get a new screen on ebay as well for about $90.
I would strongly advise you try to pinpoint the problem though (whether its down to the screen itself or just a single component such as the backlight).

 

Btw guys... I could use some help.

Just recently I noticed that on websites that have mostly white background (such as this one), the LCD screen flickers ever so lightly (not intensive in any capacity, but its noticeable).
Its not noticeable when watching videos, playing games or working in 3d Studio Max, but when browsing, the websites with white backgrounds or colors that should be relatively 'intense', the flickering is noticeable.

I think this might be due to the backlight or the inverter, although I'm not really sure which since both could easily be the cause (seeing the symptoms are similar/same for both).

Anyone have any clue?

 

Guys, have anyone managed to get Bluetooth working on Windows 7 x64?
I've been trying to install Vista x64 drivers but I am getting the message saying: No bluetooth device was detected.

 

Probably because you don't have a Bluetooth?

I have a bluetooth button, but the device itself is not inside the laptop.

 

Heh I was indeed deceived by the button. It's a bit of a shame we don't have it.
But than again it would probably be version 3.0. Version 4.0 that is in the most of android devices is not backward compatible...

 

Bluetooth 4 is not backwards compatible?
Could please clarify what do you mean by that?

Also... my backlight in the laptop screen apparently went out.
I can see the background image of the screen when an external bright light is hitting it, but otherwise, its very dim/dark.
I realize people might say its the inverter or the cables leading to the motherboard controlling on/off states, but, this is far more consistent with the backlight going out because the screen was already showing light flickerings (bright/dim flickering) that intensified over time, until one morning I woke up, turned on the laptop, booted into Windows, worked for about 5 minutes with the screen flickering as usual, until it decided to dim into darkness over a period of about 10 seconds (so it didn't went out just suddenly like someone cut the power).

I'll have to find a service to repair that thing, but I was actually looking into replacing it myself and/or getting the LED conversion kit - its more expensive, though I think it would be worthwhile... and if not, I can always get a new backlight (but the thing is, CCFL backlights are very fragile and could easily break, whereas LED's, not so much).

 

Read almost all thread. But even when Deks were failed with x9100, i still want to try x9000 instead and now can confirm that 5930g won't startup with it too. So now we know for sure that quad core is not for 5930g.

Anyway P8400 was replaced with T9800 (6M Cache, 2.93 GHz, 1066 MHz FSB) (E0) - which i bought for 85$, and it work good.
8gb RAM, SSD and laptop took a breath of fresh air. So 2-year more i will use it.

 

Dear Aspire 5930G users,

I've bought a 4GB memory module for upgrade. Before buying, I've tested it with memtest86+ and it performed well, without errors. So does it perform right now. However, I'm facing instability in Windows (7 x64 Ultimate), i.e. application crashing and BSODs, when using this module both solely and together with any of those I have.

The module consists of 8 banks 2Gbit (256MB) each, may it be the problem? I have the latest v1.23 BIOS, and even reflashed it once more from DOS to make sure there is no problem with it. I'm really curious about what is causing the problem, since memtest86+ is satisfied with the module, while I have a freshly installed Windows 7 x64 which works very well with my older modules. Thus, I ask for some advice here.

Yours sincerely,
FlashInTheNight86

 

Newbie Alert!

Hi All. Great thread you have here. Been reading bits n pieces of it here and there for some time now, but with 164 pages, sheesh, can't get thru all of it, so forgive me if I am going over old ground...

So I still have my 5930G from end 2008, same old spec. A great performer, as you all know, though let down, surprise surprise, by Vista... Never took the time to downgrade or dual-boot XP, which was my favourite OS along with NT, but Vista was on the PC when bought...

Your combined expertise would be highly appreciated in the matter of overclocking . Got Tomb Raider 2013 recently and tried tweaking here and there to get optimal performance from what is by today's standards a low-end rig, albeit a competent one. Still copes reasonably with these demanding games, and I've installed the latest so-called "Tomb Raider driver", 314.21 (still a beta, but seems stable) which somewhat improves performance over the 29xx series driver I had previously.

There is still annoying lag in parts of the game - and I can't bring myself to play below 4AA - so I thought that I would flash the 9600m GT for once, having never previously had the courage (bricking risk etc). I took the opportunity to undervolt at the same time... Started off with 600/1500/900 at 0.89V but started getting quite a bit of artifacting and the game slowed down to a crawl, giving me "driver failed but recovered" type messages.

So I put voltage up to just below stock (1.05V), i.e. 1.0V. Game started out working like a charm, very smooth, but then crashed to a dreaded "black screen", from which the only recovery was a hard reboot. This also happened on Deus Ex: Invisible War, which is a 2003 game, and it happened on occasion when booting up... Note that I use RMClock to keep temps down by means of the "Performance on Demand" profile, which drops temps by 5+degs. I have suspected there might be some interference with the overclocked setup, so I tried gaming without RMClock. Jury is still out on that.

Now back on stock settings from saved BIOS. Been flashing with latest nvflash.

So I would like to ask: anyone here successfully overclock and/or undervolt their GPU with some of the newest NVidia drivers? Anyone tried the latest Tomb Raider? How do I avoid black screens of crashing? Do I need to be sensitive to core/shader/mem clock ratios or summat? Which are the stablest drivers (still capable of playing recent games)? Have some of the successful experiences I've read about here been to do with some of you having a different, faster/ upgraded CPU to mine? I still have the P7350 (not overclocked).

Oh, Temps-wise: GPU in 60s, CPU in 70s - occasionally low 80s - when gaming.

Sorry for long-winded novel, hope someone can wade thru to the end of it! :rolleyes2:

 

Newest Nvidia drivers are a bit of a let down for our GPU's.
Namely... I have my 9600m GT Undervolted to 0.89V... however, I can no longer reach 9700m GT clock levels without the driver crashing.
Older drivers were working just fine on those settings... heck, I was able to overclock even the VRAM to about 900MhZ if I'm not mistaken without crashing on 0.89V.
I think there was a minimum I was able to reach, but it did surpass 9700m GT - however the new 3xx drivers are a MESS - they seem to like to crash a lot on any overclock.

I was just about to check the older posts I made in this thread (with several other people who posted back then) in regards to the drivers I used back then combined with the overclocks and undervolt.

Btw... I overclocked the GPU using 'Performance' tab in nvidia drivers (the performance bit has to be installed separately).
I didn't see the point in flashing the GPU's bios to those settings, however, 'Performance' tab might be the very reason behind the crashing (seeing how it might be unstable).
Hardware overclock (VBIOS flashing) might be more stable with new drivers - but I have yet to try it.

I'm going to browse the older posts in this thread to check previous/stable overclock settings I used on 0.89V - the drivers might be a problem though because new games might complain about them being outdated (still it shouldn't prevent us from actually playing games).

Stock 9600m GT clocks are showing their age... 9700m GT clock levels (with a bit more juice on the VRAM) produce very nice results actually.


EDIT:

FOUND IT!!!!
Page 141 of this thread.

My previous overclock for 9600m GT was:
Core: 625 MhZ (500 MhZ stock)
Memory: 900 MhZ (800 MhZ stock)
Shaders: 1550 MhZ (1250 Mhz stock)

The drivers I used back then were Dox 185.85
I just re-downloaded them and will try installing them and overclocking the GPU to those clocks and testing Star Wars TOR.

As far as I can remember, the above clocks were stable for me on 0.89V (essentially 9700mGT stock levels, except with a higher memory speed, producing more FPS) using DOX drivers.
Some people were able to overclock higher, but it varies from gpu to gpu, whereas the bare minimum that basically everyone were able to get were 625/900/1550 on 0.89V.

Here's the link to Dox drivers:
http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/24003-forceware-18585/

Nvidia 301.42 drivers seem to crash a lot with any overclock for me.
This is not acceptable.
I hadn't tried other 3xx drivers with overclocks, but if someone else has, I'd appreciate the info as it would be recommended to have relatively recent drivers just in case.

 

Mucho thanks for your comprehensive review, Deks. Good info. And glad to see peeps here still using the 'old' 5930G after so many years (well, 1 year in computing terms is an age, innit!).

I did see your previous posts about the Dox drivers - thanks for the link - but I thought that going back so far (nigh on 4 years, yikes) just for a successful overclock would be offset by the loss of capabilities of newer drivers able to exploit modern games technologies - and there have been unmpteen innovations in the last 4 years.

Still, worth a go on the Dox front, just to see what a successful overclock looks like - assuming my 9600m GT is as game as yours!

Actually, I realised that the RMClock was giving me lag in Tomb Raider, which now works quite reasonably without it at stock GPU settings; downside being that my CPU heats up to 84degs, apparently - not sure if some of these monitoring progs (RealTemp, SpeedFan) are overestimating by a few degrees. Possibly need a re-do of the thermal pasting, since I cleared the venting recently; never had a game push temps beyond 70s, including the likes of Skyrim.

By the way, how much does your T9600 CPU improve overall performance of your Acer, especially in gaming? I was thinking of a similar upgrade, these chips now being as cheap as, erm, chips... Hehe.

Thanks again for the gen. :thumbsup:

 

I think gaming performance increase was minimal with T9600 (though some minimum frame rates could be affected in a positive manner)... main reason I got it was for 3d Studio Max to reduce render times.

Still, I am running DOX 185.85 drivers right now, and while the OC did work, the drivers crashed regardless (several times).
Or at least, it appeared it crashed - I didn't notice drop in gaming performance like I usually would if a driver would crash.

Well, anyway... DOX also made modified 306.02 drivers (latest).
We could try using those and testing 9600m GT with overclocks.

What I would suggest is that instead of using software overclocking... we should overclock the gpu via hardware (video bios flash) to:
Core: 625 Mhz
Memory: 900 Mhz
Shaders: 1550 Mhz

I have to fiddle with the drivers though.
Dox 185.85 gives me rather laggy performance on Desktop and general usage in Windows 7 (probably due to various lack of optimizations that Nvidia never made) - but I think this could also be attributed to my sloppiness.
I left Physx and Performance installed after removing the drivers themselves (though I cleaned the registry)... should have removed everything and had a clean slate (nvidia really decided to put on more junk into the new drivers, didn't they).
Gonna try it now with 306.02 drivers to see what results I get.

Surprisingly though, the 9600m GT seems to have crashed more on Overclocks with 185.85 drivers.
My 301 drivers were working longer before they crashed.
Odd.
But as I said, there are several factors to take into consideration. Software OC seems to be a bit fishy because the Overclocks I did in the past were mostly done using hardware to my recollection.
Back then I decided to stick with stock clocks because higher clocks weren't needed, but some newer games really benefit from these overclocks as they get rid of the lag in some more dense areas.

 

Update.
Installed 306.02 Nvidia drivers modified by DOX.
Can be found here:
Geforce 306.02 - Modded - Dox's Customised Geforce Releases - LaptopVideo2Go Forums

Overclock:
Core: 600 Mhz
Memory: 900 Mhz
Shaders 1500 Mhz

Stable.
No driver crashes with the above overclock at 0.89V (been playing SW: TOR for the past 4 hours or so).
Used Nvidia Performance tab to overclock the gpu.

Can try higher overclocks on core to see if it will be successful.
Pros: 306.02 is one of the most recent drivers and seems to work amicably.
No slowdowns in desktop UI (unlike 185.85 drivers) and general usage.
Cons: None yet found.

 

Thanks again for the update - and driver experimentation. Actually, I have been using only hardware overclocks via nvflash (using the latest one). I've tried 600/1500/900, 600/1500/800 and then lowered the values by 50 again etc; I also tried Alcyonex's Core/Shader and Core/Mem ratios, because he had once said that using them stopped his system crashing. Nothing doing...

Hey, it occurs to me... Were you originally overclocking in Vista or XP? Might be something in that...

Anyhoo, I tried the 185.85 Dox driver and... Promptly crashed my game/ system faster than the 314.21 Beta! Basically, the Tomb Raider menu started up, then *kersplat!* with black screen and audio in stuck-record mode... *Arrrgghh!!*, to put it mildly.

Must be a difference in hardware between your sys and mine: CPU/GPU relationship (?), motherboard (?), memory (?). Else something to do with past driver installations, since you mention you've now experienced some unexpected crashes with 185.85 that you hadn't experienced back when? I wonder if my sweeps with Driver Fusion and Driver Sweeper actually are sufficient to mop up all NVidia software remnants. Else it's DirectX or something within the OS (updates can cause problems etc)? The wonders of Microsoft...

So, let me try giving the latest Dox drivers a whirl; intrigued but not too hopeful, as you can imagine...

Got rid of Tomb Raider, mind you; played thru almost 3 times; great game but on to the next one... Need the space to try out Assassin's Creed III, hehe... Hopefully it's more stable and less heat-generating...

 

i recommend not using nvflash and using msi after burner.

 

NvFlash has been reliable when it came to VBIOS flashing.

However, flashing a BIOS of any kind is not exactly a picnic because of a small risk that you could mess things up (if you don't know what you're doing or suddenly lose power to your laptop in the middle of flashing - which is easily mitigated with proper reading to solidify your knowledge of flashing the BIOS coupled with having a fully charged battery inside your laptop as well as being connected to the main power grid before you flash the thing).


In that regard... MSI AfterBurner would be the recommended course of action for experimentation - to be able to find most stable undervolt and possibly highest overclock before engaging in Flashing.

That said... my CPU temperatures are out of what... and I think I know why.
I seem to be in a habit of ending up with CPU's that have C0 core stepping (first with X9100 and not T9600).
I can still game at respectable levels - I think the CPU goes up to 80 degrees C (while undervolted at its highest multiplier to 1.05V) when playing SW TOR.
GPU is the same... 80 degrees C at full load.
But since I also have a heatsink which is basically used for both the CPU and GPU, higher temperatures on one can raise temps on the other.

I tried running Prime95 stress test on the CPU and Furmark on GPU (both simultaneously)... and eventually my laptop reached 105 degrees C (at which point it forcibly shut down).

Basically, it was the CPU that kept climbing in temps because its core stepping is C0, and the heatsink in this laptop is not efficient.

An E0 T9600 seems to cost about $100... which is a bit much for me right now seeing how I have a backlight to replace (I was thinking on using LED's instead).

But seeing that the games I play don't really stress the CPU to its maximum levels (but rather the GPU), then I really don't see the problem with temperatures rising above 80 degrees C.
That said, the 3d Studio Max rendering shouldn't be a real issue either because I'm not doing long term renders right now.

So I think I will stick with the current CPU for now, or at the very least replace it with P7350 (which remains at 70 degrees C undervolted when you stress both the CPU and GPU to the maximum) should the temperatures keep climbing.

I REALLY don't like C0 core stepping CPU's.
What was Intel thinking putting such garbage into the market?

 

Yello again, Deks & co!

Well, thanks to squeee666 for his MSI Afterburner suggestion. Allowed me to play around with different scenarios. Currently on software clocks of 560/1440/825 @ stock 1.05V. Can't get stable undervolt, not enough power for modern graphics scenarios it seems, at least on my touchy rig. Currently all stable. Anything much above the above clocks causes either black screens of crash or bloomin' nvlddmkm.sys "driver fainted then came around" errors. Boring.

What is it with NVidia drivers anyway - they actively preventing overclocking or summat?

Hardware clocks at stock settings; most efforts at overclocking crash. Wondering how other peeps here been getting such high, stable clocks AND undervolted too!

Couldn't try Dox's last Forceware efforts: they're 64-bit, I'm still on 'old-skool' 32. Instead, left 314.21 beta and went over to latest WHQL-certified (whatever that's worth) 314.22. Seems good.

I can play 's Creed III reasonably smoothly on "normal" settings using above clocks n driver, although there are slow-downs that I cannot explain oftentimes. Software overclocking seems to be involved. Sometimes I restart a game and there is inexplicable lag compared to a just-previous session that worked fine.

Temps still climb to 80s for CPU cores; cut-out temp is 90C, so not exactly chuffed. Can't be good for life of chip. (Maybe some of my black screen crashes were related to CPU spiking briefly over 90C, but not sure as system non-recoverable without hard reset, so temp graphs lost.) GPU in 60s to mid 70s, which is relatively cool.

As you say, Deks, heating issues are a feature of these Acer models anyway. Hate to think what it will be when the good weather turns up here in these frozen wastes (aka British Isles)...

Later!

 

Hi all , on my 5930g i can not install btf3 or tombraider 2013 or crysis3 ,I put the disc in but he don t read it !
i have DVD/CD-ROM ....HL-DT-ST-DVDRAM GSA-T50N ATA DEVICE
.....
with an external reader you could install one of these games?
5930g-t9400 253ghz-9600m gt 512mb-4gb ddr2-320gb hd-
...
I saw some screen 3DMark06 around here ... I made he the turn a few times , with 599/968 (set at random) did 70xx but only once ( on xp , now win7ult64 )
thanks in advance

 

Hello there,

So I got a stupid question - are there any vga upgrade options other than Nvidia Geforce 330M from Toshiba A500? Talking about mentioned VGA, does it produce more heat than stock 9600M GT, and do HDMI and D-Sub outs work?

Yours sincerely,
FlashInTheNight86

 

Hey. I know this is an old thread, but I still own this laptop and have a question. I currently own a Acer 5930g with a t5800 processor. I want to upgrade it to a p8700, because I can get this CPU really cheap. I found that both of these CPU's are socket P, however, intel's site shows that the t5800 is PPGA478, while the p8700 is just PGA478. Also, a site called cpu boss shows that t5800 is 478, but the p8700 is 479.. CPU - z shows that my chipset is PM45. CPU is Socket P (478), the motherboard's model is Eiger

 

The P8700 should work flawlessly in 5930G.
These are the supported sockets for P8700 (taken from Intel website)
BGA479, PGA478

As for Cpu boss website... I wouldn't pay too much attention to that. What I would pay attention to is Intel website information along with CPU specifications as they are listed on the website you are buying it from.


Enjoy.


Guys... I have a question... The GT 240M.
Would it work in 5920G?
My cousin has 5920G laptop in which his 8600m GT 'finally' died out (after about 4 years).
I was looking for alternatives and saw that some people had some success with GT240m in that laptop, and was wondering if there are other things that would have to be done to ensure compatibility (such as installing a modified bios, or something else)?

Also... would GT 240M work in 5930G?
Theoretically, it should, but I'm not certain whether its just plug and play, or does it also require BIOS modification?