Acer Laptop with Phoenix BIOS: BIOS MOD Request

SUUUPER
Now I will install bios then I will let you know how it works

 

kizwan what info about UEFI mod test? I can't PM...

 

It's for Phoenix SecureCore Tiano (UEFI) BIOS only. I have been able to read HII database but I don't know how to unlocked hidden menu yet. When I do, I need someone to test the mod for me since I don't have computer with Phoenix SecureCore Tiano.

• I need someone who have Phoenix SecureCore Tiano powered notebook.
• This person must comfortable with the idea using modified BIOS & know that it might bricked his/her notebook. So, he/she must know how to recover from it.

Even though the chances it can bricked your notebook is only 1%, it still possible & you should not treat it lightly.

 

Okay, well mine is the Acer 5560G and I remember you saying it has "Phoenix SecureCore Tiano (UEFI) BIOS".

 

Note: BIOS-Mods.com now has an InsydeH2O unlocks section, which may hold useful information about UEFI modding. (InsydeH2O is derived from the same Intel EDK code as Phoenix SecureCore Tiano.)

 

Thanks. Yes, I'm using InsydeH2O as reference. Especially the Insyde's BYTECODE.TXT report really useful.

 

Hi kizwan, bios successfully updated!
Everything seems to be ok, only Throttlestop is a bit confusing me..
Just studing the program..
Before running Throttlestop, I was thinking: why not try a q9200 and overclock it?
Then, after a few blue screens, I remembered why I will never buy AMD and never overclock a pc on which I work... instability!
Super coding work on my bios, thank you very much!

 

Intel's EDK2 is also a good source of information - a large part of the Insyde code (and likely Phoenix SecureCore Tiano) is directly lifted from EDK2.

 

Hi there, i just bought an "Intel Q9200 ES" for my Acer Aspire 8935g, and want to change from T6500 to that new cpu. My bios rev. is actually 3212 modded by kizwan for dual ida support. but what should i say the Q9200 doesnt work....
I also bought a new cpu heatsink with 45W to keep this cpu cool.
I tried already the q9200 in another notebook and it works.
So now im asking.... is it possible to mod the bios to get this new CPU to work ?
thx for reply
Knut

 

Not possible because it isn't BIOS fault.

 

Quad-cores use additional pins that are marked in the original Socket P specification as Reserved. If those pins are not wired up on the motherboard, then no BIOS modding will "unlock" quad-core support.

 

just bought a 9600m GT 512mb DDR3 and 2 x 2gb pc6400 ddr2 for my aspire 6930g. I am looking at getting a x9100 processor at the end of febuary. Do I need a different bios or will the latest available one of the acer site be sufficient?

 

hey!

i need some help. i currently use a intel x9100 and want to upgrade to the qx9300. i put the cpu inside and the notebook stops loading. i'm not able to check the reason but i think its the bios support.

is it possible to make a mod for me?

using acer aspire 8735G

Bios version Phoenix 1.07

http://global-download.acer.com/GDF...3=Aspire 8735G&OS=721&LC=de&BC=Acer&SC=EMEA_8

 

I think its the same like in my case Acer 8935g...... there is no Bios Mod available. So put your cpu back to ebay and keep your x9100.
I thought i can change my cpu too by an qx9200 but my nb doesn't start up.
What i dont understand is, that with the 8935g is deliverd with an q9000 which has an quadcore so normaly it has to work but he don't with an qx9200

 

No need BIOS update/mod for CPU upgrade. If you get microcode error after CPU upgrade, it can be fixed with BIOS mod. Even if you get microcode error, your notebook still can boot into OS & work without any problem. Before getting X9100, make sure to look around to find out whether the upgrade is possible or not. CPU compatibility on notebooks are depends not just on sockets or/and chipsets, other components on the motherboard play major role too. With my lack of knowledge on the computer hardware technology, if CPU doesn't work, I blame the voltage regulator on the motherboard.

 

hey!

i got wondering news of my problem.

i installed the cpu onto my board and switched of the quiet boot screen from acer.

the bios tells me the following:

CPU = 36 Number of Cores = 4 Speed 2,53GHz ... thats right ^^

i checked the bios for more informations.

CPU INTEL Core 2 Extreme Q9300 4x 2,53 GHz

Ok the BIOS is not the problem i think.

But im a little bit confused...
After the first startup today windows boot screen stuck. By the second startup i find out the System is restarting after BIOS message.

The CPU is accepted i see but why it restarts all the time?

 

Try enabled SpeedStep, CX States & Enhanced C-States in the BIOS.

 

can you tell me how i do this?

the menus are hidden

 

Already available here.

 

if i want to flash with WFlash (from acer package) i get an error

Flash BIOS fail. (0x4C5)

the BIOS flashed allready with the stock one from acer 2 months ago

is this the problem?

i flashed the bios in dos mode and the options you toled are enabled. i switch the cpu now an test it.

is there anything i have to change at the settings. my bios tells me that all settings are enabled in the cpu sub menu expect the last to one (i think it was something with the temperature)

 

ok i change the cpu but the problem is the same.

sometimes windows wants to start but it freeze during loading.

what should i do?

the options at bios you toled are enable.

what about the other options?

deep c4
hard c4
c6
no execute mode mem protection

these are enabled to

 

Try disabled SpeedStep instead.

 

Hi kizwan. tr86 bios story update:

Dual IDA worked fine and with throttle stop system became noticeably faster (and also blue screens became a nightmare) but..
A few days ago I came back to original bios.
This because using or not using throttlestop, temperatures increased of about 10 degrees, making fan work ALL the time.
That wasn't a great trouble in terms of heat (41 degrees during internet navigation vs 30 not dual ida) but I prefer a lot a silent pc.
It wasn't possible for me to imagine such a perspective until tried.
Have a nice day

 

i tested the idea but it has no effect

something else?

edit:

i disable CX-states and speedstep, the system runs up normal but it shows me only 2 of 4 cores! the cpu is correctly displayed at the windows system.

cpu-id tells me the same

 

Hi , this is my first post. i have an acer 5570z with t2250 i tryed 3 different bios from here but nothing. i tryed v1.3588 then 3508 unlocked for Acer 3680 and 3508 fixed for Acer 3680 only the last add me Advanced Menu in my bios but without Virtualization option. Somebody?

 

hey,

im little bit confused because i checked the cpu with the intel prozessor identification tool and her is the log:

Intel(R) Processor Identification Utility
Version: 4.41.20111201
Time Stamp: 2012/01/04 20:25:01
Operating System: 6.1-7601-Service Pack 1
Number of processors in system: 1
Current processor: #1
Active cores per processor: 4
Disabled cores per processor: 0
Processor Name: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Extreme CPU QX9300 @ 2.53GHz
Type: 0
Family: 6
Model: 17
Stepping: A
Revision: A07
Maximum CPUID Level: D
L1 Instruction Cache: 4 x 32 KB
L1 Data Cache: 4 x 32 KB
L2 Cache: 2 x 6 MB
Packaging: µFCPGA/µFCBGA
Enhanced Intel SpeedStep(R) Technology: Yes
MMX(TM): Yes
Intel(R) SSE: Yes
Intel(R) SSE2: Yes
Intel(R) SSE3: Yes
Intel(R) SSE4: Yes
Intel(R) AES-NI: No
Intel(R) AVX: No
Enhanced Halt State: No
Execute Disable Bit: Yes
Intel(R) Hyper-Threading Technology: No
Intel(R) 64 Architecture: Yes
Intel(R) Virtualization Technology: Yes
Expected Processor Frequency: 2.53 GHz
Reported Processor Frequency: 2.39 GHz
Expected System Bus Frequency: 1066 MHz
Reported System Bus Frequency: 1062 MHz
*************************************************************

 

is it possible that the bios limit the active cores? i don't have this option at the bios but it tells me on startup 4 cores and the intel tool the same.

but windows only 2

i checked msconfig --> only 2
i checked win7 system parameters --> only 2
task manager --> only 2
deinstalled cpu's --> no change

whats wrong?

 

Go to msconfig, startup, advanced button and un-check an option referring to number of CPUs on the system.

 

look above... i checked it already

its not logical to limit the cores if i want all or not?

 

One of the issues that people seem to be having is the inability to run extreme quad core cpu's when upgrading.
I would suggest you try with a Q9000 or Q9100 (or in a sense a non-extreme version).

kizwan

May I kindly ask of you to check if Acer 5930G 1.23 BIOS has support for Q9100?
Please go here:

Download

Select Notebook > Aspire > Aspire 5930G... and under BIOS tab just download the 1.23v BIOS and check.
If if doesn't have it, but an indication exists that it can support a Quad Core cpu, may I ask that you input the microcode for Q9100?
Thank you... my chipset is PM45, so from a hardware point of view, support should be there, just I'm not sure if the BIOS itself has support for it.

 

I don't know for sure. If motherboard support quad-core, then it can support Q9100. If you have the schematic, you can check whether quad-core is supported or not. The only thing that can prevent certain CPU from working is hardware.

 

Well, I have the MB schematic (Block diagram)... but it says nothing about which cpu's it supports.
You can see it here (dunno how helpful it may be):
http://notebookschematic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/5930G.png

Do you have any idea on where I could check for the necessary info?
My Service manual has a similar diagram (higher resolution of course - no table on the right side) but no info on which cpu's it supports (except for C2D on other pages of course which is 'official' info).
Alternatively, maxed out ram capacity is 'officially' 4GB per the service manual, while the laptop takes/works with 8GB (tested).

I know there's conflicting information.
I realize that individuals with other laptops had varying degrees of success.
For example... upgrading to Q9000 worked, but Q9100 and above did not.
Or in some cases only the extreme quad versions didn't work, while other 'regular' quads did.

In cases where the Q9000 worked but others didn't... what made it different?
I mean, it's still a quad core,... and apart from the higher L2 cache, higher transistor count and slightly bumped up clock speed, the Q9100 wasn't really all that different - lol... well, I can SEE the differences of course, but bottom line is, why would an 'entry' level quad work, while others (next in line) wouldn't?

Of course, if the Q9100 turns out not to work (I can always return it and get a refund so that's not an issue)... can one be sure that a Q9000 wouldn't work either given the above example?
Is there anything on the motherboard... such as the revision number or something that could indicate Quad core support?

 

anyone for Acer 5570z bios mod?..
only this bios add advanced menu , but without virtualization voice
Acer Aspire 3680 v3508 Unlocked By 1234s282 FIXED.rar
thank you!

 

i used a core 2 dual extreme X9100 before ... is it not the same like the quadcores but with only one die?

the bios detected "number of cores = 4" so i think it accepted the cpu

the qx9300 and the X9100 also the P7450 (i had before) are all penryn cores.
intel tells me the quad is supported by my board (chipset)

i think there is a hidden option at the bios that makes me problems. running the quad core before bios update with kizwan's modded getting errors. some options he unlocked had been helped for troubleshoot

is it possible to unlock the advanced settings for 1.07 bios from acer so i could check it

 

HI, i know this was a long time ago, bought a new HDD, cause i thought 8920g has raid support, found and downloaded your custom bios 1.16 and i cant find RAID function, search inside the bios all day since it makes the computer turn off after around 6 seconds, 10-15 if it has been powered of for an hour, dunno why thats happening.

Hope for your help, can pay cause i really want it. regards

Hope for your help, can pay if thats the problem.

 

Hi. I am wondering if it were possible to downgrade from Phoenix BIOS v1.09 to v1.08? I believe the upgrade I did to v1.09 is causing my laptop to freeze during every shutdown. It also has the tendency to freeze after I install updates and it goes to the blueish screen where it configures them before shutting down. At first I though it was 'cause I upgraded the ram from 6GB to 8GB, but I put the original sticks in and same thing happens. I have an Acer Aspire 5560-Sb653. Any help would be appreciated.

 

It all depend on what type of voltage regulator your notebook have. According to the schematic, it said your board have ISL6266A voltage regulator (core controllers). This is two-phase voltage regulator. For quad-core CPU to work, you need three-phase voltage regulator. And also three-phase voltage regulator is not enough for quad-core extreme CPU to work.

I believe when you disabled CX-states, it make the other two cores go to sleep. You might want to check whether voltage regulator on your notebook is sufficient or not for quad-core processor.

If RAID menu doesn't show up in BIOS setup menu, it means your notebook (on hardware side) doesn't support RAID.

Yes, you can downgrade BIOS.

 

Ok, how do I do that? I've been looking around trying to find where
I can download v1.08, but no luck.

 

what i could do?

i think games running faster than with the dual core extreme before, whats the reason?

 

I'm also can't find v1.08 anywhere. You can try request it from Acer.

I can't think anything you can do. It's hardware limitation.

 

Hey kizwan...
I have a problem.

I tried installing the Q9100 into my laptop, but upon activating it, it wouldn't POST (though I could hear and see it turning on) and after a few seconds, it kept restarting itself without displaying anything on the screen.
I took out the cpu and replaced it with my P7350 that was in before.
The results were same.
The laptop turned on, and after a few seconds keeps restarting itself.

Any idea what happened?
I was careful.
I took out the power cord along with the battery, pressed the power button to get rid of any residual charge, carefully removed the heatsink and cpu, replaced thermal compund, put everything back together gently (like the first time).

I have no idea what I could have done wrong.
Is it possible the CPU wasn't seated correctly?
I fear the possibility that something shorted out, but I have no idea what I could do to cause such a thing.


EDIT:

The cpu wasn't seated correctly.
I didn't turn the screw on the socket all the way to the end.
It gave resistance so I thought I'd rather not push it at first... but then gave it a go... and then it worked.
Or rather... the Quad didn't.
The laptop started, but didn't go through POST (BIOS wasn't loaded) and after a bit it started restarting itself.
I returned the P7350 back in and turned the screw all the way... the laptop works fine now (as it did).
Well, at least I confirmed the Q9100 doesn't work.
Looks like I'll go with the X9100 after all after returning the quad.

Tnx for your help kizwan.

 

Likely the power distribution circuit is unable to supply 45W of power to the CPU.

 

Possible... but the X9100 for example works in my laptop... and that's 44W.
Would 1W make such a difference?

Both the socket (P)and chipset (PM45) are compatible...
kizwan mentioned that the voltage regulator on my mobo is two phase and that a three-phase one is required for a Quad to work.
So, it might have been Acer or Intel that messed it up on that front.
Wouldn't surprise me either way - it wouldn't be in Acer's interest for people to upgrade -so an artificial limit isn't surprising, and Intel - if I remember correctly, I think the PM45 socket P underwent a revision and was released later on in same form and name, only then it included Quad support - so it's possible I received the earlier PM45 version of the socket/chipset - in which case, Intel should have named it something else and not mislead people like this.

That... or the Q9100 and above are incompatible.
The Q9000 might still work - it was noted that Q9100 might not work in some laptops despite chipset/socket compatibility, but the entry level quad (Q9000) might.
It's odd... but if Q9000 also needs a three-phase voltage regulator, then it wouldn't work either way - then again, the Q9100 does have double the amount of the following:
'Processing Die Size' (214 mm2),
'# of Processing Die Transistors' (820 million)
and 12MB of cache - the Q9000 has half of all 3.
Would those 3 play a part in compatibility by any chance?
Furthermore, my P7350 and Q9000 both have equal specs in those departments (except the Q9000 has 6Mb L2 cache and 100 degrees Tjunction - but then again, the X9100 is identical to Q9000 in those aspects, except the Voltage range - which seems to be higher on the maximum end for the X9100).

I'm just speaking theoretically here of course because I'll likely go with X9100 either way... can't help but wonder though.


Kizwan... what do you think?
Would the transistor size play a part in compatibility or would the dual-phase voltage regulator still be a problem?
Also... I found something regarding that dual-phase voltage regulator of mine:
http://www.xignite.com/xDemo.aspx?Service=XigniteReleases&Option=Content&Param=947510
First paragraph mentions both C2D and C2Q... so it's slightly confusing.

 

I think the reason might be because the X9100 runs at 3.06Ghz per core, while C2Q extreme runs at 2.53GHz per core.

Games are usually single or dual-threaded programs.
Very few take advantage of Quad cores.
In single or dual-threaded applications/software, the X9100 will surpass the C2Q extreme... while programs that are multithreaded to the point of using 4 cores or more, will result in the C2Q extreme being faster.

 

News article most of the time is inaccurate. I can't provide any review articles to you since they only mentioned three-phase & quad-core support in passing. Not in detail at least. Having more phases have a lot of advantages & one of them is stable output voltage. Two-phases voltage regulator insufficient in providing stable output voltage to run a quad-core processor. Remember, it needs to power four cores now instead of two cores on dual-core processor. I don't know, Q9000 might be more forgiving than its brother Q9100. You may try.

More phases, means more components & more components, means more cost. I personally think Acer doing this to reduced the cost. Two-phase is more than enough to drive dual-core processor.

 

what could i do for changing the number of phases? change the regulator?

 

It's likely not possible. You need to draw new circuit for additional phase.

I can't find schematic for your notebook but likely yours have three-phase voltage regulator. Unfortunately, three-phase voltage regulator is insufficient to drive quad-core extreme processor.

 

and if i clock down the cores?

 

Downclocking the cores probably won't help.
It's not about the speed per say... more along the lines that voltages are assigned differently, and the extreme versions usually allow for overclocking due to unlocked multipliers so they will have to handle the power differently most likely.

Why don't you simply get one of the regular Quad cores such as the Q9100?
You can try OC-ing that one, but I think it might end up unlikely due to the locked multipliers and all.

On the other hand... perhaps you could do a PIN mod of some kind that would automatically uprate your CPU clocks.
I think PIN mods are possible for PM45 chipsets.

 

some wrote that the q9000 is the end of all for that chipset because of voltage. the qx9300 an the q9000 are the same at the most settings. so if i clock down my cpu to the level of a q9000 it could be work

and i payed to much for this cpu, as student you cant buy every day a new one