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    Acer MXM Models and Cards

    Discussion in 'Acer' started by TehSuigi, Jul 4, 2009.

  1. Meaker@Sager

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    Check your wireless antennae cables and that cable could be the display? check a service manual.

    Best of luck with the mod btw KoI, will be happy to bench against you :D
     
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    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    got any benches?

    I've gone down to 850mhz core @ 1.07V for the sake of temps.
     
  3. .NetRolller 3D

    .NetRolller 3D Notebook Deity

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    Addition to the "Other MXM Cards" list: Asus C90s 8600M GT (512M DDR2) works in Aspire 5720G with no change to either SBIOS or VBIOS (though the backplate needs to be transplanted from a real Acer card).
    Funnily though, it is detected as an Acer-made 8600M GT - apparently the 5720G BIOS reports all cards as Acer-made.
     
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    TehSuigi Notebook Virtuoso

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    @.NetRolller 3D: Can you pass along a link or some screenshots?
     
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    .NetRolller 3D Notebook Deity

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    Here we go.

    Note: All cards report "Acer (1025)" as their subsystem vendor when installed in this machine. (This complicates the issue somewhat when installing an Asus 9650M GT, as it will report as an Acer 9650M GT MXM-II, which doesn't exist; so a modded driver INF must be used.)
     

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    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Yep, same happens with all cards AFAIK.
     
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    akbisw Notebook Consultant

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    Just dealt with the infamous AMD "MICRO LAG" issue. That took some time. now I can finally get some benches on here. I got Mafia II ready to go. Trying to get a hold of Crysis from a friend. will post tomo
     
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    Why not post the solution in case others run into the issue? :)
     
  9. King of Interns

    King of Interns Simply a laptop enthusiast

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    Once niffcreature parts with his card you are on :D I can imagine would be fairly close run thing!! In the GPU department anyways :p
     
  10. Batiatus

    Batiatus Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hi, newbie here! I have an Acer 6935, with nVidia 9600m GS with 512mb DDR2. What is the best I can upgrade to, where can I find it and how much is it?
    Problems I expect to face are power consumption, size, but most importantly bios/compatibility.
     
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    Best you can upgrade to would be an MXM type II 4670 (NOT MXM-A) DDR3.

    These are RARE.

    More common cards include the 9600M GT DDR3, or HD4650/4670 DDR2.

    Either you can get the cheapest would be nice.
     
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    Batiatus Notebook Enthusiast

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    How many people are going to post that without reading the listing?

    Look again. Not compatible with Acer.

    If you want the technical reason it has no bios chip on it.
     
  14. Batiatus

    Batiatus Notebook Enthusiast

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    But is this the type of card I'm looking for?

    And what about the 9700?
     
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    Yes thats the shape of the card that would physically fit.

    9700 is MXM III IIRC.
     
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    Batiatus Notebook Enthusiast

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    9600M GT of the 6930G should work in the 6935G (but if it isn't GDDR3, then it is not a big upgrade). Probably also the 9650M GT from Asus Z97V/C90S, but that one is DDR2.
     
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    The bluray drive should work, you should even be able to swap bezels to make it sit flush.
     
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    I would say definitely.

    It says tested in 5920g which has exactly the same unlocked mxm socket as the C90. If it works in 5920g it works in the c90 and probably vice versa
     
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    akbisw Notebook Consultant

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    I dont see any personally. Wait for Meaker to confirm.
     
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    I say go for it.

    8935G is MXM-A and has the cooling AFAIK.
     
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    Hey all,

    How much do the 4670 GDDR3 cost, if/when anyone can find one?

    @King of Interns - I'll take yours if lizzarddos doesn't!

    Cheers
    Noddy
     
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    Acer Aspire 5739G is not listed anywhere. I'm planning to upgrade to a GTS 250M when I get m laptop. It should be possible, right?
     
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    downloads No, Dee Dee, no! Super Moderator

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    It is listed on the first page of this thread actually.
    No one tested it in 5739G but GTS 250 worked in 5935G (also MXM-A)
     
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    Oh - I saw that typo-ish mistake. I ment the GTS 250M in a 5739G. But you answered on that as well! :) Thank you, I'll try this, and post feedback here.
     
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    Not exactly - if it works in an unmodified 5920G, it will work in a C90, and if it works in a C90, it will work in an 5920G with MXM-fixed BIOS.

    Quite likely the following is also true:
    Any card that works in a BIOS-fixed 5920G will also work in a BIOS-fixed C90 - however, I have not yet had a chance to review the MXM structure in the C90's BIOS, so no BIOS fix exists for the C90 (likely none is needed either).

    Also, the card in question AFAIK comes with an Asus BIOS, that also happens to work in Acers (similar to the 9650M GT 1GB DDR2 cards designed for the Asus Z97V).

    BTW, this is also the card with real (non-G) DDR3 I talked about earlier.
     
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    Cards that work in the C90 plug and play guaranteed are the ATI 4670 and 3650 both GDDR3 and GDDR2 models. The asus built Nvidia 8600M GT again both 256mb GDDR3 and 512mb GDDR2 models. Also with some tweaking the 9600M GT 512mb GDDR3 works fine.

    The 9650M GT and GT130M also work however even more fiddly than the 9600M GT to get running at full speed.

    Hopefully soon I will get hands on a 4850 so will see how it likes mxm III cards :) space permitting which is very tight (modifications complete lol) I don't see too many reasons why it should't post presently...

    In relation to the 5920g with fixed mxm bios I didn't know about that so thank you for correcting me. I thought the 4670 was plug and play with it like the C90
     
  32. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    It is PnP. MXM fix is for 9600M GT and few other nVIDIAs.
     
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    akbisw Notebook Consultant

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    Get the 6770m. It is MUCH faster than 250m and ANYTHING ON THE MARKET (Unless you have :wink: $$$$$)
     
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    I have no idea why everybody keep suggestion me a ATI card. But, I'm most likely going for the GTS 250M, if I can't find any other nVidia card, which I do like more :)
     
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    Because the 250M is a joke in comparison.

    It's like your saying:

    You: "I want car A from brand B."
    Us: "Car X from brand Y is more efficient, more powerful and card carry more"
    You: "I want car A from brand B."
    Us: "Why?"
    You: "I want car A from brand B."
    Us: "Car X from brand Y is also cheaper and newer"
    You: "I want car A from brand B."

    Ok, go with the GTS250m, pay more for a card that draws more power, is half as fast and is not going to get any performance updates from Nvidia.

    Just be aware you may be embarrassed by the 6770M owners when you compare benchmarks.
     
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    He obviously prefers Nvidia. However I think ATI makes superior cards especially after the 8600M GT fiasco!

    On the subject however if the card is ;

    1.)Cheaper
    2.)Faster
    3.)Cooler

    why on earth would one not get it ??
     
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    Classic "driver support" - argument incoming ? :D

    I never understood the ati/nvidia hate, had cards of both companies and no real problems!
     
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    No both make decent cards that are compareable to each other but many of us were affected by failing 8600M GT myself several times and ATI came to rescue. I still would buy nvidia if they release a well priced high performing part that competed against ATI for mxm 2.1 II which won't happen lol
     
  39. tuηay

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    I have used 2 diffrent laptop with ATI cards, and for some reason, nVidia is the thing for me. As I for some reason never bought a AMD CPU... I can really live with 10 less FPS, rather then a ATI card.

    However, no point continue this, another question, does new cards still be relased to MXM A? Or is this just dead and GTS250M is the best nVidia card that Acer will ever fit?
     
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    It could well be the difference between 15fps and 30fps or 30fps and 60fps.

    No one wants to put an Nvidia chip on MXM-A it seems.
     
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    I still want car A from brand B :D
     
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    MXM 3.0 is far from dead! 560m coming and rumors of a new ati card. While these are the B variant we can only hope Manufactures decided to build new/fasters A cards.

    Seems nvidia A cards are a generation behind (6770M = mxm , 555m = non-mxm)
     
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    Is there an easy way (visually) to tell the difference between DDR2, DDR3 and GDDR3? Where the same card is available with these.

    Sorry if this has been covered before.
    Cheers
    Noddy
     
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    Read the markings off the chips.
     
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    i would like to upgrade my laptop cpu because dont have much money for a new one and last time i have bough a nvidia 9650m gt into my acer 5920g.
    there is a t8100 in it. first question x7900 or x9000 compatible with acer 5920g.
    second questions which has the best performance/price ratio? t9300, t9500, x7900, x9000? the the fast answers!
     
  46. triturbo

    triturbo Long live 16:10 and MXM-B

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    I bought a SLAQJ which didn't even past the POST screen, got refunded, but that's not the point. Than I've read over the web that X9000 IS compatible with our lappy. At some point I could try SLAZ3, but for now my money are going elsewhere.
     
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    9600M GT on 5920G confirmed WORKING (though with throttle issues, I'm working on it) by u6b36ef in the x920G vs. 9600M GT topic.
     
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    Yes, this one is probably the M60j card (although my part lists show 60-NTSVG1000-Axx for the M60j, and this one is 60-NW2VG1000-A01). AFA<!-- I hate word filtering-->IK it was never actually tested in a non-Asus machine - what was confirmed is that the M60j does not take a 3rd-party MXM card.
    I checked the M60j's SBIOS, and the reason for its pickiness is the complete lack of an MXM structure.
    So, the M60j's MXM card might well work in an Acer.

    Compare the Asus Z97V, which II<!-- word filter sux -->RC also has no MXM structure, but its 9650M GT DDR2 card is one of the most compatible cards on the market.

    EDIT: Also, it should not be hard to mod an MXM3.0 GT240m VBIOS to look for a v2.1 MXM structure, and then flash it into the M60j card. (Contrary to what some people said in the M60j thread, the card does contain a BIOS chip - you can see it in the picture, and the M60j BIOS doesn't contain any embedded VBIOSes.)
     
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