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    Acer MXM Models and Cards

    Discussion in 'Acer' started by TehSuigi, Jul 4, 2009.

  1. kelpi

    kelpi Newbie

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    link for the vbios for the 770m below
    bios version 62.94.1c.00.00, renamed as BIOS.ROM so should ready to load with nvflash.

    There are a couple of entry's for 770m drivers on nvidias website. use the blade series 770m drivers.

    I can confirm this bios works with the 6935g but there is always a risk updating your bios and I accept no liability for any issues that might arise from anyone using this - if you dont know what you're doing then leave it alone!

    download with mediafire here

    *edit* - adding gpu-z screenshot
    gpu-z screengrab.jpg
     
  2. .NetRolller 3D

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    Thanks!

    As it turns out - this BIOS is actually older than the ones already known, dating back to 2008-03-13. (62.94.3B.00.06 is from 2008-06-25, and 62.94.7A.01.06 is from 2009-05-14.)
     
  3. kelpi

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    do you know if the other vbios's will have any problems with the 6935g, it would surely be better to update the bios?
     
  4. Meaker@Sager

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    We've had 5739G, 7738G and 8935G users all reporting success with the 6770M.
     
  5. kelpi

    kelpi Newbie

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    so the 62.94.7A.01.06 vbios should work fine with the 6935g, (HP version by any chance?) do you have a link to 62.94.7A.01.06?

    Oh thought i would mention too, the fx 770m seems to hold a stable overclock at 620mhz core and 1550mhz shader with virtually no heat increase on load only went up about 3 degrees
     
  6. Lynnyx

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    I saw in the topic start you can succesfully upgrade an Acer Travelmate 7720G with an 8600M GT 256 MB. Would it actually be a problem to upgrade it with an 8600M GT 512 MB?

    Thank you for your help!

    Signed,
    First time laptop technician :D
     
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    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    I would imagine it would work, ofc smaller amounts of faster memory is better than larger but slower amounts (eg DDR3 > DDR2)
     
  8. Lynnyx

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    Thx vm for the help!

    Doesn't that depend on the game or application? Or is 512MB just to much for this card to be useful?
     
  9. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    A 100% bandwidth improvement is just better.
     
  10. Lynnyx

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    Clearly that's a correct statement :p.

    Edit: I found a cheap one with 512MB on eBay. Just 101.98$ shipping included. Think I´ll go with that one. Can't find the ones with 256MB cheaply though.
    Edit2: Was thinking about a 9600M GT too, but it's kinda expensive.
     
  11. marcy1987

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    Hi boys. I was reading this topic since it started, now it's time to write ;)

    I own a quite old Aspire 5935G with standard GT130m (DDR2), and I wanted to install a HD4670m (so I could keep switcheable graphic instead of GTS250m)


    BUT... :D now I've found a really good HD6770m (link: Buy HD6770m, del M14x 6770M 1G DDR5 MXM3 VGA card, CARD, del M14x HD6770M 1G DDR5 MXM3 VGA card at Aliexpress.com) in your opinion, is the upgrade possible?

    5935G => MXM-A OK
    HD6770m => MXM-A OK
    bios issues => ???????


    PS. if you read comments on the bottom page, you can see that someboy menage to install the VGA onto a 7738G :)
     
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    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Yes this upgrade is possible :D I have tested several cards in the 5935G, it's bios is pretty lax afaik.
     
  13. lee480

    lee480 Notebook Guru

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    Hello, my laptop has a MXM slot. It current card is 9300M GS which is a MXMI card. Is it possible to upgrade to a 9600M GS. And notice 9600's voltage is twice as much as reuqired for the 9300. Will it work?
     
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    If you only added a laptop model... So we could check it...
     
  15. lee480

    lee480 Notebook Guru

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    Its a Acer extensa 4630. i checked the list lng time ago. The list does not have a definite answer.
     
  16. Meaker@Sager

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    Voltage? no. Power, maybe.
     
  17. lee480

    lee480 Notebook Guru

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    So does it support??
     
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    Could not say I'm afraid, would help if you took photos of the GPU.
     
  19. lee480

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    Here you go
     
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    Looks like it will be fine physically but holy hell in a handbasket thats a LOT of thermal paste and its all around the core (the shiny bit in the middle), it's only supposed to be a small blob or very thin layer on the core itself.
     
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    Works the hd6770 witch the acer aspire 5739g??
     
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    I think you are mixing up the SBIOS and VBIOS. You flashing that vBIOS would have nothing to do with the 6935g (or at least it shouldn't).

    Can I see a picture of your card??
    I have several HP fx 770m which do not work in acers as far as I know. And, I don't believe they will work with that later vBIOS, so be careful! I think the correct vBIOS you can use depends on the board layout and memory type.

    Another vBIOS ending in .00? I think that is an ES card, BTW.
     
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    The 6770M is about twice as fast as the GTS250m.

    What else do you want us to say apart from it worked for someone else? Perform official validation? Better get your wallet out.
     
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    hello i have an Acer Aspire 4920G that has the Radeon 2400XT in it. Is the 3650 the highest-end available for upgrading, or are there more powerful gpus that can be put into the 4920G? thanks alot!
     
  26. .NetRolller 3D

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    @lpjz290: ATI 4xxx-series cards should work too, just like the Asus Nvidia GT 240M.
     
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    I've sent an enquiry to MXM-Upgrades, but they told me they tried testing the 3650 on their 4920G and it failed to work. I am worried that if I get the 3650 or even the 4xxx-series card, the same thing would happen and my money would have gone to waste. I've seen a YT vid of a guy who successfully got his 3650 to work on his 4920G though, so i'm confused.
     
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    I have a acer 5920g fitted with a 8600gs, would it be possible to upgrade to to a gt260m; many thanks in advance. mark :cool:
     
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    No it would not.
     
  30. mach77

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    So the best video card upgrade i could achieve with a 5920g is a gt240m or HD6770m i assume this is correct ? :confused: thanks in advance. Mark
     
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    No the best is either a 9600GT DDR3 or an HD4670 DDR2 or DDR3 (rare)

    Your laptop uses an MXM II interface where as the cards you have been talking about use an MXM 3.0 type A (gt240m/6770m) or MXM 3.0 type B (GTX260M).
     
  32. .NetRolller 3D

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    Well, at least one Type II variant of the GT 240M is known to exist (Asus's card, but confirmed to work in the 5920G). Also note that the 9600M GT requires a BIOS patch, otherwise the machine will not POST.
     
  33. Suety

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    So, I got ahold of an HD4670 DDR3 (supposedly) but I'm not able to get any video with it installed in my 6930g.

    I figure either a MB BIOS issue, or a vBIOS issue with the card, but I'm not finding an Acer vBIOS for the card, and I'm using the most recent BIOS from Acer for my motherboard.

    Any thoughts or advice? I keep deciding to give up, then figure I've probably got a few more things to try.

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    You can tell by the markings on the ram if it's DDR3 or not.
     
  35. Suety

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    Thanks, I'll look into it.

    Do you think changing my BIOS will help getting it running (I'm using 3238) or is it more likely a vBIOS issue? I don't know what machine it came out of, but there aren't too many options as far as I know.

    EDIT:

    Yeah, so the chips appear to be Qimonda 1gb DDR3 modules, and there are 4, so yeah, looks like 512MB DDR3.

    I've been thinking maybe I should go back to the 3121 BIOS version. Think that would help? I know I could just experiment with a bunch of stuff, but I'd rather not do anything unnecessary, and I really don't want to brick the card since if I can't get it working, someone would probably like to have it.
     
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    Does your machine have the MXM structure issue? Have you looked into it?
     
  37. .NetRolller 3D

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    "3121" and "3238" sound strongly like it's a Quanta OEM/ODM machine (just like the 5920G *cough* *cough*), so it could well be an MXM structure error. Run mxmparse on the decompressed BIOS to see if it is indeed the case.

    (Among all the Acer OEM/ODMs I've seen so far, Quanta is the only one who is not an MXM-SIG member.)
     
  38. Suety

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    Thank you Meaker and .NetRolller 3D. I wasn't aware of the structure issue, and I'll check it out. I've got a 9600m GS running in it now though, so that's probably not it right? I'll definitely take a look though, thanks for the lead.

    I'm leaning more towards a whitelist issue in my system BIOS, especially since there seems to be something hinky going on with the BIOSes offered from Acer. Similar BIOS versions for different models (though almost identical hardware), and different BIOS versions in different parts of the world, where it was sold under the same model number but with slightly different hardware. I've been tempted to flash with a different model's BIOS, but I haven't gotten that desperate/adventurous yet. Hoping maybe I can take the support from another model's BIOS and add it in, or remove the whitelist altogether, but I really don't know what I'm doing and learning as I go.

    Thanks for the tip and the help, both of you.
     
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    Again, there is no known use of whitelisting in ANY Acer machine. (5920G was thought to be *blacklisting* the 9600M GT, but it turned out to be an MXM structure problem.)

    And having a 9600M GS run fine means nothing - only the 9600M GT is known to be always picky.
     
  40. Suety

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    Could you help me a little with this? I'm not sure what I'm doing here. I've run mxmparse but I'm not sure if there's a log dump that I'm supposed to be able to access, or if it's just not working because it's a WPH file? Do I have to edit it to a bin file first? I can't find any documentation on mxmparse.

    Thanks much.
     
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    You will need to decompress the BIOS image first, using Phoenix BIOS Editor or andyp's Phoenix tool. (WPH and ROM are both compressed internally.)
     
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    It has been verified to work earlier in this thread. Someone even posted the extracted VBIOS image (for those who have an original Asus M60j card, which AFAIK comes with an incompatible VBIOS).
     
  44. Suety

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    Well, I've used Phoenix BIOS editor and run mxmparse on every .bin I can, and I'm not getting anything. I'm probably doing something wrong, but I don't know enough to know what that is.

    I've done it with what I could get out of the .exe from the Acer site, as well as the BIOSMOD.WPH file from this board's BIOS mod thread, and mxmparse runs, it pauses on the bigger .bin files, but I'm not getting any report or anything. Should I be looking for a .txt file somewhere with the information?

    Sorry, if this is obviously all too far over my head to be worth the effort, I'm fine with being told that. Heck, it could just be a bad card for all I know since I've never been able to get it working. The symptoms do sound similar to the MXM structure issue, but does it make sense that I get the one long, two short beep error message if it's an MXM structure issue?
     
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    @Suety: Did you get .bin files when extracting with Phoenix BIOS Editor? That's weird, you should see files named like "BIOSCOD02.ROM" and similar.

    If mxmparse prints nothing, that means it found no MXM structure. (The complete lack of an MXM structure can easily prevent a card from booting, so it might be the problem in this case.)
     
  46. Suety

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    I did get the BIOSCOD02.ROM files, etc. In fact, I know I got that one specifically because I believe I read you posting somewhere that that is typically where the MXM structure is found. I did something with it, but now I don't remember what. Probably tried running mxmparse on it and getting nothing, but I really don't remember. I'll try a few things on it later today again and see what I find.

    If I open the BIOSCOD etc. roms with PBE, will I get a .bin file I can run mxmparse on? Should I extract it with something like cbrom?

    Thanks for the help. I really appreciate the time you've spent guiding me.
     
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    Nope, the BIOSCOD, etc. files *are* the decompressed BIOS files themselves.
    If none of them makes mxmparse print out anything, then your BIOS is missing an MXM structure. Send me your first 1MB of memory dumped using RW-Everything in PM (address range 0x0-0x100000), together with the original BIOS you use, and I'll try to produce a mod.
     
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    No it doesn't support it.
     
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