Acer MXM Models and Cards

How can I find out if the card I get has got the Acer vBIOS? Do I need to buy it and try it out or would the box indicate it. I am just asking this as I am not planning to bring my laptop on holidays with my (it's just to huge) and there is no way I am going back to Bangkok just to return the GPU.

Thanks again in advance

 

Hold on--BOX? As I know it laptop GPU's won't come in boxes..desktop cards do.

Well, ordinarily if you buy through eBay they indicate what system the card was pulled from, and that clues you in on what vBIOS is in there. Otherwise you could ask the buyer for it.

 

where abts in Bangkok did you get the part? was it relatively cheap?

i am planning to go over next year.

 

They gotta come into something!!!! lol

I am planning to buy it on Bangkok (if a fair price).

PS: I haven't gone yet, but I'll let you know if anything interesting...

I am getting a blu ray drive and a hard drive. I know the hard drive I need has a SATA connection, but I am not that sure on the Blu Ray. Some websites state that it is a PATA... but some other say it is a SATA....

 

Here's the info on the 4670. Somethings a little screwed up with this card. I like how my card has no memory.

 

Just means that GPU-Z doesn't support it fully yet.
The vBIOS info is what we're after - it's clearly an MSI one.

Not sure if the Acer vBIOS would be compatible.

 

So if i got a copy of the Acer vBIOS for their 4670, it's definitely a bad idea to phlash mine with it?

And here's the Acer vBIOS

 

Can you upload your vBIOS? I want to see something. After the vBIOS version there is a button which would dump it. And no, don't try flashing your ATi vBIOS with nVIDIA one. You would have better results flashing it with some of the Acer's HD46xx cards (which is equally doubtful)

 

I'm not stupid enough to flash ATI with nVidia. And which vBIOS did you want to see. The ATI or nVidia?

 

Here's both.

 

Sorry, didn't want to insult you.

Thanks. I'll check something and I'll let you know what I have in my mind

 

Sorry, I get misunderstood often. People assume I'm disgruntled or something when I don't use smileys. But I'll be looking forward to what you have in mind. I would really like this card to work. Still have a thing troubling me though. It can play Crysis on high with 8x AA or very high with no AA fluidly but after about 10 minutes, I got artifacting that ended as soon as I shut off the game. VMT also gave negative results. I'm wondering if this is part of the defective batch I've heard about. I'll try installing the new drivers they released recently and see how that goes.

 

I don't know if you've seen this yet, but seems here Undertaxxx has finally found a DDR3, MXM-II version of the HD 4650, and even an Acer one--apparently coming from an Aspire 6930G. I've been googling which country wields a 6930G with an HD 4650 but as of yet my googling skills have yet to impress me.

Can anyone confirm this? I'm getting giddy. lawl

 

Yeah i'm skeptic too. Didn't manage to find a 6930G with a 4650 on-board. Could it be a replacement card provided by Acer for these notebooks ???

Cause the 6930G-944G32BN concerned is originally sold with a 9600M GT on-board.

 

The 6930G was indeed sold with a Radeon HD 4650, but the 1GB DDR2 version (that's where I found it, remember?)
That, and the part number on this page correlate to the regular DDR2 1GB version.

 

Yep there must be a mistake. i bet it's the DDR2 version and the website made an error.

 

I just swapped the vendor of my GPU to MSI and it still shows Acer in GPU-Z (and still boots in case you wondered). Funny thing is that according RBE, my default vBIOS is ATi, not an Acer one. I really don't know why GPU-Z shows Acer as a vendor all the time. You can give it a go though, maybe it would work, but I wont hold my breath.

I guess it is, exactly same problems has had half of the EX625's owners.

 

Wait, I'm confused... What did you do again? Also, Crysis will run on high with the new drivers but what perks my curiosity is that playing Crysis on very high cause really wonky graphics like square clouds or black skies or the polygon reference and placement lines to pop up. Should I consider this normal? And should I consider just one to zero errors from vmt to be good since it states that the 4670 is not compatible with the test?

 

The original DDR2 4650 (which I bookmarked in hopes to have one in the future lol) was removed from the site, and then this popped up. Hmm.

Can't we like contact ATi themselves or something and ask if they do supply MXM-II format DDR3 cards of this series to Acer? Or am I thinking wrongly?

 

Hi there people!

I'm quite new to the forum but i have a question and i hope that you can help me a bit.

I have an Acer Aspire6930ZG with Ati hd 4570 in it. Can I plug in a Nvidia GPU like 9600gt or I will have to update the bios ?

I had pretty much difficulties finding any driver for my GPU ... There is nothing mentioned about this model on acer.com and absolutely nothing about a model of 6930 family with this video card as well ...

Thank you in advance!

I would appreciate if someone has any information about modifications/upgrades on a laptop like mine.

Other specs:
Intel T4200 @ 2,0 Ghz
4 GB Ram @ 667 Mhz

 

Welcome to the forums bro!

Well, it's pretty much a given that any upgrades going into your laptop would first warrant for a BIOS update.. Actually even if you won't be upgrading and as long as there are updates from Acer, it's generally a good idea to update.

About the drivers--here's what was posted by TehSuigi on the 1st page with a 4570:

So perhaps, you might be able to use the drivers for the 6530G's 4570 in your unit. AFAIK GPU drivers are not unit-dependent anyway.

 

I did this:



As I said, still boots, but in GPU-Z it shows Acer as a vendor like before. It's the same with my original vBIOS - according to RBE it's ATi, not Acer, but still shows Acer

BTW Can you try to underclock it just a little bit, and try again with Crysis?

 

1. Don't edit Hardware string Windows Device Manager needs it to id what driver to install.
2. Don't trust GPUZ too much it has its fair share of detecting bugs.

 

Okay!!! GOOD NEWS!!! The consistent shutting off isn't due to Acer on the 4670! Its due to it overheating like retardedly. Using a copper shim, I managed to enter Windows (Thank you K-tron) BUT, it idles at 82C on battery power.... Any ideas? Also, I found out the hard way that there aren't any 64-bit drivers for this card.........

SO THERE IS STILL A POTENTIAL UPGRADE PATH FOR ACERS!!!!!!!!!

 

What is MXM-A?

 

Oh the 4670 WORKS!!! IT WORKS!!!! but oh, the load temps suck so much. It tops at 94C after a minute of Furmark. And the temps are horrible without drivers. And there's a lack of drivers too..... I had to use a mod tool for drivers.

Also, because of that metal plate, I can't fit the 9600M GS in the MSI, any ideas on how to remove that?

 

Okay, after testing out a couple games, I can safely say it could work. It could work but its not working well on mine. Games become unplayable after a couple of minutes if you unload and load more than one game. Crysis is unplayable in general and older games like BF2 can push the temps to 82C from 53C. That and there are lines appearing and disappearing on windows. Towards this point, its either, A) Not fully compatible, or B) I got shafted by MSI with one of the defects.

I still say it has to be something driver related.

 

EchoShade - do you have one of those laptop cooling docks?

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=207_142

Im thinking its more due to heat than a hardware fault.

 

I've been monitoring the temps, they're unlikeable but doable. The main reason why I though the 4670 was incompatible was because that it shut off everytime after about 5 seconds. Today, I decided to leave the bottom of the case off and I noticed how hot the air was getting. Using a copper shim, I was able to get better heatsink contact and boot in and found out that without the proper drivers, the video card runs far too hot. After installing the modded drivers, it had the same temperatures as the card would have if it was in the original laptop while idling. Only problem is that the MSI released VGA drivers which fixed the problems that were occurring on the Acer while lowering the max temp and those are only available in 32-bit. While it's true that the heat is what's causing the games to become unplayable later, using unofficial drivers also adds to that. Besides, I doubt that a laptop cooler can cut off 20C can it? It works perfectly in the MSI.........

 

Congrats for the upgrade You gave us hope. *Looking at my signature* Do you consider selling this GPU

So, now everything runs flawlessly, or you still have problems with some games?

BTW NZXT Cryo LX is pretty capable cooler. My Notepal Infinite is good for -10ºC

 

It works only in the MSI since I can't find a 64-bit version of the VGA drivers they released recently. While it will work in the Acer, its does a poor job after several games due to it hitting the temp threshold at 90C too easily (something that the new drivers can help with). You get severe graphical glitches and artifacting for every 3d app but not in windows so you have to restart the laptop to get rid of those for that session. The MSI had graphical glitches and artifacting but not to the degree of what the Acer could put out but all that was solved when I installed the new drivers for it. Though it still has minor graphical glitches when I ran the Crysis demo at all very high with 8X AA

What would installing 32-bit drivers on a 64-bit system result in anyways? MSI isn't going to release a 64-bit version of that VGA driver. I still doubt full compatibility for this card since Windows had its own minor artifacting but it shouldn't be the card since I found an MSI service sticker for July 09.

 

32-bit drivers simply can't be used on a 64-bit operating system. At all.
Try using the Windows 7 beta drivers from ATi themselves?

 

I used catalyst 9.8 for vista and 7 64-bit and used a modder tool to make it compatible but it still had heavy artifacting. Do you have a link to that BETA driver?

 

Hi guys.

I have acer laptop 5580 series with Nvidia geforce go 7300 turbocache. can I upgrade my laptop?

I search the nvidia website and they say that 7300 go series support MXM: http://www.nvidia.com/page/go_7300_faq.html

just to be sure, I plan to open the back of my laptop. what sign should I look for to determine my laptop have MXM?

my laptop spec:
http://shoponline.com.sg/product_in...ebook 1.83GHz [Discontinued]/products_id/4297

thank you.

 

There should be a PCI card slot that should take up quite a bit of space with the card in it. Here are a couple of pics.

 

Hi 5584_user, and welcome to the forums!

Just because the GeForce Go 7300 supports MXM doesn't mean it was ever made into an MXM card, and it certainly doesn't mean that your machine is MXM-equipped.
I checked AcerParts.com, and the Aspire 5580 does not have MXM capabilities. There are two motherboards for the 5580; one with the Intel GMA 950, and the other with the GeForce Go 7300. In both cases, it's soldered onto the motherboard and not removable.
Only the more recent Acers have MXM slots to begin with.

 

Anybody knows about Acer 5739G and the new NVIDIA® GeForce® GT240M with 1GB GDDRIII ? Which Mxm type are they?

 

dear friend same thing happened to me my 3 hours going 8 cell battery on 5920 gone nearly 30 minutes while trying to install 4650 on 64 bit windows . Cause gpu and ram clocks and energy consumed becomes maximum at that state. And backplate of the vga card was hot as hell.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=5144652#post5144652

top of the page says how to install standart catalyst driver 64 bit or 32 bit, please ask me if you can't understand my catalyst installation explanation there.

 

my explanation will show you how to load catalyst follow the link upstairs, I wonder GT240M with 1GB GDDRIII from new acer 5739 if it is mxm II not a mxm-a will be better option with physix support and 28 watt consuming(less heat ) 40nm(better o.c. less heat) from 9600gt but I don't know the bios issue. You can buy better cpu t9xx-pxxx type, 800mhz ddr2 ram preferably ocz, ssd or 500gb 7200rpm seagate hdd as an upgrade options, but instead of 9600gt ddr3 I prefer ati4650 ddr2.

 

32 bit drivers don't work, Windows 7 ati drivers don't work on vista either but it is essential for catalys interface if you want to see. put a coin 1 mm-3 mm. thick silver or copper under 4670 on 6930g it may be useful for glitches. I had problem on crysis warhead with 4650(from 6920g) on 5920g, the AK-47 type Korean rifle had glitches on its barrel and I put a coin under gpu(silver) it was 118c celsius max but no glitches. My 5920g had also 64 bit Vista on it.

 

Why do you want to try change the cpu's instead of changing the vga's? Put the t9900 on Msi,why not? I put my 8600gt on 6930g then turn it on thn mobo had gone I gave it to service and waited exactly 2 months(from may 11 to July 11) to get it back. Maybe as5 or the ram coolers on 8600mgt caused it I don: know yet but I didn't try to put it on 6930g again. Kinda afraid of it.

 

Actually in Tukey there is such 6930g model with 512mb ddr2 9600mgt and and a 6935g models with 512mb ddr3 9600mgt and I also know another Turkish guy who bought special 6930g model with 512mb ddr3 9600mgt from Germany.

 

Acer Aspire 6930G: Intel C2D T9900 | 4GB PC2-5300 | nVidia 9600M GS | 500GB 7200 RPM Seagate
MSI EX625: Intel C2D P7250 | 4GB PC@-6400| ATI 4670 Mobility | 320 GB 5400 RPM
If I were you I put T9900- 4gb pc-6400- Ati mobility-500gb 7200 rpm seagate on Msi and rest on 6930g but everybody has his choises. I remembered something my 8600 gt had shorter screws than 4650, so if you want 9600mgs on Msi use different length(shorter) screws and do smth if the rams and the power condansator don't touch the pad-cooler, use extra pad or copper plate make them touch.

 

Could you give the link of these msi 32 bit drivers, than I can try them on my 6930g wih 4650? It can be usefull I guess.

 

thank you for both of your reply and research. I think I just get a new desktop for gaming. so sad I can still play battlefield 2 and many 3D games smoothly with this machine. only new game like GTA4 and fallout 3 need new grapic card, it's a waste if I buy a new laptop :/

thanks again

 

Wow, sure is a lot of same posting in here.

There are several reasons why I don't upgrade the MSI instead of the Acer.
1) The MSI was an open box item and the battery latch is broken on one side. Also, I'm skeptical about used items.
2) I spent a lot of time getting that T9900 in it and I'm not doing it again.
3) The 6930G has a second HDD bay that I'm waiting for parts on.
4) The HDD currently in the Acer is filled with 64-bit drivers and Acer programs
5) Those drivers don't work with MSI programs since they never released 64-bit drivers.
6) I lose a lot of specialized MSI functions using 64-bit such as battery options and fingerprint scanner.
7) The MSI has weird key placements making it hard to game on without a keyboard.
8) The heatsink is wimpy in the MSI so it may not handle a T9900 so well since it can barely handle the stock P7350.
9) I wouldn't really have as much of a reason to stay in this sub-forum.

I also used the mobility modding tool to get 64-bit drivers from desktop drivers and I believe the version was Catalyst 9.8. But it still won't work without the custom MSI drivers. I also used a piece of copper shim in between the heatsink and card and the idling temps are normal. It's those drivers that make the load temp acceptable. I'll probably try again this weekend if I have time. The VGA drivers are on this page: http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=downloaddetail&type=driver&maincat_no=135&prod_no=1678 Also, the MSI only uses one generic screw to hold down the GPU, the rest is held down with a heatsink. What I was saying about removing the metal plate was that piece on the other side of the core that is laid on top of a somewhat concave rectangle. I think its to prevent the screws from damaging the board but it doesn't fit in the MSI with that piece on it.


@5584_user: I'm surprised that you can still game games smoothly on that. My 7600 on my old laptop couldn't really handle much and only burned out instead (faulty packaging and weak die). But if you're not going to move it around much, then a desktop would be a better investment (Getting the same performance of the best laptop for a third of the price). Also, if you still play BF2, we could try playing together if you're in the US when we both have time.
http://bf2s.com/player/101271242/

 

Thank you EchoShade, you have many reasons I see. But even if you install nVidia 9600M GS on MSI it may not boot because of the bios issues. Good luck. I also upgraded my 5920g 's cpu to T9500 and I too don't want to put it on 6930g cause it is a lot of time taking business.

 

It's been proven that the MSI will take a 9600M GT in the MSI subforums so I'm assuming the same for the 9600M GS.

 

Hi, new here.

Anyone know if the G105M is a Type-I or a Type-II, or if it even is an MXM module chip? I feel the G105M is seriously underpowered for my needs, and my P8700 is wasting away since the GPU bottlenecks every game I play. I have an Acer 4937G, decent laptop all around, except for the GPU.

 

The new series of Nvidia cards I think are based on the MXM 3.0 form factor. The previous ones until the 9xxx series are MXM 2.1, which come in MXM-I, MXM-II and MXM-III sizes.

I'm not so sure with the sizes on the new MXM 3.0 though.