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    Acer TimelineX 3830/4830/5830 T/G

    Discussion in 'Acer' started by lee_what2004, Feb 6, 2011.

  1. aintz

    aintz Notebook Evangelist

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    man that bottoms lids 1 screw doesnt want to come off. why did they have to make it like this....
     
  2. robwadeson

    robwadeson Notebook Enthusiast

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    did you try flipping the laptop over? get a magnet and suck it up. Make sure it's totally unscrewed. Should come off easily.
     
  3. robwadeson

    robwadeson Notebook Enthusiast

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    After applying AS5 to both cpu and gpu. Here's what happens:

    Before:
    Cpu-85
    Gpu-75

    After:
    cpu-78
    gpu-79 (I must have bent the heatsink so there's nothing I can do beside waiting for the AS5 stuff to cure which probably will take 200 hours runtime)

    Lucky for you that I also play gta 4 alot :D and I get 30fps at medium settings and texture. Even though, the view distance is turned down to 15 which doesn't look too crappy for the 540m.

    I use my laptop 7 hours a day and I have it unplugged for 3-4 hours out of that 7 hours.
     
  4. aintz

    aintz Notebook Evangelist

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    finally got it was man that was a pain the . normally a magnetic screwdriver would be enough but i had to resort to other things.

    was being ultra careful because if that screw top gets damaged gg.

    going to test the battery before swapping my ssd into this laptop.


    side note on oc i was able to achieve 780/1000 and run sc2 perfectly, no artifacts and no change in temps
     
  5. AdreeN

    AdreeN Notebook Consultant

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    it was on sale, and i had coupons for 65 off the i3+540m gt version, so i had to do it, i have 14 days to return...so far...i don't see a reason to.
    i do see heat being a problem when gaming, but that's what laptop coolers are for.
    at this pricepoint, u can afford to spend a lil more for a good cooler :D
     
  6. Eason

    Eason Notebook Virtuoso

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    I wonder if you're talking about me? Yeah it lowered CPU temps by 2C. I don't know about GPU temps because I didn't measure them previously, but they seem pretty low (max 80c maybe after a couple hours of Crysis 2). It was worth it to me because I like to game and OC and generally push my system as far as it can go. If you aren't serious about gaming/getting every bit of speed then it's a waste of money.

    Here's what you do: Unscrew it as much as possible, then slide off the bottom/unclip it as far as you can. Then continue unscrewing. The force of the flexion of the bottom cover will help pull the screw up and out.
     
  7. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    The overheating was the only thing holding me back from buying the 3830tg.

    but it sounds like it is fixable with new paste.
    and temps are within normal operating range.

    some people may not be seeing significant improvement because they put on a little too much paste maybe ?

    anyway, I think I'm ready to take the plunge.


    question is........ why don't you guys lock the i5 cpu to core i3 speeds- 21x multi? Some guys here say the i3 doesn't have overheating issues.

    and what about manual fan control ?
    When the laptop throttles down, is the fan already spinning at the max ??
     
  8. AdreeN

    AdreeN Notebook Consultant

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    i have only tested temps with prime 95, didn't exceed 78 degrees on my i3. gpu had a very noticeable increase doing prime 95, which sucks seeing as tho it's all cpu intensive.
    i haven't hardcore gamed on it yet. but when i do, i'm gonna be using a laptop cooler...so...let's just say, the majority of people especially with the i5 setup are going to encounter heating issues.
    reapplying thermal paste is also a chore, u pretty much have to take the whole thing apart...
    only thing this laptop has going for it is the price.
    there's no doubt the cooling system is flawed.
    but there are always ways around it if you're willing to do them.
    i for one am enjoying this lappy quite a bit. but i have the i3 and cooling mat :\
     
  9. aintz

    aintz Notebook Evangelist

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    repasting these kind of laptop seems trivial. you might mess something up while ur doing it and repasting laptops is a pain to begin with.

    the way this laptop conducts heat is why the cpu is having issues, so even if the heat is spread more quickly to the pipes it will make almost minimal difference.


    when my throttle kicked in (me blocking the vent with a box lol) the fan was at max. but if i just let air flow, it doesnt reach the throttlepoint even if i oc the gpu generously. i think the auto fancontrol works rather well, its pretty quite when im just reading forums and youtubing.

    im keeping this laptop as long as the battery doesnt prove to be super bad. but the longest ive used a simple laptop for was 6month lol
     
  10. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    Ok. assuming I won't put new grease on.....
    would everyone say that locking the i5 at 2.1ghz prevents overheating?

    or does throttlestop only allow 18x multi ?
    Why are people locking the cpu so low ?
     
  11. reflex99

    reflex99 Notebook Guru

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    I've had it for 2 weeks now:

    week one: used it on AC 100% of the time, unplugged AC when i turned it off.

    this week: I was using it in my room, and i accidentally left it on, so it drained all the way to where it wouldn't even boot. since then, it has been sitting about 75-90% charged not doing much.
     
  12. heng

    heng Newbie

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    i bought in from a local university notebook fair.. im from singapore :) ..
     
  13. AdreeN

    AdreeN Notebook Consultant

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    anyone have thoughts on a solid case to protect this baby in?
     
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    ihaveabu Notebook Consultant

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    for those of u guys worried about overheating here's what i've seen consistently over the last few weeks.

    i play at least a few hrs of sc2 a day. all settings high/ultra at 70 fps.

    the max i've ever seen my cpu get is 97C. GPU max is 87C.

    i have my throttlestop set to x18.

    even running at those temps, i've never had any issues with stability. sc2 is very cpu intensive, and so are games like bad company 2. i have played both for hrs straight w/o any problems.

    i bought these just in case. haven't had to use them yet:
    Laptop Cooling Cooler Ball Leg Pad Blue Notebook New P - eBay (item 270714803253 end time Aug-30-11 02:52:37 PDT)

    they worked great on my old xps m1330 (major overheating issues).
     
  15. AdreeN

    AdreeN Notebook Consultant

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    ummm i'm trying to put my ssd in the 3830...how the heck do i get the stock hard drive+bracket out???
    i removed the two screws on the bottom...now i'm confused

    EDIT: nvm got it
     
  16. link626

    link626 Asus GL502VM, Lenovo Y580, Asus K53TA

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    holy crap. :eek: that's living on the edge.

    intel spec sheet says the max temp is 100 C
     
  17. Wizardjojo

    Wizardjojo Notebook Enthusiast

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    Just received my 3830TG...
    Panasonic battery... -> 9% wear on first boot...

    crap!

    For people having Sanyo batteries, what are your wear levels after a few weeks?
     
  18. thevuman

    thevuman Newbie

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    i just got the 5830T a week ago. Anyone else's laptop stutter/lag a lot? Sometimes, when I open something, like a new tab in browser or a new program or app, it stutters for a split second.

    Also, anyone else's touchpad lag? Like when I'm typing, then go straight to touchpad immediately, it doesn't register my movement until like a second later.

    Also, anyone get a lot of buzzing sound coming from speakers when audio is playing? It buzzes when my laptop lags, like previously stated earlier in my post
     
  19. n0elia

    n0elia Come on Haswell...

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    Try doing a calibration, and see if it changes... Sometimes my wear goes down when I'm plugged in for a long time, soo weird :S It's like the battery wasn't meant to be used. The why call it a portable machine.
    I'll get back with results...

    The touchpad isn't exactly the best. Mine lags as well. Updated the driver, seems like it helped a bit, may be placebo effect though.
     
  20. ptrkhh

    ptrkhh Notebook Consultant

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    Mine's 1,3% when first boot, recalibrate then 0,0%. After 1 month quickly jump to 0,3%, then jump to 3,7% now.

    Try the "Balanced" or "High Performance" power plan.

    Mine's perfect..I even remapped the left click button to Play/Pause, right click button to Skip/Next Track. Then I enabled the Two-Finger Scrolling, disabled the One-Finger Scrolling.
    I downloaded TwoFingerScroll, set "Two Fingers" (tap) to be the right click, then set the "One+one finger" (tap) to the right click too.
    Now it feels like my friend's MacBook but without clickable touchpad and MUCH smaller.
    And I got the Play/Pause and Next Track button that I miss since leaving the Sony VAIO VGN-CR23G..
     
  21. n0elia

    n0elia Come on Haswell...

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    Do you have Synaptics or Elantech?

    The 3830TG which I returned had Synpatics, and it was perfect... now I have Elantech on the T model
     
  22. ptrkhh

    ptrkhh Notebook Consultant

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    Synaptics, I think Elantech is the low-cost alternative to Synaptics that Acer bought for 3830T so the 3830T can be cheaper, because so many 13" non-GPU laptops out there, so they must be competitive in this class, compared to the 3830TG which only has 2 competitors: VAIO SA/SB and Alienware M11x-R3
     
  23. bbabyj

    bbabyj Newbie

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    I'm seriously considering this laptop, but after having a look at reviews and this forum, there seems to be a few complaints with it?

    3830TG owners: Would you make the same purchase again?
     
  24. n0elia

    n0elia Come on Haswell...

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    I would. The reason?

    Because it's so cheap compared to other laptops. Impressive battery life.

    If you game, you have to use Throttlestop. Luckily not a problem for me, because I don't game...

    You could also look at the Asus U36SD. Some models come with 8 GB ram, but no HD cam. Small differences. And battery life also good... But weaker graphics card. So you have to go down in some specs, and up in others.
     
  25. aintz

    aintz Notebook Evangelist

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    i would, its the cheapest and highest performing laptop in the 13.3in. and mine has a 2310m so i dont even have to deal with throttling issues even when gaming. the battery however is yet to be tested (it was 0wear on boot).
     
  26. lee_what2004

    lee_what2004 Wee...

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    Go to the touchpad setting and reduce palm check..
     
  27. lastnikita

    lastnikita Notebook Deity

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    It was on Acer's install.... Couldn't believe it was THAT slow, they really managed something special here :)
    With a proper install, it acts as it should, blazing fast for anything.

    I believe this could be a feature, to help avoiding unwanted input.
    I had this with my last acer 3810tzg laptop, which came with synaptics if I remember well.
    Mine is elantech now, so I can't tell for sure.
     
  28. AdreeN

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    i upgraded to 8gb+ssd last night and did a fresh format. it's blazin fast!
    playing hon max settings and the heat is very manageable with a cooling mat.
     
  29. n0elia

    n0elia Come on Haswell...

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    How did you remove the bottom plate? I tried last night and couldn't, it just wouldn't come off
     
  30. AdreeN

    AdreeN Notebook Consultant

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    ya i struggled with it a little. loosen the one screw as much as u can, don't apply too much pressure tho don't wanna damage it. pull/push the cover downwards towards the backside of the palmrest, and the screw should pop up a little, unscrew it more and it should come out.
    took a while, but i just jiggled the blackplate around and tried unscrewing it more. hope this helps it was pretty trial and error lol
     
  31. thevuman

    thevuman Newbie

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    thanks for the help, everyone.

    i changed the palm rest setting like suggested and it has helped.

    I was on balanced power when i was on AC power, so I switched to high performance to see if it helps. I'll see if that helps with the lag. So far, it seems to be helping a lot with the lag.


    Thanks for the help, everyone :)
     
  32. thevuman

    thevuman Newbie

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    oops, spoke too soon. it still lags and the buzzing sound because of the lag still happens when audio is playing :(

    it doesn't seem to happen as much though
     
  33. lastnikita

    lastnikita Notebook Deity

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    it shouldn't lag at all even in eco mode
    if you're still on base install, re-install :)
     
  34. lee_what2004

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    AdreeN Notebook Consultant

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    i was about 95% sure i was going to wait and pick up the asus u46sv..i had it on preorder...saw that i could snatch this for 535 cad, and thought hey, i could give it a try for 14 days, see if it grows on me.
    second day...and i'm loving it. fresh format+ssd+8gb and it's ridic. rivals my desktop. bootup is <15secs, and i haven't experienced heat issues or throttling or battery problems.
    the asus needs to be pretty freaking amazing to justify paying another 300 for it.
     
  36. lastnikita

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    nice tool !
     
  37. thevuman

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    reinstall with the recovery disks?
     
  38. WizZaRAIN

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    I was originally interested in the 3820TG with 6550M, but couldn't find any new or used two months ago. When the 3830TG came out I was going to buy until reading about the throttling issues, and I wasn't interested in redoing the thermal paste myself, or really compromising with Throttlestop.

    Now I have an opportunity to buy a lightly used 3820TG with I5-480M & 6550M for $600. It looks like a good deal, but the idea of buying something used without warranty is bothering me when I could buy a new 3830TG that cost $599 (i3-2310M & 4GB ram & 540M) or $686 (i5-2410M & 6GB ram & 540M) with warranty, the throttling and potential battery issues.

    My dilemma is buying something used that is consider a "near perfect" or buying something new with two shortcomings with warranty at very similar prices. Please help me decide!
     
  40. Wizardjojo

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    Has anybody manage to run 3DMark11, cause it says my graphic card in not directX 11 compliant...
     
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    One has a descrete dedicated Graphics card and the other uses integrated intel, meaning the TG can play games while the T cant.
     
  44. ftblryan

    ftblryan Newbie

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    So the reviews etc. online that I'm seeing are relatively the same despite the graphics difference. I'm using the laptop for portability and basic stuff (word processing, browsing etc.). Is everything pretty much the same but one has the intel chip?
     
  45. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope.

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    The T is the same as the TG except that it does not have the Nvidia GPU and no switchable graphics. But, the HD 3000 is decent for everything but 3D games.
     
  46. Eason

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    I don't remember my fan always going when I first got my laptop, but is now. I used to not be able to hear it. What up wit dat?


    43 CPU 36 GPU and fan is on full ::
     
  47. Eason

    Eason Notebook Virtuoso

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    Because when using the GPU + CPU, 18x is the highest multiplier that will not result in steadily increasing temperatures until 96-99C -> 8x autothrottle.
     
  48. aintz

    aintz Notebook Evangelist

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    so i drained my laptop battery and charged and it the battery wear according to batterycare is now 1.84
     
  49. AdreeN

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    whats a good program that will monitor the cpu frequencies+multipliers to see if the laptop throttles at all?
    i've seen no in-game throttling, but i'm only playing HoN.
    screen is a tad small for HoN :(
     
  50. Eason

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    I don't know but some people have been talking about something called "Throttlestop" I heard it's possible you might be able to run that program and then click something like "log file" and then you could look at the log and see if your laptop changes to a low multiplier.

    Just a theory though, never been done.
     
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