Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
Not saying Yeshhh is wrong, but personally I would take the 1830 over the 3820 with what you're requiring. If you are mainly just doing office work, will have a larger monitor hooked up in the office, and need something portable for travel, I think the 1830 will be a much better fit for you. Yes, you will sacrifice some performance quality, but it's really only something you'd notice if you were doing something like gaming or some CPU-taxing procedure. If you're just doing office work and internet browsing, etc., the more portable computer sounds like a better fit.
Portability is something I'm looking for too, because I also plan on taking this computer on trips (not a big fan of my work laptop). But personally I would not choose the 1830 over the 3820, just because it sounds like I want more power. But given your needs, I think the 1830 would be a good fit.
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Hi tku01! You are aware of the size of the 9-cell battery?
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Otherwise it looks nice
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Lol Italian makes the notebook sound even more sexy
Wow look at the fingerprints on the lid
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i's an external usb-modem!
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I type quite a bit at work. My preferred keyboard is the one with scalloped keys like you find in Dells and Lenovos. I have never used a chicklet but there is no question that an island keyboard is inferior to the scalloped kind. That being said, after a month-and-a-half on my 1410T, I am starting to get comfortable with the feel of the keys. I also took all of the flex out of the keyboard with double sided tape. My typing speed is getting better but I still have a ways to go to reach the speed I got typing on my old Vostro 1500.
Bronsky
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My 1410T display is all i need. I can't imagine that the 3820TG is any worse.
The performance differences between the test 4820TG and the test 3820TG are likely correctable with bios and driver adjustments. That means we can expect the 3820TG to ultimately benchmark in the 7400 range on 36Mark06 without oc'ing. Even more with the higher end CPU's. That is over a thousand marks higher than the Sony Z and 3000 marks higher than the Asus UL30JT.
Dual fans seem to keep the CPU/GPU very cool. 80C under heavy load is astounding. Not surprisingly, there is a cost in power and noise. Pick your poision. There is probably significant room for OC'ing the GPU and keeping the I7-620M from throttling so that it can perform at its full 3.333 ghz in turbo mode.
The keyboard. It's a step up from my 1410T.
All I need to know now is, who do I send the check to?
Bronsky
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(Someone correct me if I'm wrong)
It's analogous to trying to take the subway during rush hour: the people is the data and the subway is the PCI-E data transport lanes. What happens is that somehow the subway isn't working to full capacity and as a result it's unable to accommodate the amount of data that the graphics card needs to send to the rest of the system (to be displayed for example). The subway is creating a serious bottleneck and had be goddam fixed before it arrives over here. We don't take kindly to faulty subways here in Canada.
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I'm waiting patiently, only checking this thread like thrice a day now, nothing serious.
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Since I'm not familiar with the issue, may I ask whether the PCI-E throttling BIOS or GPU driver related is?
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A single benchmark test of the 3820TG found that the 3820TG generated lower graphic benchmark scores (aka performed worse) than the 4820TG, which has an identical CPU/GPU combination. That would point to some motherboard bottleneck or other issue. The rest is pure speculation. However, it is my experience that such issues are hardware/software issues and are not atypical in new model releases. It is also not atypical for the problem to be corrected through software fixes that the manufacturer impliments over time, or in some cases, by software designed by product owners. Fan issues on the 1810T were addressed when someone wrote the 1810T tray program.
My point was that this small decrease in performance, showing up in a single review, does not dissuade me in the least from ordering one of the units as soon as it is available in the US. I believe that the differences between the 13" and 14" timelines will evaporate over time and the 3820TG will perform up to its potential.
To be sure, this little marvel has its issues. But, the important one to me, GPU/CPU HEAT, seems to have been elegantly resolved with dual heatsinks and fans. I am very impressed with Acer's engineering of this system. Of course, having designed what appears to be the best cooling system in a 13" laptop, Acer will now be critized for being too loud. No good deed goes unpunished.
The bottom line is that no unit will be perfect, that is the nature of engineering. This one is a significant advancement over everyting that has come before. It and the Sony Z are the only 13", IMO that advance the ball past the LG P10 which IMHO was the best all around 13" laptop before the Sony Z and the Acer 3820TG were released. The 3820TG will be less than half the price of a comparably equipped Sony Z and may significantly out perform it in GPU intensive tasks.
My reference to throttling was a different issue. Full function/high performance 13" inch notebooks have had a hard time in the past dealing with heat issues. Excessive temperature under heavy load can cause the CPU to throttle back. At least one test has suggested that the I7-620M may be prone to this condition. I'm not convinced that is true (I think the test was flawed) but the test showed the I5-540M outperforming the I7-620M under certain conditions, usually performance at the high end of the CPU's capibility. High temperatures can also cause GPU's to shut down under load (happened consistently with the 9600GT in my desktop playing BC2 until I upgraded to an I7-930/ATI 5870 combination). Anyone who has owned a Dell Studio XPS 13 will attest to this. The heat can also cause premature motherboard and component failure. Temps of 60C to 80C under high loads seem to suggest that Acer has designed a unit that will not suffer the same problems that the XPS (and others - to be fair - even the P310 had its issues when it was overclocked) and may have such efficient cooling that the machine can be overclocked without the need to address heat increases that accompany OC'ing. It makes this little wonder a potential monster. I think that is why the German site referenced it as the successor to the LG P310.
That is why I am patiently awaiting the US release of my Acer 3820TG. Happy Earth Day everyone.
Bronsky
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As a proud, long time owner of the LG P310 I must say I am pretty impressed with what Acer managed to achieve. That's the sort of upgrade that I won't hesitate to make. So, Bronsky, as of now I am also patiently waiting for my new 3820TG
However, I think I will go for the i5 520 version and save some precious £££.
PS. Anyone fancies a used LG P310?
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Forgive me my hyperbolie. An I7-620M CTO Z, is roughly $2,000. The Acer will likely be around $1,500 with a 160GB X25-M. So, you're correct. The Sony is only 25% more than the Acer when you compare apples to apples.
Bronsky
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no one think that the display is one of the awful displays ever seen??
aren't you worried about that?
the display is almost 30% of the value of a laptop (in terms of usability), so a 150 brightness and 140:1 contrast + glossy seems to be the one of the worst ever seen... for comparison sony has 300 brightness and 700:1 contrast!!!!!!
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