The Official Arrandale Timeline Thread

Haha, I love how the announcement of the new HP laptops basically brought chatter about the TimelineX to a screeching halt.

 

Sure did! There should be some real soul searching going on at Acer USA. The 3820TG will probably not be affected by the Envy 14 introdcution but the 4820TG and the 5820TG could have real problems getting a foothold in the US market competing against the Envy 14. The Envy has a lot more going for it. The silence is deafening.

Bronsky

 

Hey, that's business. Especially with high tech stuff, if you don't get to market fast, you lose. I can only imagine that the delays from Acer at this point are because of difficulties in ramping production or in procuring parts. It's not a marketing strategy.

If anyone comes out with an equal or better product at a better price, Acer will have a tough time selling these. But I still wonder about HP's build quality...

 

I would have no doubts about the build quality of the Envy lines. I think all the statistics that we've seen about HP and Acer having higher failure rates is due to the shear number of low end machines they sell. I'm sure their premium lines would be of much better quality.

 

Envy 14 is too heavy...to chunky Vs the 3820TG. Acer is losing business already since they don't seem to want to get this out there to sell very quickly.

 

Hadn't thought of that Bronsky (Since I'm focused so much on the 3820tg ). It will indeed compete heavily with the 4820tg and 5820tg.

 

The Envy is heavy but you get a full Mac-like aluminum enclosure, it feels solid. Not like the plastic of the Acers.

 

I need a laptop, and with more and more alternatives available I cannot wait for 3820tg anymore

Did anybody consider HP 4320s (WH295UT)? They seem to have a good quality build, and priced very attractively (comparing to Envy).

 

Im currently in Germany, but originally from England and have been waiting for ages for the 3820tg to come out with 520/540 or 620.
With still no date in site.
I must admit i love the look of the envy 14, just wondering when the release date will be and what the cost will be in Germany.
Also if anyone has some tech specs on it and what options it will have.

 

damn if they released an envy 13 with the same specs as the new envy 14 it'd be over...

 

My guess is that HP will focus on the US market first. The last Envy 15 took awhile to make its way to Europe. Here's the proposed specs from Gizmodo:

"The Envy 14 is 1.1 inches thick, weighs 5.25 pounds, and offers Intel Core i3, Core i5, and Core i7 processors. The 14.5-inch 16:9 display runs at 1,600x900 pixels, and the system supports switchable graphics, pairing integrated Intel graphics with an ATI Mobility Radeon 5650. The Envy 14 also adds a backlit keyboard, one of the key upscale features missing from the more-expensive Envy 13. At $999, the magnesium/aluminum alloy Envy compares very favorably with the current $999 MacBook, which has a polycarbonate body and an older Core 2 Duo CPU."

 

the only thing the acer has going on me now is the i7 620m, since i need its dual core + turbo boost 3.0+ ghz for PCSX2 + its gpu

if the envy 14 holds a i7 620m which i doubt it will i would be sold already...

 

The Envy 14 as far I can tell is the only 14in machine with a quad-core i7. I'd like to see if Acer will then step-up and give us that option and possible the higher res screen.

 

Pretty sure it will only be dual core i7, since the quads do not have integrated intel gfx

 

if there is confirmation of dual core i7... you just made my damn day.

 

I'm pretty sure its an I7-620M too. I think I read it somewhere this morning. Ok - now I'm going back to patiently awaiting the US release of my 3820TG.

Bronsky

In reviewing the HP Envy 14 thread, there is some discussion about an option of an I7 quad and the HD 5830 GPU. The availabilty of an I7 quad does not forclose the possibilty of the I7-620M as an option as well. I guess we'll have to wait and see. It's basically speculation until we hear more. In a couple of weeks the preorders will start and we'll know all the specs. A 5830? LOL I was just saying how long before somebody put a 5670 in a small computer, I guess I was thinking too limited.

Ok for real now, I'm going back to Acer information only and waiting to hear about my 3820TG. At least I know I have a backup if the 3820TG doesn'tget to the states within the next month.

 

i7 620M is dual core

 

ive read around, and it says QUAD core i7. ._. fail
i know dell studios have done this thing... i5s and i7 quad!

edit
thanks Bronsky for giving me some hope... !!

 

More choices! Competition is always healthy. This is looking good, I'll be going to cherry pick the best laptop available by the end of June. I just really hope the best won't be the HP, given my poor experience with them in the past... But I'll risk it if nothing better is out. Might come down to N82JV vs Envy 14 vs 4820TG, whichever's got the better specs and available at the time.

 

YouTube - HP Envy 14

Looks like the only thing that's wrong with the Envy 14 is that it's an HP. I have nothing but bad experiences with HP products (and HP customer service) in the past (except for a used 20 inch LCD monitor which I found on a flee market; it's doing an excellent job as a secondary screen on my desk).

But what the heck. Finally a fairly portable laptop with a quality screen! And there are no dealbreakers in the other specs, as far as I can see. Pretty much the same as Acer 4820TG. The backlit keyboard and sturdy build are definitely plus points as well, and the clip-on battery is a sweet feature for long trips with no power outlet handy. I might be able to overlook my past experiences with HP for a computer like this. It sounds like the ideal laptop to me.

 

the quality screen is what stands out. most manufacturers skimp out on the lcd and have terrible viewing angles.

 

I tried ... here are the specs:

HP Envy 14 Specifications

Powered by Windows 7, the HP Envy 14 can be configured with Intel Dual Core i5, i3 or Quad Core i7 processors, up to 640GB HDD or 256GB SSD, as well as up to 8GB DDR3-1333 memory. Furthermore, the HP Envy 14 incorporates a 14.5" 900p screen (350nit brightness), DVD drive, Wi-Fi 802.11a/b/g/n and an integrated Web camera. The HP Envy 14 also sports a Qualcomm Gobi chip, meaning that wireless broadband with GPS can be enabled when signing up for a wireless plan.

The HP Envy 14 is also powered by an ATI Mobility Radeon 5650 graphics card with 1GB DDR3 RAM. When configured with a Dual Core processor, power consumption can be reduced when switching to integrated graphics (Intel GMA HD). Additionally, the HP Envy 14 offers the following ports: 3x USB 2.0 (1x shared eSATA), Ethernet, HDMI v1.3c, Mini-Display Port, 2-1 Digital Media Reader (SD, MMC), Beats Headphone Jack and Second Headphone + Microphone Combo Jack.

The HP Envy 14 measures 14.01 by 9.33 by 1.09 inches and weighs in at 5.25pounds. Like the Envy 17, it also features a HP Clickpad with multi-touch gestures enabled. Lastly, the notebook will ship with a 59Whr, 8 cell, Li-Ion polymer battery (promising up to 6 hours of battery life).

256GB SSD sounds nice. I could spend a lot of money configuring one of these, I'm sure. The DM4 and the DV5 also look interesting. I think only the envy comes with the 1600 x 900 option.

OK really - back to waiting.

 

I was going to say the same thing. The Envy series notebooks have pretty decent screens to add onto all the other positives, which makes it very enticing to me.

I kind of wish there was an all-black model like the Beats Edition of the Envy 15. That would be hard to resist...

 

As Acer has yet to announce the new TimelineX release in the US, I am now becoming interested in the new HP Envy 14. I'll definitely wait until they are released and reviewed before I make my final decision but unfortunately Acer are slowly losing me as a customer with their lack of info.

 

I'll do the same. I will have to deal with the added weight as a compromise.
Anyway, is it true the processor is downclocked on the Envy 14?

 

Looks like the new HP lineup is really catching NBR members' eyes. I can see why though.

And alas, Acer has been beat with the Envy 14, having better or similar specs in every area except battery life (and weight if you compare to the 3820). Build quality is sure to be better with a chiclet keyboard and aluminum body. It looks like Acer won't be getting my money

And there probably isn't a quad core in the Envy 14, but likely the i7 dual-core, but who knows? (maybe HP custom modded the i7 QM )

 

And no, it's not. Well at least don't expect it to be. Why would HP do that? They didn't do it in the Envy 15, they probably won't do it in the 14.

 

As per PCMag, the i7 QM is an option, but removes the integrated graphics (makes sense because the QM doesn't have integrated graphics on the processor like the Arrandale i5/i7 Chips do)

Hands On with the HP Envy 14 and Envy 17 | News & Opinion | PCMag.com

 

Well PCMag didn't say anything about removing integrated graphics with the QM (of course that's likely). I'm just saying maybe they meant i7 dual core not quad-core. But either way I'm not planning on getting an i7, don't think it's worth it. i5 540 ftw!!!

 

the 14 is fail for games before it even gets out the door

that 5650 in the envy 14 is Not gona be nearly as quick when it has to render games close to 1.5 megapixels at 1600*900 instead of the 1 megapixel on the 3820 at 1366*768...thats a 50% increase in fillrate requirements for g? ddr 3 vid ram....if u want to game better add some more cowbell in the 3d department..dvd-rw was obsolete 2 laptop generations ago..the words "dvd" and "envy" being in the same sentence, should have stopped in 1999 or sooner....apparently even in 21st century they just can;t fathom selling software on dvd on a store shelf to computer owners who would not have one built into the pc, so logically fail..which leads to ...errr nevermind go buy this envy 14, so when the 3820 comes out in usa it will be cheaper and actually available to ship without waiting

 

Well it's not supposed to be an ultimate gaming device. Either way just lower the resolutions and your fine. I'm just thankful for the higher resolution and quality screen. Tired of seeing 1366 b 768 resolutions from >13 inch laptops.

 

hp is full of fail for no i7 620m

 

Eh, if it came to it I wouldn't mind playing at 1366x768 for performance reasons but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't necessary. The Envy 14 looks pretty nice actually, although I still don't know whether I'd want to go for the 14", but 1600x900 is a pretty awesome resolution for that size screen, especially for those who do lots of multitasking. Also, it'd be nice if other companies adopted the battery slice idea.

 

I cant wait to get hold of the Envy 14, where can i order one of these. The build quality looks amazing, id prob go for the dual core i7 if they role one with it. If not i can deal with the i5.
Just wondering what the support is going to be under linux with switchable graphics.

 

I believe there are separate threads dedicated to HP's new lineup...

 

Indeed, back onto the 3820TG. The evny 14 is not in the same league. Its much heavier, more bulky.

13.3" is a good portable size, 14' is really starting to get too big. Its about portability and the acer 3820TG still wins. Better battery life. That Envy with the slice battery will weight around 6.X lbs. Not exactly light...Getting close to a 17' weight...

Anyone found any English keyboard 3820TG's out there with the i5 or i7 yet?

Please move the Envy 14 discussion to the HP forums......

 

It would be nice if there was actually some Timeline news to talk about.

Bronsky

... still waiting ...

 

I agree that the Envy will be heavier than many of us are looking for. I'm walking a bunch in my job and need something that is fairly portable without having to pay a bunch for it. The 3820 seems to be a great all around portable laptop. I'm also waiting...sometimes patiently, sometimes not.

 

Yep like us all, I'll do another google search for a 3820TG with US/UK keyboard if I find one will let you know. I still dont understand why no Singapore online retailers have this model yet...> So strange.

 

For now i only see two versions, i3-330M and Core i5-430M available to buy (eu). So what is the difference between 430M and 540M? And why do everyone want i7 dual and not quad core? Is it because the battery life outtakes the performance boost? I don't know, so I'm asking...

Also that envy 14 looked great to me, until i saw the dvd drive. (why the hack would anyone need that in 2010, especially if you are on the market for under 15" laptop and you're obviously looking for ultra light & portable). I would pay something more to get the better screen and build quality, but not for the price of size and weight.
Will they renew the 13" envy too?

 

Wish I could help You with that, the hungarian keyboard has a QWERTZ layout, plus it has specail caracters lik é, á, etc., so I won’t be much of a help, and I’m afraid no other European region’s but only the UK market could solve Your problem.

Depends on Your needs, if You plan to have a CPU that gets everything out of the HD5650, the 430M would be enough, anything faster might be unnecessary.

If You need this notebook for video encoding, compiling graphics files, extreme (office) multitasking, converting, etc., You might go for the 520M/540M/620M.

Plus the 520M/540M/620M features AES, Trusted Execution while the 430M dosen’t (I don’t really know these features).

I’d go for the 520M/540M, because I like to know there’s serious power when – occasinaly – needed, but it seems I’ll get the 430M since it’d be in stock in the next two weeks, and with no news about the 520M/540M release date I just want this never-ending waiting game to be over.

 

I guess it's because they want you to buy dvds and cds and bluerays.. Which are still less easy to reproduce than if the whole content related industry switched to other supports, i.e. downloadable content etc. While this has begun, I think their technology is not ready yet to preserve copyrights.

I also think that's why Sony insists on ODDs, because it has the patents for them! And that led them to develop something amazing like the Vaio Z, which has loads of power in a 13.1", slim etc.. while still having also an ODD. Engineeristically, it seems a miracle to me..

 

my mistake people=)

 

Just noticed that the new TimelineX models are listed on the UK products page. Pretty sure they wasn't there 2 days ago when I last checked. Also acerdirect.co.uk has the 3820T in stock and it says they are able to deliver from the 8th of May.

www. acerdirect .co.uk/Acer_Timeline_X_3820T_Core_i3_Laptop_-_8_Hour_Battery_Life_LX.PTC02.003/version.asp

www. acer .co.uk/acer/productv.do?LanguageISOCtxParam=en&kcond61e.c2att101=78327&sp=page16e&ctx2.c2att1=17&link=ln438e&CountryISOCtxParam=UK&ctx1g.c2att92=122&ctx1.att21k=1&CRC=94894993


Could the recent announcement from HP have prompted Acer to start getting serious about getting this product out the door?

As for the Envy 14 Vs 3820TG I've yet to decide. Acer has the better battery life and lower weight but the HP has the much better sceen, built in ODD (though not a deal breaker) and looks a lot nicer, not to mention the build quality should be higher too.

I need to have the laptop in my hands by mid-June, and seeing as the Envy isn't out till the 27th June in the US I may be forced to go with the Acer. It's going to be the first Laptop I've owned and want to do it right!

 

ya its just dollars and cents.

the envy is going to be more expensive unless you find a coupon.

 

The 3820 has been around on uk sites for quite some time now, but bear in mind that it is either the 3820T model with Core i3 and integrated graphics (big thumbs down) or the 3820TG with Core i5 and Radeon 5470 (even bigger thumbs down)

 

My "new" laptop is a IBM T40. My old old one is an ultraprotable Acer C102ti convertable 10.6" tablet, rocking out ultra-pared down XP using 256MB(maxed out) RAM and PIII processor/egg cooker.

I think I'm ready for an upgrade. Although most netbooks don't run much better than my T40.

 

Are you really sure that 430m is enough for 5650?

 

I've read so elsewhere...

 

Well looks like the UK site has been updated...

Products

This lists i7's and 5650's...