The Official Arrandale Timeline Thread

By way of justification - the desktop HD 5850 is always the bottleneck when used with a Core i3-530 desktop CPU from testing at Tom's Hardware. Granted, the desktop Core i3-530 is ~15% faster than the laptop Core i5-430, but I wouldn't worry about the i5-430M when it comes to gaming considering the benchmarks in question used a video card that's over three times faster.

 

this is a good news...for uk people...here in italy only i3 and i5

 

@truesilvo

Do the UK retailers usually sell UK keyboards only, or do they make US keyboards available? (I just know you're gonna say UK only). With the I7-620M listed on the UK site, I guess Acer is going to make the May 15th release date they promised. Still no I5-540M in sight. With your experience owing the P310, I look forward to your review.

Bronsky

 

here Products are the italian models
for us only 430m and 5470

 

This is great, however Im sure the price will not be great. Normally the prices are more than the EU with the VAT. Whats the bet it will end up being 899 pounds

Since I think i remember the i3 / 5450 being around 799 pounds. Ridiculously overpriced.....

@Bronsky they will have a UK keyboard with pound symbol in place of the dollar sign. Thats about it and a smaller left shift key i think.

 

a question for all: why acer realese so many different spec models in different countries?

 

they also have the @ and " switched, which is annoying as hell. first hand experience.

 

idc about news i just want this to come to canada

 

I'm from Australia (who have US keyboards) but currently living/working in the UK. To be honest, the transition from US to UK keyboard was not difficult at all, and I now prefer the placement of the @ key on the UK over the US. In this day and age you use the @ more then the $ sign any day of the week.

 

Well, portuguese Acer site also having TimelineX adds. Just not listed in the producs page... but i guess it's good news. In the "excellent performance" tab there is reference to i7, i5 and i3 models. sweeeeet!

Home TimelineX

 

Oz Acer site has the same TimelineX ads, but only lists the 4820t/g on the products page. And it's only available supposedly at Hardly Nomal.. ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

 

Hi all - Just wanted to see if my logic below makes much sense. I'm debating between 3 Acers and narrowing in on the 1830. I'm not too bothered by a lot of the differences, but want a solid thin and light that can ace general usage (Internet, MS Office, video, music, many apps open at once).

I live Singapore and the 3820TGs are available in retails stores now for SGD 1,700 (abt USD 1,200). This is for the i5-520. Seems a little spendy, no? Was thinking about picking one up when I'm in the states for a couple months this summer. I figure it'll be a few hundred less there (USD900-ish?). However, since I'm not in a big rush and willing to wait a couple months, I'm also debating about the 1830T. (I even starting to like the 1825PTZ (Acer convertible tablet), although SU7200 seems quite a bit weaker than the i5 (for my basic needs), so I'm left debating between the 3820 or 1830 ... agree that 1825PTZ should be off the list?). I not really bothered about the spec differences between the 3820 and 1830, so I'm narrowing it down to the 1830. I'm guessing it'll come out late June for USD 650-700 ish, which is fine.

Does that seem like sound logic? Or am I missing some major component?

Thanks all,
Robliv

 

As long as your not expecting to do any major gaming, the 1830 will be just fine for your needs.

 

The 3820TG could be in the USA by mid Summer, but maybe not.
The US has never been a priority market for Acer, probably because of
the time delay ramping up for full scale production.

I think no-way the 1830 will be in the US by mid-Summer.
And when it does finally arrive, it will be an entry version i3
mobile or ultra low voltage i5 without the discrete graphics that we are
all drooling about.

With the emerging heat issues on larger Timelines,
I'm now predicting November for your (our) 1830 dream machine.

 

Oh lord let it be so... For some reason I am not entirely convinced that Acer will roll out the strongest config in the UK soon, but let's hope my intuition is wrong. When I get my hands on it you can count on a review with many comparisons to my LG

I think that the smaller Acers will be more than enough for your needs. I would not discard the 1825 tablet, as the performance difference between SU7300/SU4100 and the new ULV processors is not that big (if any). We will have to wait for some thorough comparison tests when those new ULV Arrandales finally start shipping. I think that convertible tablet is the way to go, cause then you can save some $$$ by not buying the ipad (which, as Steve tells us, everybody wants to buy ). I've been dealing with Acer 1810TZ lately (SU4100) and I am 100% convinced that it is powerful enough for the tasks that you mentioned. One thing I would recommend, which will make it rocket fast is the SSD upgrade

 

There's an hp tablet with su9600 and some discount coupon for $300

 

I’m afraid that dosen’t mean anything. The italian site also mentions i7 + HD 5650 in the technical specifiations (just like the UK site does), the only difference is that the itealian site names specific configurations as well (which the UK, and many other European sites does not), where one can realize that – at least for a time being – the italian market seems to have 430M+ HD5470 despite the HD 5650 mentioned int he main specifications sheet. Plus the 3820 was announced in the UK before with HD 5470, correct me if I’m wrong (hope I am).

No it’s not, well, maybe in Singapore, it is, here I, and I think any european member would buy it without any second thoughts.

Lucky You!

 

The Norwegian Acer site also has a configurations tab ( link), and it looks kind of depressing. Only i3 and 5470. But i5-430M/5470 combos are available in many webshops, and the i5-430M/5650 combo is available on netonnet, so take those configurations at the Acer site with a pinch of salt.

 

if a 430m/5650 comes out, do you will buy it?

 

It is out: Acer AS3820TG-434G64N Laptop med imponerende batteritid - DATA - Laptop - Laptop 13 - 14 tom

I was just about to pull the trigger on it, but now some guy on sweclockers forum has received it and says the 9 cell battery is enormous, in fact looking so grotesque that he's going to return the computer. Waiting for him to upload some pictures. I wanna see just how bad it is before buying.

 

would you say the I5 430M/ATI5470 is enough if i don't want to play any games just office, music and some video editing? is the macbook pro 13 better?
thank you
Federico

 

If by video editing you mean working with Moviemaker or a similar program, you could probably get by with the integrated GPU in the CoreI's. If you are using a laptop to do any serious video editing with proprietary programs on a professional level, you would already have an idea of your GPU needs. For you, the 430M/5470 will probably be more than enough power.

I would guess that you can get a 430M combo for roughly $750-800US. Unless you want Apple OS, a better display, I can't see the reason to fork over the additional $300 for a machine that will underperform the 3820TG in virtually every catagory. The comparisn of the MBP with devices like the 3820TG is lost on me (apples and oranges? ).

Bronsky

 

The MacBook Pro 13 uses Integrated Nvidia 320M and a Core 2 Duo Processor.
Does this answer your question?
Remember the Label doesn't make the computer any faster, the spec does.
Of course it is best done with a clean install.

 

what about gaming with 430m/5470 Bronsky?

 

Why even consider the 5470 if you want to game?
Just take the much better 5650.

 

oh, i know the differences between the two cards, but, where i live, for now, there will be only 430m/5470

 

Sorry if this was already posted. I follow this thread every day, but it's hard to remember all of what has been talked about.

A German site is not posting the Acer Aspire Timeline X-4820TG 624G16Mns "Il Diavolo" with 160GB Intel SSD for 1243 Eur (includes 20% VAT).

http://www.notebooksbilliger.de/ace...684a626d?sid=b1c3374625897f070fda50a61810f47d

The specs:
New Intel Core i7 620M processor with 2x 2.66 GHz, thanks to turbo boost up to 3.33 GHz
4096 MB DDR3 RAM
Intel 160GB SSD
ATI Radeon HD 5650 1024MB DDR3
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 Bit

 

notebookcheck review on 3820TG

Notebookcheck: Review Acer Aspire 3820TG Timeline X Notebook

Looks like the keyboard yields somewhat, and the display isn't great either. As for the rest, looks like a good compromise, even though the reviewed one had the i3 + 5470

 

The 5470 will struggle with today's modern games, you can get playable frame rates but that's only lowering the settings and in more demanding games lowering them a lot.

 

I wouldn't get the 5470 if you want to game. Even if you were willing to use only older games that would run smooth on a 5470, it wont be long before games like MW2 will fall into that category. I would want the most GPU power you can get to do that.

Bronsky

 

It has now been confirmed that the battery is as large and ugly as feared. Someone at sweclockers posted some pictures of the 3820TG with 9 cell battery here. It looks really bad...

 

yes i know this, but the problem is where i live we only get 5470...
ah and take a look at this Toshiba 13"

 

It has to be the 5650 without a doubt, or else stick the Intel HD.

Review as expected, and remarkably similar as the German counterpart...

Good battery life, performance, weight.
Bad screen and keyboard.

Well Acer, ball's in your court. Get it to the UK with the i5 and 5650 by the end of May and I'll give you some monies! Or you can mess about and we can go away and buy the new HP Envy 14's...

EDIT: Those 9 cell batteries have been pictured before from one of the Italian sites a month or so ago. They look pretty bad and the extra weight sort of reduces the portability of the laptop so nullifies the need of a larger battery... plus it looks ugly

 

If the rest of the specs are right for you. I would buy it, order a 6 cell battery and sell the 9 cell on ebay. I'm sure somebody will want it as a backup battery.

Bronsky

Reading a translation of the Il Diavilo (link at #2427) advertisement, the distributer indicated that these will not be shipped outside Germany. So, in Germany, a basic 4820TG I5-430M/HD5650 costs $965 USD and the I7-620M/SSD costs $1,585 USD. $620 difference?

 

Yes but they don't mention anything about the GPU on the Toshiba. If it only has Intel integrated graphics then it's a non-starter in this particular game.

 

It will definitively have an integrated gpu.. Otherwise, judging on the pictures, it will be the best laptop of the century

@anybody: besides overpriced MBP and Vaios, is there any 13" with a good screen around? Ul30Jt doesn't seem to do it, although the contrast ratio it's said to be 193:1. Sad to see how notebookcheck confirmed the bad 3820 screen.
Funny thing is that I remember seen the previous timeline series in a shop. As I recall, the screen seemed quite good to me. How did they end up like that? Why would they change the supply? Not much of an economy of scale.

Also, I wonder if bronsky is still waiting patiently after reading about the bad keyboard..

 

Still here - waiting patiently. My guess is that the keyboard will be a lot like my 1410T. I am used to it now and my speed has significantly increased. The 3820TG keyboard should provide more room and be even more user friendly. As far as the display is concerned, I would like more brightness and contrast but other manufacturers seem to be retreating from high powered 13" units. The Envy 13 is being phased out by HP. Dell took its Studio 13 off the market (it would have likely had a good display) and nothing Dell offers has a GPU as good as the 3820TG. Acer seems to have a niche of its own, at least for the time being.

Bronsky

There's no way they fit a discrete GPU in that Toshiba. Looks great though.

 

It is so painful...waiting...it's almost the end of the world and no timelinex yet in the horizon...guess I'll just wait for an asteroid to hit ny.

 

i hope for a GOOD discrete gpu

 

Just don't look up!
That TOSHIBA looks pretty hot, now if only the specs are as good is it looks.

 

Yup...it's bound to fail...with the capital F...hardware or pocket.

 

after reading more than 200pgs of this thread ... i am unsubscribing after reading the HP envy news

 

im not going that far, but im definitely leaning towards the envy 14

 

I am confident that Acer will be a better machine due to smaller size and better heat management.

 

if i was in the market for the 4820TG id be right behind you fellows. the envy 14 is droolworthy!

come on 3820!

 

If I hadn't already bought a laptop, I'd be tempted by somewhat higher overall quality of the Envy compared to the Acer, particularly the higher-resolution screen. The Acer is likely to be better if gaming is the highest priority, though, because in that regard the higher resolution of the Envy works against it.

 

The 3820TG is still the better notebook for my purposes. If I was looking at a larger notebook, I would be looking at the Envy 14 or the DV5. If I am defaulted into the Envy or the DV5 because I run out of time, I can probably live with that. Who knows what else will come along while we're waiting. Maybe the long lost Dell Studio XPS 13. For my purposes the 13" size, 4 lb weight and GPU/CPU combination are the deciding factors keeping me waiting for the 3820TG. If this thread is any indication, Acer is loosing a lot of potential custormers because of its inability to get its product to market while demand was at its peak. Classic economics.

Bronsky

 

After deciding to get a laptop 2 months back , i realized that there is no such thing as a perfect laptop . The acer timelineX had most of things to be 'the ONE' . But the main problem for me is laptop availability in India .

Dell -->High ends,premium laptops available without a price premium . Most of the time dell india laptop and upgrade prices are cheaper than Dell US.
Acer -->Mostly availble
Sony -->Too much price premium for higher end that spoils the deal
HP --> Envy is not available

@Bronsky - it was great to read your posts
@Jay - dont worry you will be happy later today

 

I'm starting to hesitate for real now. First I wanted the Asus ul30jt, but then I realised that 3820TG is much more value for the money. But as only 3820TG is available with 9-cell battery where I live (really big and impractical), I'm not really sure what to do. Should I go for the 4820TG model or wait several more months for HP? Does the 4820TG have heating issues?

Any advice please

 

Buy the 3820TG and get a 6 cell from Ebay?