[Guide] 580m GTX throtting fix. No need to modify system Bios.

Please take a picture of your heatsink. Attach it here so we can have a gander.

 

Mine does the same thing when using the modded .92v vbios. I use the unlocked A04 BIOS, which eliminates the low throttle point (power throttle) completely, but with the modded vbios, the thermal throttle is also eliminated and replaced by shutdown when temps hit 78-79C. With the stock Dell A01 vbios, which added the P1 state and is the base for the modded vbios, the 580M throttles at the same temps, but kicks down all the way to P8, ignoring the new P1 state completely. Odd behavior. The issue is mostly academic because temps rarely approach the thermal shutdown point except in Furmark, which I avoid except for this purpose.

 

Hmm...I'm not using this method and I'm also using the blind flash method. I use the old 0.92v vbios. One without a P1 entry. I went from A04 and blind flashed to unlocked A08. I still hit the 79C throttle but I don't shut down. Just really bad throttle.

My advice, if you use the blind flash method, do not use this modded vbios. I'll supply you with the old one if anyone wants.

Currently I'm using my very own 0.92v vbios with clocks @700/1500/1400. Only P12, P8 and P0. No P1.

 

Widezu69, how about sending me that old original vbios and also your custom vbios (700-1500-1400)? I'll play further. +Rep when allowed.

How's this for a throttle line (stock A01 vbios)?

 

Guys, just to let you know I am now running a Dell GTX580M revision 3.0 in my MS16F2 and didnt see any throttle at all (temps 90ish due to too thick thermal pads)

So a Dell GTX580m will be working fine on any other laptops than the M17xR3

 

Good to hear! Have fun. It is an absolute screamer!

 

Hey Rev, I've attached a zip with 3 different roms inside. All based on the old A00 vbios. They are for people using the blind flash method, not the method in the first post of this thread.

3 vbioses are all @0.92V
620/1500/1240 (stock)
700/1500/1400 (mild OC, what I am using now)
750/1500/1500 (higher OC, stable for more hardcore games like Arkham City and Metro 2033)

Have fun!

 

Thanks, my friend. Looking forward to trying these.

Is a version of Nibitor now available that works with the 580M or do you have someone whipping up o/c'ed vbios for you?

 

Hey, I got my M17x in mid December, it came in on like December 14th. It has the 580m with a 3D screen too. It came with the A09 bios on it, and I wanted to ask if this fix for throttling works with the A09 or should I just go ahead and flash to the modded A08 instead? Thanks for the help, I'm trying to fix my fps on The Witcher 2.

 

This particular fix in the first page will work with any bios. What people must understand is we are dealing with vbios (probably gonna start changing that to rom now) which is independent of any system bios.

@Rev no, nibitor does not support the 580m yet, I ask Saltius to make me these bioses. He's pretty quick in responding.

 

Oh, ok I just wanted to make sure that the system bios didn't have any effect on anything. I'm relatively new to all this and still trying to learn. Thanks.

 

Was the throttle officially fixed?
I got my new system in jan
I played the witcher 2 on high for a while and didn't notice any throtttle or fram drops, the fans kicked into high though

 

Hi,
I have recently changed from a nvidia geforce gtx 460m to the 580m and I am having throttling problems. My laptop is an Alienware m17x R3. I have never flashed GPU before so I do not know how to use nvflash, can you please give me your contact information (yahoo messenger or email) so that you can help me use successfully get rid of the throttle?
Thanks.

 

Just follow the guide, use the USB booting method, it is very easy and every step is laid out. You want to flash the 580m.rom bios for throttle removal, the other is for overclocking. If you have questions post here.

 

In my alienie 2760qm I later processor and after installing an invisible method biosu_04 unlocked via the USB finger to my surprise I removed the throttle and stupid Entire mode P1 )
Malo, the system works perfectly )
I went ahead and unlocked again later bios_A8 I installed this same invisible usb method and now I use the older GTX580M vbios trybu_P1 without that stupid )
Only thanks to this method, I got rid of the absolute suppression even in furmarku )
Oh I can confirm that with newer processors can safely upload to as many senior bios_a04 unlocked )
Then later unlocked bios_A08 above )

 

Just played Battlefield 3 perfectly with no problem. Go to play Arkham city and the fps are so low and it is lagging real bad. So opened up Nvidia Inspector and the current clock is not going above 74mhz for some reason. Already did the throttle fix obviously since I played BF3 10 minutes ago. Tried to run Furmark and its getting 4-5 fps. My video card is on the dedicated graphics mode. I do not understand this. Any ideas?

 

nevermind fixed it

 

+rep to widezu69...
I hadn't noticed the throttling issue before until a long gaming session last night.
Easy-peezy vbios change and the first throttle stop is fixed, now I need to address the Temp throttle...guess it's time for a re-paste.

What is the paste of choice...4 out of 5 gamers/oc'ers recommend??

 

Please tell us what you fixed, and maybe someone else with the same problem would know what to do.

 

I did everything and my laptop worked better but it still couldn't get rid of the throttle completely. Do I need to replace my heatsink in order for the throttle to completely go away? And if i do can someone tell me the heatsink for GTX 580M.Now i modified A04 then I flashed to A08 unlocked, but throttling still not removed . Help me please mind is Alienware m17xr3 3D,help me please

 

What is P1 P2 ? can u please more explain ? Thanks

 

Hello widezu69,

Let me first thank you for your throttle fix, it worked great for me as the first throttle completely disappeared.

As I am currently experiencing some graphic glitches after some overclocking (765Mhz/1800) I was wondering if the switching to the overvolted bios was really worth it...

Being constrained with the 77° throttle I was wondering how much of a temp increase I would experience? As I never overvolted a GPU before, can it have any other advert effect on my GPU?

Thanks!

 

Hi Ikara, the overvolted vbios will help with reducing the artifacts. 765Mhz on stock is really good you have a good sample there. Overvolting will increase temps. You could try a repaste and elevate the back of your laptop for increased airflow and cooling efficiency.

In the end, it all comes down to you'll never know until you try.

 

I have run the vBios flash and it seems to install fine.

Question is how can I tell the power throttle is gone?

Reason is with a raised back running fur-mark 1.9.1 using the full screen option 8xAA and running it for 360 seconds, with GPU-Z running in the background, I only reach a temp of 70c max. Is this normal?

Voltage seems to stay at 0.87v and the clock stays at 620mhz according to fur-mark and the GPU-Z graph (as far as I can tell).

What is the indicator for a fixed power throttle, voltage, freq???

 

It is fixed, it throttles around 63c normally, so if you made it to 70c at full speed then you are all good.

 

YodaGoneMad is right. It is fixed. Now enjoy and play a game. Let us know how you get on.

 

Do we have an estimate on how many users have burned their GPUs due to the overvolted VBIOS?

Or is it just you, Brother widezu?

 

No it's just me. I've seen many users using overvolted vbios 580m's for longer than me without problems. I just pushed mine a bit too far...

 

The fact that you're the only one gives me the impression that it might not have been the overvolt that killed your card?

But then again, can you eleborate on 'too far'?
I'm interested in how many benchmarks you ran a day, etc.

 

Well I benched everyday to see how far I could push my CPU. My GPU ended up paying for it as there were many shut downs and BSODs and I guess the GPU was getting all kinds of power flushes etc.

It finally died when running BF3 @800/1800, the clocks which I had when I gamed without exception. Must have stressed it pretty hard.

 

Probably the memory, the core has lots of safeguards to prevent it from damaging itself, but the memory has no safeguards at all. If you are pushing the memory too hard or it is getting too hot you might not know anything is wrong until it fails.

That is part of why I am only OCing the core these days, not worth the tiny boost of OCing memory.

 

widezu69, it does not seem that anyone responded to your request.

Guys, if any of you are having the problem with secondary throttling around 76-78°C with your GTX 580M, please post a couple of photos of your GPU heat sink. We need to have a look at them. Please help if you know how to access the inside of your R3 for the photos.

Thanks in advance.

 

Some users have received the wrong heatsink before. Also the 78c throttles down the idle clocks therefore changing those will basically be letting the GPU run at max speed all the time which isn't a great idea. Some people have experimented with this and unfortunately, at 78C it just crashes.

 

Hi Guys,
i would like to confimr i was using 0.92v of bios and my GPU died... Now all i'm doing is usnig original Dell GPU Bios Version A0 becase it does not have P0-P1 and P2 state only P0 and P1 i.e 2D clocks and 3D Clocks...and using HWinfo with low Level I/O acess and setting overclocking fan speed to 4500 RPM when it reaches 60°C+ temps (it goes about 4200RPm only as max still...) so throttling goes completely even when temp goes above 78°C+ You will get DPC latency in game every minute or so but will not effect much of gaming don't use latest version because latency goes worse...Download the version recommended from here if you get more stable version then post...

Regards!

 

Bump - for those that can, please posts photos of your GTX 580M and heat sink. Thanks!

 

just a little ot:
nice to see that ones posts get deleted without even notifying...must be the american way *thumbs up*

 

Great guide Widezu thank you so much

 

No problem... just needed to eliminate a misinformed direct response to my post that could possibly mislead the Community. As always, glad to help... that's the "American Way" *two thumbs up* Mods don't need to notify anyone before editing or deleting a post, but a friendly PM to ask why if you're curious is always warmly welcomed.

There is no difference between the GTX 580M installed in the M17xR3 and the M18x. They are the exact same video card. The M18x does not have the "78°C throttle" problem. You can go higher than 78°C with zero evidence of throttling on the M18x. Connecting the dots, the problem is not the video card. Something else needs to be fixed.

Dell/Alienware is watching this thread. I requested members post photos of their GTX580M heat sinks. They are interested in helping resolve the throttle issue. If you guys are happy to live with the 78°C throttle problem forever, you can disregard the request. I don't have any details and cannot answer any questions on behalf of Dell/Alienware, just passing along their request for photos of the heatsinks.

 

since the heatsink is a mechanical part without any electric connection to the systemboard/gpu/whatsoever, may i ask how a m17x- or m18x-system knows which heatsink is used and therefore decides whever to throttle the gpu at 78°C or not? sorry for my ignorance, but im having a hard time understanding this from a logical point of view (based on your comment that it is NOT a video-card problem).

 

No no, Mr Fox is saying that the 78C throttle is not built into in GPU itself. It is in the system bios therefore regardless of what ever version of 580m you use, it will still throttle.

Dell reps are asking about heatsinks as they reckon some users have received the 560m heatsink which has less copper and might be less efficient than the correct one hence higher temps.

 

Thanks, widezu69. Correct... it's not a video card problem.

 

widezu69 can this really harm my gear? you said changing bios and vbios can be dangereous but the thread title says its without changing them...

sry im not that smart in all this...

 

Is it possible to 'undo' the throttle fix? I can imagine a 30% loss at 63°C is better than the performance drop at 77°C

 

Of course you can undo it. Just reflash the A01 vbios from here -- Drivers and Downloads | Dell [United States] -- or from the backup you made when you flashed the modded throttle-fix vbios. Even better is no performance drop at all.

 

You can undo it easily, but you will get the 77c throttle no matter what, this fix doesn't cause it. If you just flash the .87 volt modified bios then your card should not generate a significant amount more heat, so you shouldn't hit 77c more often, and you will never have to put up with losing 30% at 63c.

 

The point is, my m17x will never get to 77°C if there is a throttle at 63°C. I've tested it in furmark and the temperature will immediatly go down when it reaches 63° and clocks back to 475mhz.

Btw, I made some logs with hwinfo64 while doing some benchmarks and playing a few games and the m17x never throttled anyway. The ambient temperature in my home is a around 18-19°C (even in the summer ).

 

Then you are probably good to go, I honestly would just forget about Furmark, I think it killed my first card and I have now sworn it off. It is really a pretty useless benchmark, as it doesn't reflect anything real.

 

Yeah if you no longer have the 63C throttle and never reach the 77C throttle in real world situations, then it is time to forget about Furmark and just enjoy your system

 

How about posting a copy of that Dell 580m vbios A0 to allow some further testing? Thanks.

 

Hi,
I flash the vbios of My 580m with the vbios mod, vcore 0,92volt.

I have a problem: now the GPU stay always in p0 state at max clock and vcore... Why? For Windows there is Intel integrated graphics. The 580m must go at 75mhz @ 0,80v....

What can i do?

Sorry for My poor english.