[Guide] 580m GTX throtting fix. No need to modify system Bios.

There's another thread here indicating that the 0.92 volt bios is smoking cards left and right. You might regret running that vBIOS.

 

I am forced to use the original vbios?

There is no chance to use mod vbios ?

 

Just use the .87 volt one, it fixes the throttle, you can still get a 20+% OC, and it won't kill your card.

The .92v is killing cards left and right.

 

is it the vbios and .92v? Or is it some people are overclocking to outrageous values? In past experience ive learned an undervolt is more dangerous than an overvolt. Since undervolting brings you close to max speed allowed for a certain volts... if chip degrades a little and same volt isnt enough it can cause the gpu to be unbootable. Happened to an 6970m pair i had. 5870m can overvolt like 580m it did wonders and never broke my card. I got easy into 935 core and DR650SE kept his cool via dry ice and scored a few benches at 1ghz core... the 5870m's werent smoked. So if a user is careful .92v. Nothing is without its risks. Perhaps those same people set not only .92v but attempted to boot windows at a high overclock. The veterans here use a gaming overclock to boot via vbios and the .92v then once in windows they raise overclock... System crashes and clocks are back to gaming ones thats the safe way any other way is not as safe.

 

The archive in the OP has both the regular and the overvolted one. I have also issued a warning. I honestly have no idea why people use the 0.92v one and run it at stock.

 

hello perhaps in nvidia control panel under global settings if performance is set you may see top clocks more often than wanted you can try it on balanced

 

nVIDIA Control Panel is set on adaptive.

I use the last driver 295.51 BETA.... may be their fault?

For the game, overclock to 800/1600 for gpu and shader, 1750 for Memory, is exaggerated? cause the death of the video card?

Thank you!

 

According to the other thread, there were cards smoked using the 0.92 volt vBIOS with no overclocking.

Here is the other thread... It just reiterated to me that I should never ever use that vBIOS. I just use the regular modified one.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/alienware-m17x/645409-dead-580m-using-92v-vbios.html

 

he said to have used a lot Furmark....

Furmark breaks vga....

Also there is no problem if the card is able to go from P0 to P8 state. When you don't play the card go at 75Mhz of gpu clock @0,80V. The problem is that it does. Remains in the P0 state. This is the bug.

 

okay i see. As next person mentions if this person used furrmark a lot thatvwould be part of the issue. Seems its a non issue for eveyrone i know using it and just gamong normal but if someone is nervous stick to stock volts...

 

I flash the original vbios.... but when gpu enter in P0 state, It does not come back in P8 state, even if I leave the notebook on desktop; without touching nothing.

how is it possible?

 

I experienced the same hanging of P0 clocks regardless of load when using the 295.51 beta drivers. After dropping back to the 290.53 betas, the hanging P0 state disappeared, and the 580M returned to normal operation. Also, one of the benefits of the 580M power is that you don't really need to overstress it to get awesome performance. The only real need for .92v is to support extreme benching efforts. Try reverting to the stock .87v with clocks reduced to 750/1700(850)/1500. In my R3 that combination produces ~P4100 in 3dMark11 with max temps of 63C and ~P17000 in Vantage with max temps of 67C. That level of performance can easily handle most needs with little or no stress. I suspect it's Furmark that is primarily responsible for the death of 580M's which seems to have broken out recently. You'll recall that Nvidia desktop drivers include OCP protection triggered only when Furmark and a few similar test apps are run which prevents damage caused by excess current/power draw.

 

tHats strange im not familiar with possibilities but when i overclocked amd crossfire i had to disable ulps which worked like that and caused same issue... 3d clocks always running causing extra heat out of game. So i am unsure as the amd disabling of ulps is done on purpose on dual card setup to allow both to be overclocked. So not sure but you could try another driver...

Revelator i couldnt agree more with what you said

 

true.....................

 

With bios 0.92v2 and driver 290.xx the trotthling is at 78 *c

With this setting is impossible to stay at 800mhz in 3D...

 

so its a different throttle temp on the newer driver and .92v version one or am i reading that wrong?

 

I am sure of what I wrote.

Should I try the 295

 

LOL! With 295.xx the max temperature is 72°C at 800Mhz @ 0,92V with better performance in Skyrim than 290.xx at same clock!

Too bad not working on Pstate in 295.xx

nVIDIA has a lot of problem with driver....

What do you think about that?

Now, I go with battery to mantein the P8 state with 295.xx

 

Is there a way to manually choose the p-state of the gpu?

 

For info, this is the way to fix of p-state of 295.xx:

With nvgpupro I disabled powermizer for Intel Graphics Chip.
With Powermizer I set GTX580M in P12 state.

This remedy works, but I hope there will be a fix in the next driver.

 

Imho one reason of death of 580M is the poor management of the P-State.

The card was always to 0.92 V

 

yeah your right your onto something maybe like you said the combo of that driver and the .92v is causing the issue of dead 580m your right it would cause excessive heat all the time. Nice thinking i think your onto something. Neat about p12

 

I came to that conclusion yesterday as well, I reckon that 0.92v GPUs were pegged at full speed for too long.

 

much agreed and probably from that driver thats been mentioned. Someone already make this evident to Nvidia that cards arent dropping speed to stay cool on idle with that driver?

Gpus are similar to cpus in that same mhz and load and ambient temp... Given only different volts .87v and .92v even at stock speeds the wattage pulled through is higher on the .92v gauranteed an nobody is sitting here monitoring power draw. Anyway in addition to that if under same hypothetical scenario if heat is increased (ambient and under load) the .87v will see more than 100 watts draw but nowheres near the watts the .92v card would be and since that driver isnt allowing lower power states very quickly would the temps become a prob and .92v at this point would be causing a large power draw. Not to say no one should use .92v but seems those who were sure they kept the cards extra cool like Johnkss using 890core on 3dmark11 and .92v you can see the issue is those not taking care of the high temps and running them like this anyway. .92v is not the issue at this point but running hot and using .92v is asking for a dead gpu. Haha is say dont be a fool stay cool on .92v or or if hot .92v not

 

I have had the same. I reverted back to 290.53.

 

i havent even used a flashed bios yet but on that driver i can confirm its on stock 3d clocks even on the desktop. Good thinking Widezu

 

the latest whql driver 295.73 is working with adaptive set in control panel to allow the cards to downclock properly.

 

i followed the guide but when i try to drag the nvflash into the cmd box it dosent appear in the cmd box nothign actually happens

 

Use command prompt and use "cd c:/nvflash" command hit enter once there type the commands needed to flash make sure you put nvflash files in a folder on c: called nvflash

Been using 295.73 whql a.d on desktop at idle no probs going into P8 for media use or 3d clocks battery and P12 for idle and internet browsing etc... Its those of you that find its not letting you go into lower clocks and .80v like Revelator was getting at. So for me having now issues anymore in anything on latest driver and runs cool for the clocks as mentioned.

 

hey im having some trouble with your method to disable the throttling. im not comand prompt friendly iv never used it, when i drag the nvflash to the window nothing happens. anything im doing wrong?

 

I dont drag the file you must use the commands noted in this first post of this thread please reread the directions on post one of this thread. You place the files in a folder and run command prompt and point to the folder with that cd command which means change directory... Its all noted in first post.

 

@Widezu, another great help! Thanks! +1 Rep

 

For those interested, I can customise any vbios for any user. If anyone wants specific clocks, just post here, or PM me and I can provide you with a custom modded vbios

 

Hey widezu69, if I applied the 580m bios in your throttling fix v2, I no longer have to worry about Optimus, it'll be disabled, correct? Since the laptop sits on the desk, I don't need optimus for anything.

 

No this fix does nothing to optimus. Optimus function will be normal.

 

That's awesome, bro. +1 rep.

I just sent you a PM asking for your advice on something.

 

THankksssss!!!1 +rep

 

just to clarify some things

if i wanted to remove this fix then all i would have to do is reflash the vbios from the alienware page?

is the p1 state only used during 3d gaming? was it specifically created as a power state to lower temps?

 

No the P1 state is only the throttle state. P8 is the lower power one and is untouched. Yeah just flash back and all will be reverted.

 

will this work with a nvidia 560m?

 

The GTX 560M doesn't need it

 

how do i restore my bios via the backup? i feel like upgrade has dropped my FPS in games.

(i do have the backup.rom i just don't know how to install it or whatever..!)

 

Do the same procedure, but don't make another backup (as this will backup the current vBIOS installed and overwrite the real backup)

Type in the following to flash:
nvflash -4 -5 -6 backup.rom

 

okay, that's what i thought, and is what i did. then i rebooted windows and it said there was an error and it wanted to try to repair, so i let it do that. it then eventually said windows couldn't repair it, so I was just thinkin' something might have gone wrong. xD

 

Mis-post. Disregard

 

Hey guys.. after I did the backup thing. I need to enter the name of vbios right? After I entered 580m.rom it says that the file is some kind of error or it cannot read the "580m.rom file" please help me

 

Have you actually downloaded the file? Follow the instructions to the T and you will be fine.

 

Both Nvidia Desktop Mod. 301.10 WHQL and Beta Verde 301.24 are overvolting (0.92 V.)with the regular Mod. Rom (0.87 V.) with stock clocks, when overclocking with Inspector Voltage drops to 0.87 V.

Is there anyone with the original dell VBIOS having the same behaviour?

 

what do you mean?? new driver overvolts our cards??

 

j95, please show use some GPUz graphs detailing this.

Thanks