580M Is Available for the M17x

I was totally kidding when i commented on that whole 2x performance thing lol.

I got an email this morning from someone who said hey the 580 is out and its 2x faster then your 6970 at which point i LOL'd....

For it to be truly 2x faster then my card it would have to be 2x faster in everything and it aint plus it would have to score oh 24,000 in vantage on the GPU score which it wont .

 

Jerry's NBR article has an Nvidia claim of the GTX 580M's performance being up to 20% better per watt than the GTX 485M....keywords being per watt.

A middle of the road guess would be that the GTX 580M is 5-10% faster than the GTX 485M in actual FPS gains at a 10% lower TDP....so ~90W instead of 100W.

 

Hi guys, I just wanted to confirm that I have been in touch with a sales agent in Canada and the 580M can be bought in Canada on the m17xr3 even though the site doesn't list it as an option yet (just like the ATI 6970M).

I can not believe this... went to order a m17x on the 23rd with the ATI card and now this is out...

 

Spoke with my Dell rep and the price is way higher than I thought - with the GTX 580. Looks like I might be keeping the ATI after all

 

Yeah let me see some benchmarks then ill start getting excited but till then meh that whole on paper thing is garbagex2.

I will say though for how much Nvidia charges for there mobile cards they should be ALOT faster .

 

It's a bug.

 

For Nvidia fans this is a huge upgrade over the 460 that's currently being offered. Be nice if Dell would get this thing running 3D like its speced to do...

 

Sager has said that the 'no 3D' issue is simply down to the 3D-certified drivers not yet supporting the 580M.

If you wait a little while, Nvidia should get an update out pretty soon.

 

I guess it scores 16,000 on the GPU in Vantage so if thats the case its a 4k upgrade over the 6970 which is very beastly .

Its tempting but yeah ill have to wait and see all the final scores in everything before deciding .

Either way its nice to have a notebook that has the choice .

 

Well when I checked a little while ago Dell still wouldn't let you choose the 3D screen option if you had the 580m selected as your GPU. So there's another obstacle besides drivers.

 

i dont understand everybody's fascination of 3D they already tried this once (anybody remember the Asus V3800(Nvidea geforce 2) and the Msi Geforce 3 TI 500) owned both and it never took so why now

 

Because the game support is there now, and most titles do support 3D Vision to some extent. AMD is still sitting on their thumbs with HD3D. The best part about the Nvidia solution is that Nvidia makes everything for it; The drivers and the hardware. AMD simply chooses to outsource to iZ3D for their driver support which can make things frustrating for OEM's and consumers.

 

I actually don't care (much) about the 3D. I do care about the slightly better specs (mainly brightness) on the 120 Hz screen though, for my photoshop work. My goal is to get the best display I can possibly get on this thing. Ideally, they would let me upgrade to the R2's display...

 

well you could youse the 3D option on like everything from playing games watch movies even browse the web with the way old Asus V3800 no special screen, no special movie player so this is better how (i know it was 2d to 3d convertion but still)

 

I agree completely!!!

I will just wait for AMDs next mobile card, and get it or save tons and get the 6970m at that point..

 

Because Nvidia is making the product and has total support for it versus the mistake that Asus made many years ago with their graphics cards. Asus was the only manufacturer at the time that tried their rendition of 3D Virtual Reality and it failed due to poor presentation and poor performance because of the TNT platform.

Sadly Asus is trying to do the same thing again with the G53SX.

 

well im sure it was Nvidia who made the cards as Asus was not the only one who had a 3D card out Msi and other manufacture's also had several cards out.

 

Nvidia doesn't make the cards, they only supply the GPU's to the manufacturers. I'm sure that any rendition of 3D being made back in those days was something done by the manufacturer as a marketing gimmick.

 

3DMark Vantage - P GPU no PhysX 1280x1024
Clevo X7200 980X EE 6144 MB 2048MB GDDR5 280,07

-13315

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580M - Notebookcheck.net Tech
Not that big of a deal if you ask me, and certainly questionable value for the extra $$

 

Don`t worry guys. AMD will come out with 6990M with 10MHz faster GPU that they know the details of 580M. They just had to wait and see what Nvidia did first

 

Yeah i was sent a PM from someone telling me it was 16k on the GPU but now that i saw the score i could care less about it ..

Its a good score but with a tiny overclock on my card i can hit that and leave it so its of no use to me ..

As i said i love Nvidia and i run there GPUs in my Desktop along with a 27inch 120hz 3d Monitor(love it) but on the mobile front they just charge to bloody much period .

If i had a 460m M17xR3 i would be drooling all over the 580m announcement though (except the price ).

 

jesus christ, waken up, the 560m is a slightly overclocked 460m, it was never going to be an upgrade, the 580m just manages to sit with the 485m ....... only just, but a definate upgrade, now there must be a bios update also for this card to work in 3d

 

You do realize that 580M is just as much "upgrade" as 560M is right? 580M is just a overclocked 485M too...

 

well that is just complete and utter bull.... what are these people doing, I'm now getting pretty pissed off with dell and nvidia that they are putting so many boundaries around this 3D issue, I strongly believe this is a licencing issue from nvidia, nvidia will not allow oem's to enable 3d unless they pay a premium....................................only applies to laptops


seriously ................................DELL OR NVIDIA NEED TO TAKE A LONG HARD LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE DOING WITH 3D, THIS IS REALLY PISSING ME OFF

 

580M supports 3D. Clevo is doing some driver verifications right now to 580M and will offer 3D laptops with it soon. Alienware should have no problem following this, and it would be a shame to not offer a GPU that is capable of producing enough FPS to play hardcore games with 3D

 

NO Because there needs to be a bios upgrade for this card to work in 3D with 120hz screen, IT BETTER HAPPEN

 

the card supports 3D just the same as the 460m...........I wish people would get with the program here and stop posting BS

 

Why are you guys mouthing off on 3D? Talking about the failure of "back then" is irrelevant as technology increases in folds and not at a snail's pace. In addition, the market and PR has been embrace and encouraged by many "leading" companies in the gaming and electronics industry.

It's still young now but will mature even faster now that competition is abundant. Be grateful that it is the way it is now and hope for more. Many of you realize that Nintendo and Sony have their own non-glasses handheld and most TV's are 3D or are capable of 3D. 3D can be amazing if done properly and horrible if done like Air Bender the movie. It has been around probably even before some of you were even born.

In any case, whatever your feelings about the technology it's here, it's supported, consumers aren't bother by it as much anymore and it can only move us forward. When you realize this, wanting it to simply fail because you don't like it seems selfish for someone who owes their powerful system due to this trends.

 

No, it's just that they aren't going to offer it, until Nvidia gets the driver out.

 

The FUD is pure "I support a certain GPU manufacturer, and I'm trying to make you switch" crap. Sorry guys, I see a certain GPU manufacturer still twiddling it's thumbs while dealing with a lack of funds to get started.

 

it is not a huge upgrade over the 460m because people that chose the 460m wanted 3D, if this configuration does not support 3d then dell have seriously pissed many people off and probably lost huge market share to competition


if i believed they would introduce a more powerful nvidia card but not support the 120hz 3d then my money would have gone elsware

 

I went to check something for the m17x, and now I get this message:

"Sorry, but this item (m17x) is no longer available for purchase online. Please contact your sales representative for details on how to order."

 

Perhaps they are fixing the configuration tool for 580m + 120 Hz screen.

 

it is nothing to do with drivers, it is to do with dell enableing it in a bios update for 3d

 

If that is the case - I am in for 1

However my budget is going south after that though...lol

 

You could not configure the machine with the 120hz 3d display thats all people are/were saying so NO BS.

You seem awfully defensive about though lol.

 

not without a bios upgrade !!!!!!!!!!!

 

defensive ? no - I'm pissed off they would upgrade the nvidia option but not enable it for 3D.........I have the glasses

 

And i agree its a sad state they would offer one without the other but its something they can certainly offer down the road if not right away.

I think Dell was ready to launch the card whether it was ready for 120hz 3d displays which makes sense cause MSI,CLEVO etc were all going to release it regardless of the 120hz offering.


Sager claims its nothing more then a driver issue on Nvidias end and it might be and nothing more but i guess until its 100% certain its all going to work fine together Dell does not want to offer it ?.

 

Well they can still let people order them. There's plenty of time for the BIOS update between now and whatever the ship date ends up being for those configurations.

 

My hopes are still high as the online ordering has gone down. Perhaps they are rectifying things and allowing us to order the 580m GTX with 3D? Fingers crossed!

 

Wait, you have a 6990m? That must be a joke, right?

 

serious its not gone forward it has actually gone backwards 3D was more capable then.
Today you need a special monitor, screen, tv thats 3D caplable, special cables and special software to watch movies in 3D.

Then you could youse any monitor, screen or tv and it worked and it also yoused active 3D glasses like it does today.

So as i se it they are selling the same old 3D but only crippled.

You call that progress i dont what i would have called progress was if Non 3D glas tv's came 6+ years ago but not now not 12+ years after the first attempt at 3D.

Still young the Asus V3800 is like 12+ years old.

Im youdst wondering why people are so IT's got to be 3D capable, and "i dont know how i could ever have lived without it".

And by the way i likede the 3D thing back then.

 

I just got off the phone with a rep and he stated that the 580 would not get 3d at this time due to issues in the hardware.

 

Did he say if it was ever going to be enabled? If current customers find the 3d screen option available in a couple months after ordering it with the 580m sh*ts gonna get real.

 

According to what he said - they tried to get it to work a few months back, but due to hardware issues it won't be enabled anytime soon...if ever. I really hate it too cause I cancelled my order just to get the 3D with the 580. Now I may just go with the 580 instead of the 6970.

:/

 

Sigh. 3D capability has not gone backwards. It has moved forward and spread into other directions due to new technologies such as displays. We see that, as I've mentioned, with the Vita and DS 3D without the use of glasses. All of your bullets points was of newer technology, not the old blue/green glasses that were more available from the old Hitchcock movie to Michael Jackson's Captain Neo. Even the 3D technology itself has moved forward requiring those special equipments you've mentioned.

It only appears to have gone backward because of what is currently new, available and being marketed. Your disappointment and many others here are because of the lack of progress being made in those fields, like NVidia. And that's ok, but like I said with more attention and development maybe we'll have 3D without all these clunkers like glasses, cables and cards.

It is NOT the same 3D. Hitchcock was black and white, which like I said was probably before some of you were even born. That is to say more than 12+ years. For video games, well I bought my first Amiga500 in 1985 so that should tell you of the timeline.

You mistake my comment of the technology still being young. It doesn't matter if the tech is 100 years old. The tech is still young because development has not progress much, as you rightly so agree. But again, with the attention and somewhat favorable consumer acceptance it will only get better.

Liking the 3D back then, I'm taking you mean the red/blue glasses, is no different than the attention 3D is getting today. I don't know what you judge your opinions on but it had the same problems as the 3D tech is having today. Consumers complain about headaches, dizziness, blurriness, etc. So if you like it back then you should like the same 3D now.

As for video game 3D that hasn't gotten much interest. Again, back then you have the hardware of that age and were somewhat limited, both by the hardware and the software. Even now there aren't many that can claim expertise in programming for 3D. Can you? I programmed even parallel programming but I have 0 clue about programming for 3D. How many resources are available for reference in this field?

The reason I mention the progress curve of computer technology is because, as you realize I'm sure, 12 years ago one year leap exponentially for CPU, storage, video and so forth. But these were because of demands by the consumers...*cough... users*. This is why we're at where we are today with PC's costing $500 and doing almost everything.

To sum up, whether we're talking about film 3D or video game TV the pace has been slow. There's no argument about that. The number of years does not dictate the maturity of the tech, it's the maturity of the tech that does (imo). My point wasn't to stir more trouble and arguments but merely to point out that with the acceptance of 3D and competition we are sure to end up with something fantastic as we had with PCs, maybe even something entirely new. Most of you I'm sure agree with this as I ended my last reply with that statement.

Why would you hate for any 3D to succeed? This similar question has been asked many times, concerning technology, only to be proven wrong time and time again. The 2Gig barrier, 3D software, HD graphics, storage space (HD, flash drives, etc.) and one of the most recent motion control. I have yet to meet one person that had agree with me that Nintendo's gamble would work out. But that's quite alright indeed. The benefit to us all is that Microsoft has it's Kinect and it is a marvelous revolution for motion control. As an Engineer I was both surprise and amazed. That people is what we should be hoping for...

not arguing whether you "like" or "hate" 3D. That kind of discussion puts you, me and everyone to shame here at NBR. I'm saying this only because this crowd seems above this type of discussion, aside from the video card wars.

 

Whether people like it or not, 3D is the future for both gaming and movies. Maybe not in it's current form, but you really think they'd let go of that extra dimension? Done right it really adds to the user experience.

 

Just wait till they are to use the 4th dimension That would be interesting...

Anyway - back on topic

 

I thought people would be a little bit more excited but now that its out people are standing by their orders and objectifying against it.