M17X-R4 with GTX 1080 GDDR5X 8GB

Might as well wait , but it will be a long wait lol.

Back top topic: I flashed all the vbios that I could find and still no luck.

So as of now :

1)We can run PEG with external monitor
2) Run SG Mode with internal screen with non edp screen.

 

it sounds like form reading that at the least eDP may not be enabled in the vbios possibly along with a few other features missing. while on the subject, i was told upgrading to a 1070 would disable the m17x R4's VGA port, is this due to lack for RAMDAC on on the 1070 / 1080?

 

I agree edp is not enabled , it would have made the upgrade easier if it was enabled.

I can test the VGA out later and let you know.

 

So even with MSI vBIOS you couldnt run PEG to internal screen?

 

You might already have killed your card.

Prema warned people from flashing Bios from other cards because it can easily destroy parts of the graphicscard / entire thing. Especially the VRAM vrms are extremely fragile and will basicially blow up fast if a little more voltage is added.

Also doing TDP mods without inspecting your VRMs capabilities first is also a very bad idea, Gecube MXM users can tell you stories how they blew up their cards.

 

If I remember well, to run in PEG mode you must add in bios the ID of current GPU. I got this issue with an old 970M gsync version, Svet modfied my laptop bios and then it booted with no 8 beeps on internal screen(m18x r2 60hz lcd).
But not the 1060N, because of EDP lack, so only Switchable Graphics on my 60hz

 

The card is working fine , it just doesn't work 100% with a different bios when trying to do PEG for internal display.

Like I have mentioned earlier ...

The card work 100% normal in PEG with a video output to a monitor

The card work 100% normal in SG Mode in a non EDP display.

We are trying to get it working 100% in PEG using internal edp display.

Like @Striker1234 mentioned , edp need to be enabled.

 

Please share your original vbios.

Thanks

 

Here

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9zh52p2a3lgbkq3/backup.rom?dl=0

 

could you test your system with 3DMark fire strike?

 

Stock Run

 

thanks!
is that a zotac card like this?

 

@sicily428 , yup. That's the card.

 

ok, thanks! I will add this upgrade

 

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12924584

 

what temperatures?

 

Um
Will this card fit and work in a MSI GT73VR with the GTX 1070 heatsink (since the core and RAM seem to be in the 'normal' places?)

 

Im not sure if this project is confirmed working or not yet unless I missed something.

 

They are really similar, so that could be possible. btw I'm not sure

MSI GTX1070


Zotac GTX1080

 

VRM out with the bottom chokes is switched. Top ones have gaps with VRM's between them. Are those even VRM's though?

I'm guessing the problem is going to be how to deal with the VRM's by the bottommost R36 choke. That's going to be a problem.

Brother @Mr. Fox and @Papusan may have an idea, so I don't make the magic smoke come out of an overpriced 1080 card. (assuming this would be much cheaper to buy than a MSI 1080 in "shifted core" GT73VR format (16l13 1080 will not fit the heatsinks at all for either 1070 or 1080 MSI GT73VR cancerbooks).

 

That extra nub there , depending if you have room, you might have to make room.

This project is confirmed working. You just have to choose between SG or PEG ( external monitor lol )

The only thing now is searching for a vbios for it run in internal display using PEG.

*** I did an incremental update on the CPU and RAM ... as you can see the score will keep going up on the benchmark , and i'm not using any OC yet ..

 

Im loving it for sure, but most I imagine would want PEG mode on the internal display. Still hopeful !

 

@Rengsey R. H. Jr.

This quote from from ebay Germany is still valid. I'm thinking about to give it a shot. But I have a couple of questions while reading through the whole thread.

• IIRC this mod was used on the M17X-R4 only? If yes, so nobody can say, if it would work on other machines like Clevo's as well?
• The heatsink has to be hardmodded, right? Is there perhaps a "How-to"-Guide which steps have to be taken to get it working? (Hard-Mods, Driver-Mods, etc.)
• Output to the internal display (PEG) is not possible (yet)?

I'm trying to catch up with this thread asap!

 

No heatsink mods needed, this card uses an almost standard form factor except from the hump at the top

 

Yo answer ypur quesrions ..

1) yes , this card is installed in a M17X-R4. I dont have a clevo to test it , so i cannot answer if it's compatible with Clevo laptop.

2)the heatsink needs to be dremeled ... I will take a picture and post it to show what part of the heatsink to be dremeled.

3)Output to internal display with a 120hz/edp is not possible , only external screen. You must have the 120hz/edp screen to enable PEG mode.

 

No way, this is not a standard form card. The phases are arranged way differently, I'm sure parts of the heatsink need to be dremeled/milled down to make sure you don't crush the components and make good contact with the core. Go look at a 980M and you'll see.

 

My former P570WM3 had a 120Hz/eDP Screen installed. Man, I wish I hadn't sold it....

Gesendet von meinem ONEPLUS A5010 mit Tapatalk

 

Yeah you really shouldn't have sold, P570WM is also a legend

 

49 Celsius .. hwinfo was spinning the fan at 4000 with a 120MM cooling fan below it. Stock run

 

Your score is lower than an overclocked GTX 1070 notebook.

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/12926435/3dm11/12344793

 

What is a stock score of a 1070 and What would be the score of an overclocked 1080 with extreme CPU then ?

 

We don't know until you try it unfortunately.

 

Well Notebook 1070's are basically 1070Ti's so its not surprising to see an overclocked 1070 notebook running tandem with a lower tdp 1080.

Plus we still need to resolve the issue with internal display, if we can get that far, then we can start tweaking for additional performance.

 

Graphicsscore of a proper OC'ed GTX 1080 should be around 32k - 34k.

Stock GTX 1070 is around 24 - 25k.

In contrast, stock GTX 1080 is around 28k-29K

 

Lol .... I'm see what I can do

 

Your cpu is not likely bottlenecking your 1080. Have you run OSD while playing games or running benches? You can look at your cpu utilization and see if it pegs out. If it does then it means your cpu cant keep up and is holding back your gpu. You can also configure OSD to display power useage or limit reasons. Lastly you can check graphs using afterburner and it will show you limit reasons. I'd bet its not running full clocks or if it is not for very long. The TDP is just nothing these laptops were expected to provide for.

 

Back testing on the r1 with a zotac 1080. No real progress so far but i did record a video of the power throttling during fs bench.

 

So is the power throttle coming from the PSU, Mothboard, MXM slot it self, or the heatsink?

 

I have a 330w PSU. The mxm slot is a part of the motherboard so I would consider it a single unit. The heatsink doesnt cause power throttle but if you look at the video the gpu never goes past 61c so heat is not the problem. Also the memory and the rest of the card are properly cooled as well. The r1 mother board seems to have an issue providing power to the card. But it will fully power a 115w 1070. The current vbios is set to 150w.

 

What if you clock down Cpu? Or put lower power target for graphics but not as low as 115w.

 

Makes no sense since the msi 1070 is at 150w iirc

 

You'll have to ask someone who owns a MSI 1070 in the R1, if you wait a few months you can get a answer from me

 

@loafer987 runs the MSI 1070 in his R1

 

I know for sure , the mxm slot is limiting the power to the 1080. If you look at the first page , the M17X-R4 with the gtx 1080 gives a higher score in FS

I will say MXM. I've seen it throttle ... the mxm slot is not giving enough power.

here is a Radeon PRO WX 7100 i ran just now in the M17X-R4 ..

3DMARK11



FireStrike



You can clearly see the the M17X-R4 is not holding any power back in the mxm slot.

 

The wx7100 runs at 130w iirc

You get a lesser score from the ranger? I feel as though you may have tested already but I can't recall it.

 

Yes , a few times ....

 

I checked where I thought I saw it, the hopefuls MXM 3.0b thread

tl;dr The Ranger scored -800 graphics scored compared to the R4.

I checked @Striker1234's thread when he got the zotac 1070 working in the R1, graphics score of 15.5k. Then loafer's MSI 1070 scored 16k and unless he flashed a different vBIOS with a different TDP then it should be 150w.

Maybe its not about total TDP but trying to pull more power out of a specific pin in the MXM slot?

 

Didn't Clevo's have an issue where specific voltages where wired to different pins than the "normal" MXM3.0B? Maybe something similar is trying to happen? Could it also be the card trying to turbo boost over 150W TDP?

 

This is a stock run in the ZBOX ... I don't think mobile gtx 1080 are made with the same specs.

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12931370

 

@Mr. Fox is a busy guy torturing his desktop these days but maybe he can give an opinion?

Its likely to hold no similarity since this is a GPU pulled from a zbox instead of another Clevo but none the less more opinions are better than none at all.