M17X-R4 with GTX 1080 GDDR5X 8GB

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12776087 @Mr. Fox
vs yours
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12931370

 

hmm wierd stuff, that the zotac 1080 gives such low performance, must be power issue for sure, or driver

 

zotac 1080 is nerfed, not the full tgp of the clevo 1080

 

that is not my benchmark

 

Just picked up a M17x R4.

Any thoughts in using one of those 5 heat pipe all copper GPU heatsinks? Seems a small investment for such a nice card.

Edit: sorry keep calling it M15x from bad habit of owning that one for nearly a decade.

 

Woops lol accidently broke the link, silly me, fixed it now

 

The temps aren't an issue as of right now, power throttling is. We're trying to see if we can fix it

 

The Clevo 1080 gets more than normal power delivery through the MXM slot as well as through an auxiliary power cable and dedicated power phases on the motherboard. By contrast, the MSI 1080 like the one that was in the 16L13/Tornado F5, only receives power through the MXM slot and it could never deliver the same level of performance as the Clevo 1080. Consequently, I would not expect to ever see the same level of performance from the ZBOX MXM 1080 for the same reason. At best, I think you might reasonably expect to see performance similar to the MSI 1080 used in the 16L13/Tornado F5.

 

I think that is a great example of what I posted above. Here are the same two runs in a side-by-side comparison. The P870DM-G MXM slot was modded to replicate the additional power delivery pins like the newer Clevos as well as the auxiliary power cable.

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/12776087/3dm11/12931370

 

As I said before, the Clevo GTX 1080 is the full fat TGP rated version, Zotac MXM 1080 is really a max Q variant

 

Good god. Any possibility to do such an addition in the M17x R4? Like a secondary board with 240W adapter input....

 

Performs worse than the Max Q though, is it not possible to increase power limit through OC on Pascal MXM cards??

 

Nope!

 

Sure, if you have hardware flasher or original signed vBIOS that has highter TGP values. Of course, if components on the board aren't rated for that power, you will fry things quickly. Ask @Eurocom Support and @woodzstack how their "Eurocom 1070" aka Gecube GTX 1070 were holding up with MSI 1070 vBIOS flashed

 

My msi 1070 was completely stock. I have never overclocked it. I was too worried about VRM temps. Your throttling could absolutely be VRM thermal throttling. its impossible to know but it works the same way as the newer intel x299 motherboards that cant handle the 18 core cpu. if you push the vrms past their limits or thermals then the CPU or GPU in this case, will throttle accordingly.
https://www.extremetech.com/computi...mperatures-disaster-limit-skylake-x-potential
Everyone overlooks the power components but they are fast becoming the bigger issue in the performance race.
I am also using the 330w psu (I have also tried my old '240w id chip modded' 330w with the same results)
15,7xx appears to be my usual GPU score range.
My cpu has been running at 4.0ghz since my first 980m.
@2CPU @Grant B Gibson
If anyone is on the fence about the 5 pipe heatsink, I would recommend it to everyone. Its has to be modded for most 1070s but its still worth every penny and its less modding than the OEM heatsinks by a long shot.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/11106128
Firestrike of what is likely the worst performing GTX 1080M, non oced
Edit: This is a incorrect run, memory is clocked to sh$t
Edit #2 Fixed
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/m17x-r4-with-gtx-1080-gddr5x-8gb.822707/
Firestrike of the Zotac 1080

 

Its not that the 5 pipe heatsink is bad, which it isn't, its the fact that thermals aren't an issue as of right now, power is. VRM's could likely be it, and that does still tie into power, which is definitely the firm limit as of now

 

Can you upload the vBios??

also:
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/14108705

my P157SM with GTX 1060 beat your GTX 1080 lol

 

But the FS Physics score is crippled vs. Cpu clock speed.

 

A really good suggestion. I'll get on it shortly.

The current vbios on my zotac 1070 is the msi vbios from the msi 1070. The stock tdp is 115w not 150w. You can mod it but it will not maintain the increased power. There is a board limitation somewhere either software level power restriction or components unable to physically provide more power to cards. This is a slightly overclocked zotac 1070 run for reference.

The 1080 maxq gives an average of 18700 graphics score. The zotac 1080 gives ~25000. The zotac 1080 roughly peeforms on par with a msi 1080 and short of a clevo 1080. This is not maxq by any means its just a lower tdp 1080 the architecture and clocks are mostly the same.

I would be very surprised if the ranger will support this card in its ultimate form by way of a modded bios. Still im hopeful to be able to get something figured out. Worst case scenario ill just use this perfectly fine 1080 in a tornado or try to get it running in the en1070k i have laying around.

 

Well it seems to have made no difference with all oc disabled and 3.0ghz. But considering the almost no difference using 30watts less total power it makes me hopeful that maybe this is a software level thing.

 

Are you using internal 120hz edp screen? And can you upload the bios pls.

 

No this is external.

 

LOL worse than the WX7100 running with Enduro, get programmer and edit the vBIOS, programmers are cheap on eBay and cheaper on Taobao/Aliexpress.

 

I've got one. I'm just waiting on some help with the vbios.

 

The only modder I can recall these days that might be available is Klem of Tech | Inferno. I dont want over sell his abilities though, I believe he can manipulate existing vBIOS, Im not sure if he can enable / disable functions that may not already be present in the vBIOS.

 

Prema is helping out but in his spare time. I'm in no hurry so I can wait. He's already sent me several vbios to test

 

Ah! Well good things come to those who wait, well so they say.

I will continue to hope for good news.

 

@Prema , If you can send some bios this way , i would appreciated too. I'm trying to get the Zotac gtx 1080 running internally in EDP. That is the last obstacle i have in the M17X-R4. once it's established , i can start tweaking the gtx 1080.

 

Bought a 1.8V adapter, hoping I can be of some use. Fervently following this thread.

 

@Rengsey R. H. Jr.
@EepoSaurus

Do you have psu adapter warning enabled in bios?

When the r4 was upgraded that member had issues delivering enough power to the msi 1070 until disabling this option in the sbios.

Might have been mentioned already but thought it might be worth looking into if it hasn't been explored already.

 

Don't need to since I use 330 watt psu.

 

So did he. The issues were alleviated after disabling it. He had the 330w AC adapter and still had issues until after disabling the option in sbios.

Power throttling error remained but performance was as expected.

 

The adapter warning is disabled in my bios and has been this whole time

 

Good to know, thanks for sharing.

Just wondering if it will have any effect on the r4.

 

Didn't someone here say that the Zotac 1080 doesn't have a 'standard' VRM/choke layout that the MSI 1070 does (besides that awful extended tab?).
So a heatsink modded for a 980 or 1060 for example would work on a MSI 1070 (if the card would fit), but would need further modification for the Zotac 1080. While the GPU is in the exact same physical location as a standard 1070, the VRM's are in strange places.

 

This is the zotac 1070.


This is the zotac 1080.


It is essentially the same card.

 

I just bought a new GTX 1070 Zotac, and is just like the 1080, with the TAB!

 

The other interesting bit is that unless I missed it (which is entirely possible of course) the MSI 1070 in the R4 never died on the user. However when Loafer installed his MSI 1070 it died due to lack of efficiency of heat displacement.

The heatsinks are relatively the same in both laptops too iirc.

 

Your zotac 1070 has a tab?

 

Its hard to say for certain. I had a zotac 1070 in my alienware 17r1 that i used for about 10 to 20 hours per week for 6 months but then i decided to mine ethereum for 2 weeks straight on it and it fried. It smoked and everything.

 

Sounds like its good enough for gaming but not good enough for mining. As Loafers MSI 1070 fried during gaming instead of something constant like F@H or mining.

 

BTW the internals of the 330W power adapters has changed. Wonder if the setting actually influencing the PSU.

 

I wouldnt know if they changed, but it IS known that there are many "fake" or "counterfeit" 330w AC adapters. Though those terms may be a bit strong, iirc Delta is the desired brand and there are others in the wild too.

But you are saying that the design specs changed?

 

No just the internal board layout has changed. Guessing related to how the input power plug used to be three small circles and now its the normal pc input cord type.

Edit: Oops thanks for noticing that typo, took off the extra 0.

 

I have the "normal" pc input cord type that you're referring to, but my P/N is missing the last digit in comparison to yours. No 0 at the end.

 

If your adapter doesn't have the green light, it's not an OEM one and they are rubbish.

 

Yes it has!

 

Pictures? Results?

 

Pics or you just pulling our legs ...