M17x lcd

Yea but the problem is they won't becuase they get these giant batch discounts from Samsung on these screens becuase LED LCD's are so big right now... it makes it cheaper so they can put out the system at a more competitive price

 

True, but considering I'm going to spend about 5k on this computer [in the next few days], it would've been nice to have LED LCD as an option from Alienware.

 

Oh no Joke... Syctus you already know how angry I was as well... and how much money I threw down on my system....

 

Yeah as long as they have the option then the pricing can remain competitive while still having the choice for people who dont care about $$$.

 

Now I will just try to show you the whole picture in case you haven't seen it yet.

What you're observing here isn't exactly new and is usually referred as Sammy (a.k.a. Samsung) who is a major display supplier and obviously could afford to make less than perfect displays while still being in about every notebook.

The issues with the uneven illumination aren't a result of the used type of backlighting but rather a poor design. And since I don't want to make a historical tour of Samsung "achievements" in this specific field, let's just focus on their latest "innovations".

As you may notice all of them have rather mediocre illumination, and of course all of them generated enough complains of uneven backlighting and/or deep bleeding on the forums. Also, it's worth mentioning that the 15.4" Dell Precision M4400 has an optional Samsung WUXGA dual-lamp display which suffers from the same issues.


Otherwise, the 17" WUXGA and WXGA+ dual-lamp displays have been around for some time now, Asus have used similar in the the G2 and G70, but they are AUO and have better illumination and brightness than new Samsung ones.

Anyway, I want to say that while every LCD manufacturer produces certain amount of displays that have similar issues, the problem with Samsung is that they have been consistently excelling in this specific area, which is way they have developed a not-so-nice but well-deserved "reputation". And of course, those issues, while not a big deal for everyone, aren't acceptable in high-end and more importantly expensive notebooks, but unfortunately are often seen exactly there (it reminds me of Sammy-inspired phenomenon observed on the previous generation of HP high-end workstation models - 8710w)

That's about it, and I usually avoid making generalizations about manufacturers but sometimes it's just unavoidable.

It's understandable considering that the displays on the Clevo M980NU (Samsung) and the Asus W90 (CMO) which they reviewed have lower brightness and contrast ratio.
http://www.notebookjournal.de/tests/review-notebook-alienware-m17x-945/4
http://www.notebookjournal.de/tests/review-cyber-system-qx18-nvidia-gtx280-sli-923/4
http://www.notebookjournal.de/tests/handson-review-asus-w90vp-831/4


***Those who have problems with the German language could use Google Transtale, it's good enough.

 

Nice Summary Dreamer..

I guess that is the biggest complaint that I have.. Not to rehash anything, is that for the price you pay for the m17x you would expect to get a good screen. I mean come on, you have to stare at it when using the notebook so if it is sub par the experience is going to blow... The only alternative is to use an external display which in some cases is good but geez I didn't buy a notebook to expect to be forced to use an external display....


Of all things, the LCD should be perfect....

Dell should really push back on Samsung to provide better lcds..

Oh well, I am hoping my replacement has a better one from the batch...

The rest of the notebook i am satisfied with and has been rock solid, well except the touch buttons and touch pad but not a deal breaker to me...

 

What's better quality wise 1400 or 1900 ?

 

Do you mean with mechanical aspects?

I like the 1900 due to the resolution it can provide.. 1400 would make everything too big for my liking..

They both seem to have good screens and then bad ones with bleed and lighting..

 

Aspects like bleeding, lighting consistency, color balance.

I'm ready to sacrifice resolution for quality.

So it's a coin toss for both resolutions? Never know what you get?

 

So far from what I have seen, Yes

 

with samsung its always a toss i hate to sy

 

dang i hope my screen works ok..
maybe the second wave of screens will work better??

 

I doubt they changed anything..

Just hope you are lucky and get a good screen.

 

have to give some credit where its due.. i got the sammy desktop screens i ordered from dell in today 23" ones and they are STUNNING. they have a tiny bit of bleed but they are just a great screen so much so the 23" lg i had on my desk is going to the office and one of these is coming home.. now their notebook screens is another story.. but this thing is just awesome for this price. for a tn panel i am very suprised ill say that.

 

zfactor, I have two desktop LCDs from them (samsung) and they are stunning..

I love them to death.. Very little bleed at all. Vivid colors and crisp. Very even lighting...

I was shocked to see that the one in the M17x was a samsung.. I had high expectations for them and when it was confirmed, i was so disappointed.

I even have their TVs and have always enjoyed them and get compliments all the time from guests how great it looks. I have even had people go buy one after they have seen mine.. So yea, it seems it is night and day difference from the notebook screen.

 

1000000000000% agreed no comparison

 

I guess they should change the "all powerful" moniker to "almost all powerful" as the LCD AW/DELL decided to use really ruins the M17x.

 

This is still a subjective matter. I completely disagree but it's just my opinion.

 

Yeah..so far it's been a minority of people complaining/got bad screens. I'm withholding any opinion until we see what some of the second gen owners with possible new LCD's have to say.

 

I agree, won't pass any judgment till I get the unit iteself.

But I wouldn't exactly say its second gen..not just yet at least

 

Yes, some people don't mind washed-out colors and non-uniform back-lighting, but 67 pages and counting on a "M17x LCD" thread suggests otherwise. I am just bummed that at best it's a mediocre to poor LCD. AW should have done much better when choosing the LCD--I doubt anyone would disagree. AW's marketing/hype doesn't hold up as usual.

 

That's a worthless argument. How many of the posts in those 67 pages are actually from owners with a bad screen and how many are from people trying to figure out if it's actually a dual-bulb screen or not. For that matter how many are just people whinning OMGZ M17X SUX NOW!!

 

im still thinking about buying it.. ill worry about the lcd later, im just waiting to see what my discount is for the sager... so it will depend on what end cost is.. but i love the way the m17x looks

 

All right then bring out the full blown testing and real analysis. I am not interested in bashing anything or anyone nor do I represent some nefarious force. Potential buyers want the full story. If the quality of this LCD wasn't an issue do you really think this thread would continue to build? I would argue that people don't whine when things work right, they may even present accolades, however when something that is expensive doesn't perform right you''ll definitely get an ear or text full.

 

You don't even have one to give your proper judgment on it. How fair is that to potential owners?

 

lol ive seen 4-5 users complain ... ROTFL .... like a baby troll

Some don't even have a bad LCD just in their head some do though ....

LCD's vary by nature one batch is amazing one batch is crap simple as that ...

And as far as marketing hype ...... I am just glad to see the <strike> June.../....july</strike> August release of the M98NU held up ...as well as its hybrid and OC'ing features ...errrr waitttt....O NVM they got a 3.0mp camera instead YAYAY

 

I think a lot of people don't realize TN screen aren't the greatest to begin with. Doesn't matter which laptop you get.

 

right ,which is why every aspect of this notebook is amazing ...?
battery
cooling
.....

and 4 people who complained about the screen ( abeit 1 will never be happy and he knows who he is )

 

Right! That was a bit of exaggeration wasn't it?

 

Nope not at all... everything on the Alienware M17x is top notch so far... the screen may not be LED but it still fantastic from what I hear

 

So does the Moo aprooove ?

 

He said his screen is great so far... it's just his fan is a dud so he can't play games sad day

 

You referring to me?

 

btw my replacement is in boxing stage.... *crosses fingers* that it will be better. I really hope so.

 

I ordered my m17x last weekend, so I am not trying to bash at all. Just wanted to point out that I was in microcenter today, and I can attest to the fact that the screen on the m17x is horrible. I saw it next to other laptops that had better screens. There was a lot of light bleed especially out of the bottom. It is a little disappointing, but hey it is what it is. I still love the machine and have no regrets. Just wanted to give some info on what i saw. It was very obvious that it was a cheap panel...

~BJ

 

My screen is absolutely fantastic... and I have so little bleed! it's great... really the reason you may have had a problem while at Microcenter is becuase of the Auto dimming feature (can make the laptop screen look pretty bad at times) , but that should be resolved soon

 

^ You wanna take Hi-Res pix of the screen and post 'em here?

 

Sure... I'll use my Cannon Rebel!

 

Excellento!

 

I'll get it done after I watch the rest of this Highlander episode! I'm addicted

 

^ Are you done watching? :lol:

 

Actually I just got back on my Power wen't out stupid guys hit a cable... been down for a few hours (things are slow working in spokane, WA LOL)

 

Pix ?

 

Yes LOL totally forgot... let me go get my camera... do you have any idea how I can turn my screen completely to black and then white? Due to the autodimming feature I can't simply use the brighntess up and down key

 

blank screensaver for totally black or go google dead pixel buddy that will let you turn it all diff solid colors..

 

Ok I just took some really quick pictures...

 

Thanks!! Bleeding doesn't look very bad to me...

P.S. You got 3 stuck pixels in your camera's CMOS Butter. 1 in bottom left and 2 in bottom right quadrants.

 

Those pictures look good, not much bleed. Would you say the camera is exaggerating the bleed?

 

my replacement system shipped.. should have tomorrow..

*crosses fingers for better screen*

 

Yeah i have 0 bleed . had some the first 3 days but its gone .