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    M17x lcd

    Discussion in 'Alienware 17 and M17x' started by Malignant, Jun 18, 2009.

  1. Mandrake

    Mandrake Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    Here you go.

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  2. zfactor

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    i cant find out now till monday arghhhhhhhhhhh they are closed on the weekend. mandrake was there any kind of cable going to the top of the screen at all except for the flat grey one... and was there only the one inverter at the bottom??? it will tell us for sure if there was actually two wires being fed to the top of the screen as well as the bottom of it
     
  3. zfactor

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    this is all that is in my book under that number but i cant be sure its correct without talking to them:

    LTN170CT11

    features

    size 17.0
    resolution WUXGA
    number of pixels 1,920 X 1,200
    active area (mm²) 367.2 x 229.5
    pixel pitch (mm) 0.191
    number of colors 262K
    contrast ratio (typ.) 600:1
    brightness (cd/m²) 200
    responsetime (ms at 25°C) 16
    viewing angle (U/D/L/R) 45/55/65/65
    interface LVDS(2ch)
    outline dimension (mm) 382.2 x 244.5 x 7.0
    weight (g) 735
    production Now
     
  4. Mandrake

    Mandrake Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    I only remember seeing one inverter, one cable. I should have taken more pics.

    [​IMG]
     
  5. zfactor

    zfactor Mastershake

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    yeah according to my info here im looking at it says only 200nits if that is correct no way its dual lamps it is a dell only part number from what i can find on it and it was made in 2008.
     
  6. The_Moo™

    The_Moo™ Here we go again.....

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    seems when i call to order today i will be demanding some supervisor
     
  7. zfactor

    zfactor Mastershake

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    in clausee (not sure i spelled it right) unboxing vid you can clearly see the lighting from the bottom but again i dont see any hint of a top bulb
     
  8. Mandrake

    Mandrake Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    With a black background and viewing the screen at an angle looking down at it you can see some light from the top. Although it's much more obvious from the bottom.
     
  9. Mandrake

    Mandrake Notebook Nobel Laureate NBR Reviewer

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    Looking at my wife's Sony FW which is supposed to be 2CFFL there is no "light bleed" from the top or bottom and overall the screen is brighter.
     
  10. zfactor

    zfactor Mastershake

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    you mean brighter than the m17x or ??? not all screens bleed like crazy but ill bet on a black backround in a darker room you will see some light from those bulbs
     
  11. Clauss

    Clauss Notebook Unboxer

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    Hola, so weve been tricked, most likely not dual bulb/lamp. Uncool, zfactor if you need to see a pic of my screen from any angle on offf let me know. Mine shows bleed from bottom. Luckily I'm not picky at all and I ignore it.
     
  12. kilthro

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    mine does that but I think it is wrap around lighting as zfactor pointed out.
     
  13. Phinagle

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    Could very well be a dual-bulb screen that's just too new to have proper Windows support.
     
  14. kilthro

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    this really upsets me that they would do something like that... How hard was it to pull the panel off and get the model number?
     
  15. kilthro

    kilthro Floating in Space

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    Well it is strange that there isnt a proper driver installed besides windows pnp... However, for dual lighting to work, wouldnt that be a physical trait with hardware and not software driven?
     
  16. sleey0

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    This has absolutely nothing to do with windows or software.

    The backlighting for an lcd is hardware and has nothing to do with drivers or windows support for it.
     
  17. Phinagle

    Phinagle Notebook Prophet

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    Mandrake did that and got the model number (should +rep him for it ;þ). We don't have any real info on that screen though.
     
  18. zfactor

    zfactor Mastershake

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    sleey0 is correct it has nothing whatsoever to do with windows. does anyone who has the m17x have either eye one or spyder etc they can actually measure the nit rating? if anyone is near me and would like to see what it really is ill calibrate the screen for them while checking it..i have 4 different tools to use for calibration. let me know if interested
     
  19. kilthro

    kilthro Floating in Space

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    Right that is what i am saying.. Dual bubs is hardware not software..


    I was just commenting that there isnt a driver for the lcd installed... I have specific ones installed for all of my lcds that I have ever own...
     
  20. zfactor

    zfactor Mastershake

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    almost all notebooks do not have drivers for the lcd panels. that is very very rare
     
  21. kilthro

    kilthro Floating in Space

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    So, what should I do... Demand a replacement? The one that I have in my eyes is unacceptable.. I am just worried that I will get a worse one and that will tick me off to no end...


    not to hyjack.. what is the software called that drives the touch controls up on the top right? I want to reinstall them to see if volume will work right..
     
  22. Clauss

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    Want me to run one of hose programs zfactor? eye one you said?
     
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    the sarasota area about 5-10 min south of it
     
  26. sleey0

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    damn..

    I'll be in that area but not until mid july :(
     
  27. zfactor

    zfactor Mastershake

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    let me know when you'll be around no problem... shoot me a pm before you head down
     
  28. Inkjammer

    Inkjammer Notebook Deity

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    Hrmm. So, if it's not a dual CCFL screen (one of the reasons I bought it) who do we contact? I don't have to have to send my laptop back for 3 or 4 weeks to get the screen replaced. I want Dell to send a tech with a proper LCD and fix it.
     
  29. zfactor

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    well we are not 100% yet. we will do more testing and see if its really 400nits as advertised this week
     
  30. Mandrake

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    yes brighter than my M17x.
     
  31. Mandrake

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    Most of the system has to be pulled apart. If your experienced in it, it's not hard.
     
  32. Mandrake

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    thanks! I've been answering a bunch of questions the last 2 days and 1 rep (thx rob). where's the love? ;)
     
  33. Phinagle

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    It still won't let me rep you or I would. I know the feeling though....seems I get more rep from cracking jokes then from when I answer questions or post news.
     
  34. adrian890

    adrian890 Notebook Evangelist

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    Marvie100 On a Mission

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    That looks like the same exact laptop in the same exact location, just two different people talking.
     
  36. Malignant

    Malignant Notebook Ninja

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    "All Powerful" eh? Since when does an "All Powerful" notebook have a crummy dim screen? Is this not 2009? How hard is it to pair a good notebook with a good screen? The screen is one of the most important aspects of a notebook because it interacts with one of our primary sensory organs for hours on end. I've wasted so much money trying to find a notebook with high end gpu along with an awesome display. I guess asus will get my money unless somehow this is rectified or we're proven wrong or something.
     
  37. kilthro

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    well that could be due to them not delivering on what they claim
     
  38. Malignant

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    I mean it even says in the specs pdf its dual ccfl! They thought no one would notice how dim the screen looked?
     
  39. zfactor

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    my friend gets his on tuesday looks like from the tracking number. i will run a calibration on it to see what the nit rating measures out at since he said he doesnt want me pulling it apart to look at the actual panel in case he wants to send it back or something.. lol he is a bit paranoid with these things
     
  40. julian-nold

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    :D you are so right :)

    But normaly we are funny enoght to feel still the love :p

    Greetings
    Julian
     
  41. Krane

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    You should never buy anything without knowing their return policy. However, any good manufacturer should give you some period of time to decide if you're satisfied with their product or not.

    Provided you don't modify the laptop in any way, you should be able to return it less any restocking fee. Just make sure you handle all the items with kid gloves, and don't damage any of the accessories or you could be changed for those as well.
     
  42. sleey0

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    Apparently you don't understand Dell's return policy :rolleyes:

    They have always stated they may charge a restock fee on items that aren't defective, but now they are enforcing it.

    I ordered a outlet SXPS 16 and I told them it got WAY too hot and the Dell logo was all beat up on the lid yet the item was not scratch and dent.

    He didn't care. The only way I got out of the restock fee was by showing him my order number for my M17x purchase.
     
  43. Krane

    Krane Notebook Prophet

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    Oh I understand restocking fees quite well. For the most part, they're subjective--and don't always apply!

    I've ordered electronics on may occasions and have never been changed a restocking fee, regardless of the policy. I should add however that I took meticulous care in unboxing and handling these items, and reboxed them in Monk style fashion.

    I guess technically they could have charged me, but appreciated my continued business more.
     
  44. ryujin

    ryujin 2B or not 2B

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    not sure of dell, but AW had a 30 day no questions asked policy.
    if outside the 30 days, then you were subject to the restock fee.
     
  45. ryujin

    ryujin 2B or not 2B

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    as taken from the dell site

    see here for the complete policy online.
     
  46. kilthro

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    anyone find out how to disable the auto contrast that the screen does?

    Forexample, have a some what dar back grount. open notepad.. then maximize it, it will get super bright and then when you close it, nothing on the screen is even near the same brightness level
     
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    I am just curious. I have mentioned the bleed and washed out colors quite a bit.. How is the viewing angles for all of you? The viewing angles really stink IMO... There is a small angle where it will look ok, outside of this, it is either too dark or to light... and I really havent found a perfect angle to have the screen to see the top and the bottom with the same level of darkness/brightness...

    Man I love everything about this notebook but the screen.. This just erks me to no end...

    Watching iron man on it right now and its ok but nothing to write home on.. and yes it is blue ray..

    Nothing compared to the sxps16 rgbled...

    And the response rate seems longer than 8ms.. really noticeable in movies... Maybe I am too picky.. maybe not.. just really bad screen...

    I hope I can get this replaced once they can locate me in their database/systems..
     
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    i would pay extra for rgb led.
     
  49. Quadzilla

    Quadzilla The eye is watching you

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    Maybe theres a way to get one from a M6400 and transplant it :) doubtful but for someone with cash to burn it would be a fun experiment .
     
  50. Mandrake

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    Unles your talking IPS, S-IPS, AFFS+ or something similar the viewing angles will always suffer some.
     
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