M17x r3 485m gpu

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lets keep this thread confrontation free, good work being done here lets not spoil it with personal attacks or inuendos ..... thx

 

yes but Dell manage to bypass it with the 460 - panel relationship, I wonder how, if you have time it might be interesting to see if the 460 works with none OEM driver, if so then this is not video driver related

 

Can we summarize what we think we know so far or is it too early yet?

 

what we need now is a methodical process of elimination, I think the conclusion will be the same though, Nvidia doesn't list the panel as 3D and Dell have found a way round this with the 460m, like I said it would be interesting to see if none Dell OEM driver install works with the 460 - that being the case then there is a subsystem being installed by Dell specific to the 460m and the LCD panel, if it doesn't work then there is something in the Dell OEM driver pack specific to 460m and LCD panel, either way the solution is either Nvidia adds the lcd panel or Dell adds driver work round for 485m 3D


I'm sure NVneptune needs a rest lol

 

Now comes the decision part. Get the 485m and have great graphics but no 3d (for now) or stick with the 460m and have good graphics but still have 3d.

 

I'm just wondering how helpfull Dell would be regarding this issue, I almost feel they should be obligated considering the money spent on this laptop, might be worth a try and be slightly pushy, yes they can say the GPU is not supported at this time but they may have a solution and offer it.


I wonder where the 3D devices are listed in nvidia drivers


for those that have 120hz panel what does it list as in device manager, mine says generic pnp monitor (dell xps)

 

My R3 3d 120hz monitor also comes up as generic pnp monitor.

 

in device manager monitor go to the details tab and select hardware id (or similar, it will give you more info on the display

 

Why should Dell give a rats as* about making drivers and BIOS support for 485M when they don`t feature it in any of their products?

 

Under hardware ids it says MONITOR\LGD02C5.

 

thats what i was thinking, but people said earlier that dell sales reps were hinting towards the release of the 485m soon.. it's possible they already have the solution, just have to ask the right person

 

Read the thread responses from page one till the end! Am sure you will be enlightened.

 

VBIOS------> Beep beep.....

 

Ditto! As of now why would a company provide support for a hardware its not selling....

Well those early 3D adopters who want to grab the 485m can at least do everything a normal card can do , right? So enjoy it. Its not like you guys got it for 3D as a priority.

By the way...what is the battery life LV Neptune?

So simply enjoy what you have got...it could have been worse..Well if the 3D for it never comes, so what just enjoy your super duper fabulous 120hz screen....

 

yes, that's was my point, they may already have a solution, no harm in asking - we are customers after all


and vad24, we have already explored/mentioned the vbios, you are adding nothing to this thread by mentioning it again with your little one liner. Chimeing in 17 pages later with "what he said" doesn't help

 

Haha....are you serious....you mean Dell is going to help you for the job of opening their machine and fitting in a GPU which as of now does not feature in their iteration of R3?

Are you for real? why would Dell encourage that? Why would Dell encourage more people to open up their laptops and void their warranty?

Good thinking georffxx....I can really sense how hard you want this to work but please apply some logic to your request based the world of business reality and also warranty laws. Unless Dell comes out officially to support this hardware, there is no way they will provide you a solution because that means they are encouraging this procedure.

Contributing? What is a vbios Georgxx ? There were so many experts in this thread and you claimed its been analysed. Kindly please furnish an explanation to your statement that its been ruled out completely.

When a laptop manufacture is able to decide which hardware they want to support and not using bios...why does it seem far fetched that there could be a vbios that has been customised by Dell or made for Dell.

Maybe someone should get a 460m card from another manufacturer and try adding it to the 3D r3...If it works then its not the card or the vbios..then it either the bios of R3 or the driver.....

Where else can Dell put a restriction or bypass or whatever you call it?

Dell would have manufactured a way to bypass? I am sure Nvidia must have facilitated the 460m to be compatible for the 3D performance of the inbuilt panel of R3.

Could there be an incompatibility between the emitter and the 485m card..? Is the emitter itself a product of its own that needs its own software? Does the emitter require a software to work..maybe its not been updated to work with 485m as of yet..

You are simply driving this 485m compatibility based on " IT MUST WORK". Get your head out of that and you may contribute by asking a more creative set of questions....

..I contribute to various other models too...and I dont need you or your flock of high end mightiness to qualify me as a person who contributes or not.

17 pages later you direction/contribution to this problem is back to the direction which was pointed to by me --------------> DELL. Common sense should prevail over tunnel vision.

 

Hey Guys,

So what I'm seeing here is you guys want the STOCK 3D screen to run in 3D mode with a 485m is that correct?

So I didn't happen to read the entire thread, so I apologize.

Can someone please give me the FULL PCI-ID's of the working 460's they have. Also the FULL PCI-ID of the 485m you are trying to use. And basically it just doesn't show with the 485m as the monitor as a 3D device i'm assuming yes? Does it work with an external monitor that IS 3d capable plugged in?

Also the full USBID of your emitter

thanks

 

Yeah i see where you are coming from but do you really think that any employee of Dell would give you the drivers etc for a product before they have announced it? I bet they are very strict about these things. "Yes we can help you. We have drivers ready for the announcement of 485M to the R3 in 2 months. But you can have it now". Doesn`t make sense

Maybe some skilled people like mythlogic can help you guys

 

Do any of you really think non-mgmt/eng at dell know anything about upcoming products/specs?

 

My thinking is that it depends on who you talk to. I mean it's the same with get a deal from sales: gotta wade through the crap to get what you want. Not every employee is the same

I agree, that they probably won't hand out whatever software fix they may (or may not) have, but talking to the right engineer could yield some new info. I mean there's a few posters in this thread that know exactly what's going on, without the actual hardware to try things themselves. Maybe they could place a few calls to Dell tech support each, just to see if they can come up with something useful

It also sounds like Myth may have a plan

And I feel like the sales people would have no reason to say there was a better gpu coming out, unless they were told that. I mean we all know that the technical knowledge of many of the sales people is equivalent to that of my mom's cat..

 

Battery life is about the same, crappy

I think about 1.5-2 hours without being plugged in.

 

I will do this for you later tonight. I do not have a DP->DVI adapter so I can not test it with my 3D monitors, I will run by Fry's and pick one up. I might have one in the AW box but I don't think it came with one.

 

90% of this post is pure nonsense, I'm saying no more than that as it would spoil this thread even further

please don't reply

 

good I think this will answer a few questions regarding the Stereoscopic control panel, specifically does there need to be a recognised 3D output device connected to enable the 3D options, that is something we don't know at this point, if so getting nvidia to add it may be a solution regardless of how Dell addresses this issue, I have posted on the nvidia forums already

 

S3D enables when DP is connected and works through the external monitor. The dropdown has 2 options, my external monitor and anaglyph 3d

 

that is good news, so 3D is working we just need a solution for it to work with the internal panel, great work there Mr LVNeptune one final step and we could have this solved.....................not sure how but there is a solution to this, I'm sure someone on these forums might have the answer or work around..................good work

 

Time to start guessing the compiler and reading assembly
(or wait for nvidia to add official support for this LCD panel)

 

No need to guess, a good disassembler will detect it just fine.

 

I am posting here guys to see if Nvidia can shed some light on this Alienware R3 3D laptop - NVIDIA Forums

lets not forget that Dell has overcome this, how they do that I'm not sure about, all we know at this point is it only works with the 460m which is hard to understand. Whatever code they have added to that driver is very specific to the 460m, I would love to know one last thing, does the Nvidia 270## driver work with the 460m, if it does then this would indicate some sort of bios workaround - nothing to do with nvidia or drivers

 

It's not just Dell, IIRC some other manufacturers have 3D laptops that are running the 460M as well, I think it's a CLEVO. I'll see if I can find it.


EDIT: LMFAO @ NVIDIA employee, he just made his company look like 'tards!

 

yeah his first reply .....................hacked lol

 

ahahaa Just epic the answer from nvidia xD

 

sumary of where we are are with this so far

485m works in the R3 and is supported by the BIOS
3D does not work with the internal panel regardless of driver

what we don't know

does 3D work with internal panel with Nvidia driver and 460m

this would tell us this is neither a nvidia problem or driver problem

 

right I'm off for a blowout on my CBRXX1100 Superblackbird, see if I can find vads24 and run over him before he does another "I told you so" after the fact lol


if I don't ever post back here then .......................................I've gone to see my maker

shouldn't joke like that actually

 

You two need to just ignore each other on the forums...I've been chatting on the internet long enough to just not even bother replying to stupid comments. He has his opinion, you have yours. Just let it go and back to R&D on the 485M

Kthx.

 

Disassemble s3d.dll
edit one of the panel id's to the r3 120hz panel
reassemble

profit?
Can maybe even hex edit it...haven't / won't look

TheWiz can probably do it if you ask him.

Just throwing out ideas at this point. It'd be nice to get your 3D working as you invested a few hundred dollars into this venture.

 

If anyone can think of an easy fan adjustment let me know, the fan is kinda getting annoying with the 485M bouncing between fast and slow...I would be happy at full blast if possible, I'll even order another fan (apparently the CLEVO fan *IS* different) and volt mod it or whatever

 

Have you tried the manual fan comtroloption that Mumak implemented in the latest builds of HWInfo32?

 

Is it on their homepage?


EDIT: Assuming I have the latest I can't figure out how to modify speed settings at all

EDIT 2: SWEET Figured it out! Now to tweak it a bit, I am so happy right now +1 rep

EDIT 3: One gripe that I can find is it does it for CPU and GPU, not GPU only...but meh, too much fan never hurt anybody

EDIT 4: GPU is idling at 47c and CPU is idling at 43c and when running RIFT GPU is ~62c and CPU jumps to around ~52c this is nuts! and according to HWINFO32 the CPU's are running at 31-32x multiplier not default 23x.

 

manual fan comtroloption that Mumak implemented in the latest builds of HWInfo32

Where can i found it?

 

where can i find it?

 

Monitoring->Sensor Status-> look right next to "Logging Start" there is a small icon that looks like a fan, click that then move the slider all the way up and hit "Manual"

 

Thanks it's a great function^^

 

Apparently there's a bug in it, it doesn't let you change the LCD brightness after you run it...You need to reboot if you want to change the brightness...Probably should submit this as a bug to Mumak

EDIT: PM'd him

 

Sorry wrote that out on my phone

 

nice one sounds like one step closer, is someone contacting TheWiz ?

 

sounds like one step closer because I made it seem easy, which it is not!

 

I am under no illusions mate, I've worked in electronics/IT all my working life, my understanding is certaintly not basic with any of it, lets hope someone has the answer to this.

 

you finish posting the info Myth asked for?